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Silenia 05-01-2010 07:02 PM

Mageling, the matter is not that the CIs are late, for that is understandable, but the complete lack of communication from staff about this matter. While wish04 may be the only person that can make the items, it does not mean that no one else on staff is capable to post a short message to let us know that the CIs are delayed.

That is what this thread is about, if I may shorten it down a lot.

Bartuc 05-01-2010 07:09 PM

God. Why didn't I pay a little more attention last night. I wouldn't have bothered to respond to this thread owner. However, since I have.

Where is my falsified claim there Azazel? All you are doing is bitching and complaining an item is late. You even went to go edit your post to show off just how late this item is. You do not care for their well being or personal life. If you do then all you are doing here is creating a disturbance in the water. Every single little nitch you do not like you come and complain about.

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Also, as for only caring for the items that come out? Try again. What I was concerned about was users, like myself, not being able to fulfill their obligations. Also, if you were talking about caring about the items for their gold value, I'll touch on that below. I donate more than I sell.
If you can't fulfill them because the site can't provide. Then no one can fulfill. What is the point in bitching about something to try to get it rushed? I also do not care what do you with your stuff. Donate, give it away, destroy it, sell it. Who cares.

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I understand you backing the pixelist where you think she was wronged. That's all fine and good, but don't attempt to insult me be calling me some old-hungry member. I give away more than anything. This month I did hold an auction for one set but I am also giving another set to a friend for her birthday, and giving a set to a friend if she decides the items are to her liking. Stop making false assumptions and accusations.
Insult you? Shit, I would never sit there and call you something you are not. You took something way to personal that was a general statement. And please, do not flaunt what you 'give-away' cause I really do not care and I am not impressed.

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Again let me ask you where you got your information. Does this make as little sense to you as it does to me? Flaunt their charities and greed for items? I'm not sure those two things even begin to coincide. Also, if you are accusing me of either, check your story. Like I've said once I am donating more CIs than I am selling, and I don't own a charity. All of my donating is done behind the curtain, as there is no reason to flaunt it. Donating isn't something you do to get glory, it's something you do to help a friend or fellow user. You have a seriously misguided view on what donations or friendship is if you think any less.

Saying they deserve no sleep? Again, are you kidding me? Please quote anything, anything at all that I have said that's gives that statement validity. That was a personal jab with absolutely no regard for fact. Please stick to saying things you can actually back.
Actually, if you know anything about situations on this site. There are people who have gone and flaunted off how much they gave away, but would turn right around almost indirectly beg for a cheap deal on items. I use to see it a lot in the exchange itself.

Okay, as every single one of your little responses just spent anywhere from 35-50% of each paragraph dedicated to this topic. I will cover it. I do not care what you donate to people. I could seriously give a rats ass. You do not impress me. Go open a charity up. Go be like some other people and frolick around menewsha throwing flowers and candy. All in an attempt to make people like you. You sitting here constantly throwing out that "Oh I donate more then I keep" multiple times is annoying. Congrats! You have donated 100k in items to people over the last 4 years! Most of which you haven't been to active during.

Also, please do not tell me what a donation is. 'Cause, I doubt that you truly even know what it is as you have continued to point out what you do with the items you contribute for.

Quote anything? Can I just refer you to your first post where you started your new thing to complain about? That all in its own is just a kick in the ovaries to the Assistant Administrators and Pixelist.

Silenia
I want you to go pixelist application sites. Go find 10 high quality pixelists and provide them for the AAs. Then let the AAs determine if they can do a good enough job. Keep up with doing Menewsha, work, and real life. There is alot that gets juggled. They are constantly trying to hire more pixelists but that is a chore in its own.

Silenia 05-01-2010 07:26 PM

Again, Tijdon, my feedback was not about the CIs BEING DELAYED.
In fact I said, several times, that this is understandable, seeing the amount of work and stress wish04 has.
It was about the lack of communication from Staff in general.
Unless somehow pixelists are not only the people responsible for Menewsha's lovely items, but also the only staffmembers available/able/allowed to send out a short notice about something happening on the site that has to do with said items, I do not see what getting more pixelists has to do with my suggestion. I may miss something here though. If that is so, feel free to let me know.

Anyway, back to what I want to say: I asked if there was any possibility that if the CIs were delayed, some staffmember - whether moderator, trial moderator, AA, pixelist, administrator or anyone else that is part of Mene staff - could possibly send out a short message that this is the case. This was, from my part, an honest, open question. A suggestion. I did not say that the CIs should be there at midnight exactly. I did not blame the pixelist in any way.

Now, unless I am wrong, Menewsha has many staff members capable of posting a short notice about the delay. A three-word post would work just fine. To post a short message there is no need for more pixelists, unless I miss the link between a notice and a pixelist here, and as such your message makes little sense, or at least, to me. I might be reading or understanding it wrong. If that is the case, feel free to point out what I missed or misunderstood and I'm willing to reply to that.

Lilith W 05-01-2010 07:39 PM

I have to admit I was a little upset when I got on and the CIs hadn't been released but it isn't like I can't deal.
I just like to wake up and see the shiney new pretty things. But when it actually comes out doesn't mean much to me since we'll all get them at the same time.
A message would be nice since I have been clicking to see if their out a lot this morning but still not a huge deal.

I would also like to say I really appreciate all staff right now since this is finals time in school and I know how hard that can be.
Shoot I know some years I couldn't even get online for the entire week of finals. So the fact that this site doesn't die is amazing to me.
I do realize that not everyone is in school but those not in school have jobs and or children/family and that can be an ordeal all alone.
I can't even imagine having school/finals, a job, and working on here. I'd end up in a hole.

Bartuc 05-01-2010 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Silenia (Post 1767167705)
Again, Tijdon, my feedback was not about the CIs BEING DELAYED.
In fact I said, several times, that this is understandable, seeing the amount of work and stress wish04 has.
It was about the lack of communication from Staff in general.
Unless somehow pixelists are not only the people responsible for Menewsha's lovely items, but also the only staffmembers available/able/allowed to send out a short notice about something happening on the site that has to do with said items, I do not see what getting more pixelists has to do with my suggestion. I may miss something here though. If that is so, feel free to let me know.

Anyway, back to what I want to say: I asked if there was any possibility that if the CIs were delayed, some staffmember - whether moderator, trial moderator, AA, pixelist, administrator or anyone else that is part of Mene staff - could possibly send out a short message that this is the case. This was, from my part, an honest, open question. A suggestion. I did not say that the CIs should be there at midnight exactly. I did not blame the pixelist in any way.

Now, unless I am wrong, Menewsha has many staff members capable of posting a short notice about the delay. A three-word post would work just fine. To post a short message there is no need for more pixelists, unless I miss the link between a notice and a pixelist here, and as such your message makes little sense, or at least, to me. I might be reading or understanding it wrong. If that is the case, feel free to point out what I missed or misunderstood and I'm willing to reply to that.

I was responding to your response to me. Pay attention. You mentioned hiring more pixelists.

I understand that all you want is an apology from the staff because the did not provide to your needs and wants. I understand that. However, this is being turned into something different and all it will do is create a backlash. This kind of feedback, especially with how the first post is set up. Which, I do also dare to say your post following is just creating a negative attitude and is probably going to push away more members then it will help.

Oh and um. Can you by any chance tell me what is going on in the staff room? Really you can't? Wow.. I would have thought with the way you are almost demanding an apology you knew what was going on there. Damn, my bad.

Zweres 05-01-2010 08:03 PM

You don’t need a message to know that the contribution items will be out as soon as possible.

Honestly, if they CI’s weren’t up at normal time, what other reason could it be? I think the “complete lack of communication” that Silenia mentioned is way exaggerated and it’s a little ridiculous and silly, in my opinion. Especially when you aren’t even remotely aware of process in the first place. Furthermore, there’s already news that there will be an announcement if their not out in 24 hours.

Again, the “complete lack of communication” is exaggerated. When you already know that there’s going to be an announcement if their not out within 24 hours, and if you don’t understand the process in the first place, then I think there is some type of communication.

Edit - Sorry, didn't mean to come off so strong.

Naoto-chan22 05-01-2010 08:09 PM

Okay so basically Tijdon, Sil,and Azazel are in a catch 22?
you all are saying the same thing over and over again, just using different words and if you just keep doing that we are never going to come to a conclusion so lets just agree to disagree I don't want some user to have some bad reps with the Staff and Tijdon is doing a good job defending the Staff, and yes Sil it would be nice if we got a notice or if they played it off like the do event Bugs and say someone(NPC) stole the May CI's from the warehouse ^_^

Silenia 05-01-2010 08:17 PM

Perhaps you should pay attention. YOU were the one that said the site does not have the funds to do so, at which I replied with
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I do not say that if the site does not have the funds for it, or has too little income to make it worth their time, they should pay for (more) pixelists. Neither do I say that I want the site to cater to me.
So, I do NOT say that if there are NOT ENOUGH FUNDS, there should be more pixelists.

In other words: I DO say that if there aren't enough funds, there should probably NOT be more pixelists hired.

May I ask where you gathered the information that I wanted an apology? I came here to give feedback and a suggestion. Oh, sorry. I guess I missed the message that feedback should only be given if it's considered appropriate by staff beforehand.
Or perhaps I was in the wrong place to give feedback? Hm, strange, the forum does say 'Site Feedback'. Oh well, I guess I need to re-check my dictionary to see if 'feedback' has suddenly become equal to 'claiming everything is perfect'.

Zweres: If the CIs were not up at the normal time, there could be a problem with the pixelist, with the coding from the site, the images might have been accidentally deleted, the person supposed to release them forgot to do so... want me to go on?
At the time this thread was made, there was ZERO communication about this subject, despite the fact that I have seen more than one staffmember online.

If you read back on the previous page, you might just find out that the post in which jurupamae explained that to us was made after I used the term 'complete lack of communication' for the first time.

Currently, yes, we have an answer to that part. However, does that mean that simply because that answer had been given, I should not reply to people all but outright claiming I am bitching, greedy, flaunting with my charity, etc? Especially considering how I replied to that certain post of Tijdon before I saw juru's post, which again you can find - Juru posted while I was typing my reply, so until I posted, I did not have as much as a hunch she had posted.

After she posted, I tried to reply to her asap. She replied. There were some assumptions made with which I did not agree. Does the fact that my question has been answered mean I should let people think that I do this because 'I don't want to look bad to my buyers and friends'? Makes me wonder what kind of friends it would be, blaming me for not trading them items that do not exist yet.

After my reply, I did not post anymore, until Mageling's post, to which I replied very shortly, only to explain that what they thought to be the matter at hand was at least not the matter I had been talking about. If I want to explain what I was talking about, it is only logical I try to use the same terms as before, isn't it?

After that I left the thread.

However, Tijdon replied specifically to me. It would be rude to ignore him, I believe.

Naoto-chan22 05-01-2010 08:36 PM

Yes that would be very rude of you Sil and I didn't mean to sound that I was b*tching you out just so you know

Silenia 05-01-2010 08:41 PM

I had in fact missed your post, because I was in the advanced reply window which does not have live post.
And I know you weren't.

Believe me, for me the discussion on the subject is over. As long as people keep directing questions at me, or keep claiming to know something which is so far from the truth I almost fall from my chair laughing, I can hardly turn my back and walk away, can I?

On a side note, Zaza is to a party. He had no time to post it here.

Naoto-chan22 05-01-2010 08:52 PM

oh is Azaey showing off his Beer pong skills??(yes I just given Azazel a nickname when I have talked to him maybe once or twice....:lol:)

No I don't think you could walk away from question's directed to you not at all,that would make you look way you aren't responding because it is true

Bartuc 05-01-2010 08:55 PM

Ah. My bad. I went back and read that. I read that one line wrong >>; Sorry on that portion concerning hiring pixelists.

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Now, unless I am wrong, Menewsha has many staff members capable of posting a short notice about the delay. A three-word post would work just fine.
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Anyway, back to what I want to say: I asked if there was any possibility that if the CIs were delayed, some staffmember - whether moderator, trial moderator, AA, pixelist, administrator or anyone else that is part of Mene staff - could possibly send out a short message that this is the case. This was, from my part, an honest, open question. A suggestion. I did not say that the CIs should be there at midnight exactly. I did not blame the pixelist in any way.
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With a set time and a message that would be sent out when it becomes clear the delay will take more than half an hour or even an hour, it becomes much clearer to everyone donating to the site what they can expect, as well as to those buying items from the suppliers. If I, as a supplier, know what’s up, I can send my buyers a message ahead of time so that they too know what they're up to.
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I like seeing Menewsha as a reliable, responsible site, but having to wait so long for even as much as a notice makes me worried, because I am uncertain if I can make my deadlines and get the trades done in time.
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I must admit that I agree with what Azazel wrote.
This one is put here to bring also up that you agree with him. Azazel also wants an apology posted.

Anyways, all of those you mention a heads up. You mention 'reliability' and how you have to let your customers know. Now, if you think about it. No one is getting these CIs. So, why post up a notice/apology for them being delayed.

Half of this isn't feedback. This was straight up bitching after not being notified or apologized to when the CIs were a bit late. I mean come on. Are your customers really going to go somewhere else if they do not get the items right away? No. I did plenty of supplying and not a single one of my customers use to go away when I was a couple days behind. The exaggeration in this whole thing is retarded. I mean seriously you have been doing this awhile. We both know that customers are not going to go away. You should also know you do not need a time-line to tell your customers they will be delayed. So, why would mene want to put up a notice for them being delayed if they don't have a timeline themselves?

Naoto
No. If someone doesn't respond I figure they pretty much left the thread. Responding and ignoring something normally is what puts out the idea they do not have a response to that particular section of the post.

BellyButton 05-01-2010 08:55 PM

Hi guys,

Thanks for the feedback/concern over the lack of official communication regarding CI delays.

I am going to go ahead and close this thread now, as the relevant points have been restated several times and the remaining discussion has become off-topic. :)

Naoto-chan22 05-01-2010 08:56 PM

Belly, I'm down with that thank you ^_^

Mama Juru 05-01-2010 09:16 PM

One other thing to mention before this is closed completely....

If you have an issue with a staff member or have suggestions/feedback, do not ask for their MSN screen names or try to circumvent the processes already in place.


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