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Silver Crusnik 07-11-2010 10:14 PM

I'm afraid I couldn't read through every single page at the moment, but the numbers there are disparaging. Personally, I was thinking as I read along...and I wondered if maybe a whole artist alliance couldn't band together and do commissions for real life money in order to sponsor Mene. Kind of like an Art Auction, but not for gold. I know some of us are busy, and some of us dont' have the best art. But sometimes, it's not necessarily the quality so much as the thought that you need to consider. I think Mene's popular enough to get some sympathy points.

And another option would be perhaps creating an item. Maybe even a Fox Hat, or a Yumeh or Star Eater plushie in real life, then auctioning THAT off. It'd be limited edition, so production cost wouldn't be so huge. And I personally would LOVE a Star Eater Plushie.

I'm afraid I"m in the situation where I can't donate until I get a steady job, but I'd do it for Mene simply because I love the site, and I have donated previously. I don't want to see it flounder...

Akstar 07-11-2010 10:14 PM

O.o forgot about cafe press also.

sadrain 07-11-2010 10:14 PM

Oh, special, limited auctioned merchandise? I think that could be nice. O:

Siri 07-11-2010 10:15 PM

If they do the t-shirt idea, it'd be nice to boost activity with a user-run contest or something to decide the winning artwork. :yes:

The Wandering Poet 07-11-2010 10:15 PM

Yes you find those bars on non-profit sites... but... menewsha isn't IN a profit... so we would fit that category ne?

Lady Rosenbaum 07-11-2010 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Crusnik (Post 1767794243)
I'm afraid I couldn't read through every single page at the moment, but the numbers there are disparaging. Personally, I was thinking as I read along...and I wondered if maybe a whole artist alliance couldn't band together and do commissions for real life money in order to sponsor Mene. Kind of like an Art Auction, but not for gold. I know some of us are busy, and some of us dont' have the best art. But sometimes, it's not necessarily the quality so much as the thought that you need to consider. I think Mene's popular enough to get some sympathy points.

And another option would be perhaps creating an item. Maybe even a Fox Hat, or a Yumeh or Star Eater plushie in real life, then auctioning THAT off. It'd be limited edition, so production cost wouldn't be so huge. And I personally would LOVE a Star Eater Plushie.

I'm afraid I"m in the situation where I can't donate until I get a steady job, but I'd do it for Mene simply because I love the site, and I have donated previously. I don't want to see it flounder...

I would do art for real money but I can't draw myself out of a paper bag. Though I could do something with photography. Like the person who was commissioning me would give me a subject then I go out and take a picture of it .

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Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1767794253)
If they do the t-shirt idea, it'd be nice to boost activity with a user-run contest or something to decide the winning artwork. :yes:

Oh that would be awesome.

Insomniac 07-11-2010 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1767793907)
A cash shop can only help so much. It's not going to save the site alone. : /

Yup, basically my view too.

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Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1767793907)
I agree that you guys need to draw in a new demographic--but... you've been trying to do it for ages and it hasn't quite worked. Can you maybe expand and create more normal-looking outfits/hairstyles for our avatars? Since most people here are teenagers, try getting more Abercrombie & Fitch or Hollister-style clothes. I mean, when you release more steampunk and lolita sets, you're really not opening yourselves up to a new audience. I think a lot of normal items, like mp3 players, skateboards and swimsuits would be really helpful in getting more users who like more 'normal' things and want an avatar that represents themselves.

We haven't really been trying, and yes I agree, more 'normal' stuff would help a lot.

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Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1767793907)
Also, is there any way that you rearrange the main forum and make the site more appealing to people who aren't into anime? Right now, our main forum has a lot of fanfiction, role-playing, art shops, (and of those, most topics are anime/fantasy based). Almost everyone on this site is into anime and it's rather off-putting if you don't like it. I mean... even our artwork for the monthly CI's is anime-style, which isn't really too popular anymore. Same goes for our lovely pixel NPC's... they're all rather similar to generic anime characters (lol, even our NPC Magnus falls into the Japanese anime stereotype of black men, ie. the tough bodyguard-like character).

I feel we can still keep the anime style with a lot of things, but yeah, we're otherwise killing ourselves.

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And... don't take this the wrong way, but maybe the staff needs to back off the site for a little bit? Some people are arguing that the staff is ban-happy and/or that you guys help yourselves out (such as being more likely to get the rare NPC items). Seriously... there has been so much tension between the staff and various users since I first joined in 2007 and I still feel like it's very much there. If the admins could separate their own private accounts and their admin accounts--I feel like there would be far less personal attacks and less problems overall. I suppose it seems like I'm going on a tangent here--but it's very off-putting and many good users quit when someone gets banned or if a fight breaks out and is handled the wrong way (i.e. in public on our forums).

I've been on their asses about this for some time. The other week they were quite literally ordered to do nothing. Way ahead of you on trying to fix this.

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Finally, activity is maybe the biggest problem on the site. Everyone is more active during events and when people obsess over the site, they're probably more likely to donate (I don't know if this is true, but it makes sense to me). If someone cares a lot about the site and is really into it, they'll be questing more actively than if the site has been dead for a month and they haven't been interested in it at all. Sometimes we go from month to month without even a single announcement. Seriously... that's just boring. I think we need to get some staff-run mini-events and contests... they're not hard to run and won't cost anything. You just need to put forth the time and effort to run them.

To be honest donations don't increase in event months 99% of the time, except halloween.

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Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1767793907)
I know you guys have done a lot of work behind the scenes (we did just get a new game), but I think your priority should run with more community-based mini-events and forum activity boosters. It's great that there's a new game, but it seems like user reactions were a bit mixed and even if someone does play the game, it doesn't encourage any forum activity. If anything, our arcade games have helped make our site less active because now most users earn their gold without contributing to the site's discussions.

Already on this, more of that staff stuff.

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Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1767793907)
So... yes, you need to evolve. But as the site is now, you're definitely not going to be able to attract a new audience. I mean... don't even waste money advertising right now. Even if someone outside the anime crowd would be interested in our site after seeing an ad somewhere else, they'd lose interest after exploring here for a little bit. If you want to cater to a new audience, I think you need to make some fundamental changes to the site itself and raise it's activity levels. Only then can you focus on advertising/attracting new members.

The problem is alienating the existing users by changing things too quickly as users don't understand why a change is necessary. That was a large point of making this thread.

AkashaHeartilly 07-11-2010 10:18 PM

Seriously, build up with them and then add to doing original hats and etc. later.
Would be nice to see some of the items being sold.

Does anyone around here live around Maryland? Otakon is coming up soon, wouldn't be bad to get some people who are already going, possibly provide them with a fliaer that can be printed up, and get handed out there. I do suggest, make no mention of Gaia on it. The facebook ad for that did, put me way off for it, not exactly way to get new users.

Insomniac 07-11-2010 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by anime_scholar (Post 1767794034)
Thanks so much for this information. I hope the downward trend is simply a side effect of the overall recession, and will be turning around slowly as things recover.

I had a random idea last night that people should feel free to shoot down:

What if CIs continued being released in the months after their original month, but at a constantly increasing price? Say $5 for last month's CI, which isn't a huge amount to swing, but still more, making it accessible to people who missed out but still give preference to those who were around during its release. And a CI from, say, a year ago might cost $100, which would mean someone who really wanted to help the site could do so, and get a rare item in exchange.

I'd be curious to hear Inso's thoughts on this. I can understand if people are passionately in love with the idea that CIs are a status symbol of how long you've been around more than how much cash you've given to the site or how much you've quested for site currency.

Here's another idea that just came to me as I was sitting here: why not put a bar on the front page with the costs and how much has been covered this month? A lot of sites do that, and I personally find myself a little more impelled to donate when I know that a site means money.

Sadly sales of CI's taper off a lot more than you'd expect. Honestly there wouldn't be enough sales from doing this :(

Lady Rosenbaum 07-11-2010 10:19 PM

I know there is a one day anime con in Bowling Green... just dont' know when. There is also one in Dearborn... hm... *curses not having her own computer*

Silver Crusnik 07-11-2010 10:20 PM

@Lady Rosenbaum: Well at the same time, getting an ENORMOUS alliance of artists would be a make up for anyone lacking in artistic proficiency. Spearheading it with genuinely good artists like Omi would really help, but again it would be the choice of such amazing artists to help.

@Akasha: !!!!! You're going to Otakon?? I'm planning to go too~ If I could just make anything Menewsha related, I really would. I like crafty stuff like hats. Is why I mentioned it. XD

Brb, my bf's about to head to work

Lady Rosenbaum 07-11-2010 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Crusnik (Post 1767794275)
@Lady Rosenbaum: Well at the same time, getting an ENORMOUS alliance of artists would be a make up for anyone lacking in artistic proficiency. Spearheading it with genuinely good artists like Omi would really help, but again it would be the choice of such amazing artists to help.

@Akasha: !!!!! You're going to Otakon?? I'm planning to go too~ If I could just make anything Menewsha related, I really would. I like crafty stuff like hats. Is why I mentioned it. XD

Brb, my bf's about to head to work

I would help if I could do photography.

Kaema 07-11-2010 10:21 PM

I have an idea...not sure if it would work, but here it is!
What if Mene sold extra things, like things to put in your profile, or cool forum post borders? It wouldn't be a membership, but it wouldn't be creating new avatar items either. They could be different things that would appeal to different people. Some people might like art more, and would want a pretty border for their forum posts.
I hope you all get what I'm mean... :sweat:

p.s. I hope this hasn't already been suggested before. I read through a lot of pages, but not all of them.

AkashaHeartilly 07-11-2010 10:22 PM

Sadly, I am not going to Otakon, I live on the west coast, and I usually just make it to Fanime, since it's where i live. I also try making it out to WonderCon.

But as said, with con season in full swing, why not make a flier for the site, maybe staff can make it, post an announcement, users can print it up, get together and hand it out at the con. Hell, ComiCon is coming up and would be a great place to advertise.

sadrain 07-11-2010 10:23 PM

Many people were talking about Menewsha Merchandise, things that some of the kids would be allowed to buy because it is real unlike pixels, some that could auctioned off. Is there any chance that putting the money in these things would pay off eventually? Maybe there could be a chance to open such shop after Mene has been put a little bit on feet again?
And ads on the site? Would that actually help any? Since I didn't see anyone minding them, unless they were with sound and viruse-d.

-looks at clock- Man. I really don;t want to go, but I think I will have to soon. I will try to read up what was said here when I return tomorrow.

Insomniac 07-11-2010 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1767794157)
What options are on the table to get new users anyway?
I'd suggest some things, but I don't want to waste the staff's time with something that isn't realistic.

Does the staff want to simply expand the forums or introduce something big like a pet system to get more gamers?
I do think we need something to draw in the gamer crowd... let's face it, we're just a girly dress-up site for now. xD

There are lots of options on the table, feel free to suggest.

FWIW girly dress up sites are actually really popular Google Trends: stardoll, gaiaonline

Silver Crusnik 07-11-2010 10:25 PM

Photography, hmm...well I don't know if you could make that feasible and relevant to Mene, so to speak...

The Wandering Poet 07-11-2010 10:26 PM

*looks at stardoll* o.o huh... those are popular?

Lady Rosenbaum 07-11-2010 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Crusnik (Post 1767794294)
Photography, hmm...well I don't know if you could make that feasible and relevant to Mene, so to speak...

It was a thought of something I could do since I don't draw.

Insomniac 07-11-2010 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AkashaHeartilly (Post 1767794226)
Doing mechandise through cafe press cost nothing, and can be set-up through Insomniac, putting up the ads for it on the site would a be a way to draw some revenue.

They also cost $25 or so per shirt and don't really give much back.

AkashaHeartilly 07-11-2010 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Insomniac (Post 1767794306)
They also cost $25 or so per shirt and don't really give much back.

Hmm, I know my roommate has made some money on there, and didn't cost her any money to set things up.
It's a slow start, I also know the owner of Varus and I think even Celainia go through there too

zazabar 07-11-2010 10:31 PM

Meh, I know shirt manufacturers, and if you order 50+ at a time, it doesn't cost nearly as much as it would if you went through cafepress or something.

Siri 07-11-2010 10:34 PM

@Inso: I had no idea what stardoll was until I googled it, but I think it's popular because it's all mainstream stuff rather than anime. So yes, I think you need to whip out some abercrombie and express inspired clothes for our next commons update. Giant sunglasses would be so easy to make too. :D

Can you invest at all in some group games? I'm not talking about gaia online's stupid car rallys, but group games are more fun because they're interactive in real time. What about a pictionary game with a chat on the side? We've got a lot of artists here and it'd be a great way to attract new members. The most popular pictionary site for the last couple of years, isketch, has lost so many members because of random bannings and people have been looking for a replacement. Trust me, I signed up for a ton of crappy sites just so that I could play online pictionary--I'm sure that others would do that same. (My entire neighborhood is banned from isketch for some reason, so I'm sure that others have the same problem as me).

Also, any chance in expanding to pets? I know we probably don't want neopets or breedable pets, but what about just normal pets? I don't think any other avatar site has normal dog and cat breeds. The reason that I mention this is because a lot of my friends (and myself) are pre-vet students and they waste so much time playing farmville. They play it all day just because 'it has animals in it'.

I know both of those options would be huge investments--definitely more than this site can afford right now. But in the long run, I think they could bring in more users of a different demographic (and that's what you're looking for, right?).

The Wandering Poet 07-11-2010 10:38 PM

@ Zaz - then where would you recommend if not cafepress?

Kaema 07-11-2010 10:39 PM

Siri: Those are all really good ideas! I think that Mene will get a bigger "audience" if things like that are added. Things like animals and clothes that aren't too fantastical or anime-inspired. :yes: (Not that I don't like those! :lol:)


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