well yeah i guess tht makes sense but u kinda get some respect if u r the moderator rite? and thts pretty much the only upside 2 being a moderator in the first place. :P

Originally Posted by ii-AznGurlDream-ii

well yeah i guess tht makes sense but u kinda get some respect if u r the moderator rite? and thts pretty much the only upside 2 being a moderator in the first place. :P

No, it's not. The upside of being a moderator is knowing that you are helping out a site you enjoy. You have the responsibility of making sure people follow the rules. That's the upside. If you want to be a moderator just for the respect, you shouldn't be one.

Exactly so if you appointed a few new mods then really i do not see a down side in any of this. And really no one is forcing anyone to be a mod so if they do not want the resposibility then really they should not have accepted the job then. All in all I see no probloem with giving gold for blog posts. But ofcourse some people will fight and fight that the gold system is fine but really in my oppioin it is not. And I have read tons of forums about more gold in menewsha, and if obbvisouly I am not the only one then really there has to be a flaw somewhere. Is that not the point of forums? To find problems that are affecting the members of menewsha? I am just stating that almost every forum like tons of people come and state tons of reasons not for this and not for that. What ever happened to the customer is always right? I think that fits smashingly into this scene. So not only do Ithing that blogs should be rewarded, i think the game gold earning limit should be higher. I know that yes technically there is no limit on gold you can earn a day, But posting honestly does not reward that much. Really like 20 gold? 30 max? Not really that much at all. So really me as the cunsumer, my thoughts should be taken into consideration. Unless the customer is wrong this time. If that is how menewsha would like to treat their members.

@ monstahh um excuse me but kittykondos was trying to suggest things that might acutually IMPROVE the website but if you want to be rude about DONT COMMENT!!!! @kittykondos i totally agree with you :)

Okay, if the customer is always right, then by your logic since I've been here about 2 years longer than you and have, presumably, spent more money here than you, I'm more of a "customer" and thus more "right" again, using your logic.

The gold system is fine. Moreover, the blog system is ostensibly useless right now. I fail to see why one would even use it when there are so many feature-rich dedicated alternatives out there. However, were I inclined to use it, I would be far less inclined to do so if I actually had to follow the site rules in order to use it simply because some "customers" don't want to do anything on this site that doesn't earn them gold in the process. That's not to mention the logistical impossibility of moderating blogs to make sure there wasn't gold abuse. Simply "appointing a few more mods" wouldn't solve it, particularly since you need a particular caliber of member to appoint as a mod, and that type of member is getting thinner and thinner on the ground these days.

As an aside, anyone who has ever said "the customer is always right" in a serious capacity has clearly never actually worked with customers for any amount of time.

Originally Posted by kittykondos

Exactly so if you appointed a few new mods then really i do not see a down side in any of this. And really no one is forcing anyone to be a mod so if they do not want the resposibility then really they should not have accepted the job then. All in all I see no probloem with giving gold for blog posts. But ofcourse some people will fight and fight that the gold system is fine but really in my oppioin it is not. And I have read tons of forums about more gold in menewsha, and if obbvisouly I am not the only one then really there has to be a flaw somewhere. Is that not the point of forums? To find problems that are affecting the members of menewsha? I am just stating that almost every forum like tons of people come and state tons of reasons not for this and not for that. What ever happened to the customer is always right? I think that fits smashingly into this scene. So not only do Ithing that blogs should be rewarded, i think the game gold earning limit should be higher. I know that yes technically there is no limit on gold you can earn a day, But posting honestly does not reward that much. Really like 20 gold? 30 max? Not really that much at all. So really me as the cunsumer, my thoughts should be taken into consideration. Unless the customer is wrong this time. If that is how menewsha would like to treat their members.

You have an extremely misguided view on the matter.

The consumer/customer is not always right. We're not in Walmart, we're not in a grocery store. Why implement something that would hurt Menewsha?


They can't just appoint new moderators. It's on a case by case basis. Someone has to fit the role. They can't just pick a bunch of people, test them, and weasel out a good moderator from it. It's a lot more complicated than that.

And how would they moderate the blogs? Would you want a moderator screening every single blog? I could post tons and tons of blogs full of spam until I got caught, if I did at all. I'd do it a mule, no one would check my mule of course.

Posting is the main source of gold, always should be always will be. Menewsha is a forum avatar community. Emphasis on forum. I can make hundreds of gold a day from posting. You could too, easily. If you don't like chatting with people, roleplay. Don't like roleplaying? Start a quest thread. It's not that hard to earn gold if you try.

Unless the customer is wrong this time. If that is how menewsha would like to treat their members.

And wow. So Menewsha should do everything every member says, no matter what? Pretty sure Insomniac, the AA's, etc are smart people. They have to be, to run this site. Everything they do is for a reason. Not rewarding gold is for a reason. Lowering the gold cap on games is for a reason.

Let me try to explain things to you another way, Kitty. If blogs earnt gold then what we would have to do would be set them so that any entry went into a moderation queue. This would mean that it had to be read and okayed by an admin (not a mod) because if could even be posted, and if it was rejected it would be deleted and you'd earn nothing for it.

But, the whole point here (as I've explained already) is not that we don't want to moderate blogs, but that we don't want to limit what people can post in them. Consequently, no gold earning in that section :)

I hope you understand more clearly now.

Originally Posted by lemon228752

@ monstahh um excuse me but kittykondos was trying to suggest things that might acutually IMPROVE the website but if you want to be rude about DONT COMMENT!!!! @kittykondos i totally agree with you :)

As someone who has been here a long time, and someone who has seen this argument a billion times before, I wasn't trying to be rude, I was just trying to explain why I didn't think it was a good idea.
I'm sorry you saw it as rude, but that wasn't my intention. :P

I never said that menewsha should just do whatever because one single person suggested it. But if you have seen this arguement a billion times before then em okay why not consider it? If lots and lots of people agree that this feature should be improved then maybe just maybe people that actually use this particular feature strongly believe that it should be improved. But I do see the other side of the arguement. But like I have said and have been saying, forums are for people to suggest things that they would like to see done to menewsha correct? So if many people want it done, and oh okay it may be a teensy bit diffucult to do, but in the end you have a happy website. And I see that yes they do not want to limit the amount you can post on blogs. Okay so what about a feature that lets you sign up for a gold earning system with blogs? And it is just suggestion. Every time anyone ever tries to post a simple suggestion, about ten people jump on them on why not and this does not work. I am just saying that it is kind of rude in a way. always getting pounced on by people for making a simple suggestion. So just please simply ansewer why there is not feature that is optional to earn gold for blogs. And I ask as a simple question asker that i do not wish to pounced on and I do not wish to have negativity anymore. I asked a question and if you can not ansewer it then thank you for your time but it will probably be best to not say anything. i can see that there is quite a heated debate forming.

It's fine to suggest things. It's also fine for people to post their argument and to disagree with your suggestion. Site Feedback is for both sides of the issue. It has been considered many many times, and over and over, they've explained why it's not feasible. That's it, the end.

Its been sugested millions of times....but there are just as many people refuting the arguement. The economy is really quite delicate and adding more gold to the system is going to make such delicacy worse.

Site Feedback is for site feedback. Meaning, sure, you can make suggestions, but I have every right to tell you why I think your suggestion won't work.
If you can refute my points, then please, go ahead. But simply saying "BUT I WOULD LIKE IT" isn't really a valid reason when other users or even admins are saying, "This wouldn't work because..."

To answer your question: One of mene's admins has already said this:

Originally Posted by Jellysundae

But, the whole point here (as I've explained already) is not that we don't want to moderate blogs, but that we don't want to limit what people can post in them. Consequently, no gold earning in that section

The admin's do not what to limit what you can do with them. Moderating them would mean they have to 100% abide by the rules of the rest of the site. As it stand now, you can spam, do whatever in them, I don't think it matters. And the admin's don't want to take that away, but if you earn gold from them, there is always the chance of it being abused by spammers.

If you want to earn gold from them, like you do in the forums, they would have to be moderated to prevent things like...Spam! So people can't abuse blogs for easy gold gain and exploiting the system.

Edit: At least that is my impression, please correct me if I'm wrong. n__n;

nope....I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head.

ok i have read this entire thing. and i can say that i have made suggestions, particularly for items, and they have all actually come to fruition. i asked for facial hair, steampunk items and more wings. i have gotten all of those things, to the point where they had a steampunk event, which was awesome.

so i have to say that when you make a suggestion here, the admin and mods consider it carefully and make a decision based on the reality of the situation. i dont think that anyone pounced on you and i dont think anyone was being rude. they are all just trying to explain the reality of the situation to you. and that is that this is a forum website. you earn gold to reward you for participating in the forum. and you do not earn gold if you do not participate in the forum. you are suggesting that we earn gold for not participating in the forum more then just the games. that would defeat the purpose of mene.

there are other sites you could join that will reward you for posting in a blog if you would like to join those. and sites that will reward you for playing games. but mene is about the forum. and if thats not what you want, then as a customer, your in the wrong store. its not the store owners fault that your in the wrong store, and its certainly not the other customers fault. If this is the store you want, then participate in the forum and become a happy menewshan once more.

Originally Posted by kittykondos

I never said that menewsha should just do whatever because one single person suggested it. But if you have seen this arguement a billion times before then em okay why not consider it?

It has been considered.
Just the final answer at the end of lengthy consideration is... no.

The reason people 'pounce' on suggestions is so that, I guess, the rest of the readers of that thread see both sides of the argument. And maybe the original poster will learn a few things or two.

We don't pounce out of personal vendettas... Or at least I don't.
xD;
I 'pounce,' aka reply, just to make sure all the information is out there.

I pounce to point out the old conversations with the newest person. Because if you want to know the truth we in the SF have the same lengthy conversations over and over and over again. At times we may seem a little impersonal but we don't mean to we just end up saying the same things all the time. This conversation is one of the most common ones we have....and in the end the answer always ends up the same. Would it be good to add more gold into the system? No....for multitude of reasons.

I've been stalking this thread for a bit now, and while I more or less agree with the no-gold policy on blogs, I think it's interesting to note that generally the newer members are for gold-earning in blogs, while the older members are against it. ^^;; Does that say something or anything about Mene's policies and room for improvement? =O Just food for thought. XP <3<3

Actually Ry, I would like gold for blogs, and blogs to be more integrated in the site. :P
But, I respect the staff's decision against it, and I don't care enough about it, to argue for it.
I still probably wouldn't use blogs that often. XP

Yes i hacenoticed that the older members agrue that the gold limit is fine, but really I do not consider myself new at all. I have been a member for about two and a half years now. That is not exactly new. And the only reason the newer members are more for gold then the older members, is probably because as a new member we all must understand it is quite diffucult. And for a newer person earning gold is very very difficult. we were all new at one time. And apparently I am new so I guess i would know that earning gold is hard and takes time to save up. Rather then decrease the store prices I think that something should be done to gold system. Okay so we have established that there is absolultly nothing to be done about gold earning in the blogs. So I have heard that the gold earning for games used to be 500 gold a day instead of the current 250. So why not bring that back? And I must be able to read minds, but I have feeling that the limit was lowered because they were spending too much time on games, not forums. But there would still be a limit, and there would yes most likely be less forum activity, but not completly demolished. And that would inturn be less stress on mods. There would ofcourse be less people trying to spam because they would not have to. They would be able to earn a lot of gold from games and when that maxes out, post on forums. Then they can later decide whether to participate in forums, games, an blogs for other activities instead of just games, as new members often do. So why not increase the game gold earning limit? Okay so maybe some people can argue that five hundred is too much, okay so why not fifty more? Just a hundred? Anything is an improvement.

There was an announcement about the gold decrease in games here: http://www.menewsha.com/forum/main/a...toys-away.html

:3

kittykondos: try to break up your monster paragraphs D: it hurts my eyes to read that wall of text.

So I have heard that the gold earning for games used to be 500 gold a day instead of the current 250.

the gold limit was 500 in june or whatever when i joined, but you've been here for 2 years and you had to hear about it? xD not very active are you? o.o but even though i would love for the 'experiment' (even though it looks to be permanent) i do understand why it is 250 instead. :gonk: i do miss my extra pennies though

As I've said before in another thread, Insomniac hasn't had the time to assess if the experiment of changing the gold earning from games is a success or failure yet. Until he has the time, it stays in place. It's not something anyone but Insomniac has the power to change.

technically no one gets gold randomly because people will end up scraping in extra cash just for clicking their mouse. i'm just saying :P

where is this extra cash for moving the mouse? i have not seen this! gold on here is measured by how much effort/characters put into a nonspammy post, because if it is spammy it will ultimately either be noticed by an AA or Mod or whatever, or reported and removed, thus taking the gold you earned from it with it.

there is no such thing as free here on menewsha. are you perhaps talking about gaia? because even for moving your mouse around there you don't get any money, you have to wander around and its a measly 3 to 5 gold for your trouble.

Money for clicking? Eww no... you realize how many auto-refreshers we would get on mene for that? So many people would go to work with it on, and stress the server with their constant refreshing for gold.

I saw this happen during the 07 winter event, where someone refreshed their thread and had a program auto click where the "collect currency" thing was. I don't think it's even stoppable as it'd be doable with programs not connected to mene.

So yeah... gold surfing is bad... it's the same as what happened when games came out... posting got hurt. Honestly I think there need to be LESS ways to earn gold so people will post more. Take away gold from games and make every penny more worthwhile. Granted, you could say have gold earning for top 10 (for the effort?) if you wanted, but it's a community... not a game.

I remember when I had to post 200g worth of words just to get a CI... now people can play games for 2 days and buy a CI for 1k. More gold just means more inflation. if we double games to 1k per day? CIs will spike and posting will have to get another little gold increase that will just boost inflation more.

The best result is less to get more. If you have to post for gold, you make friends, fuel chatting, reduce thread-stalking, and CIs wont be so insanely expensive after a while because it'd be harder to earn gold.

Sorry if I went off track any >.>" I kinda got carried away... because I've been here since 07 and I've watched CIs spike from 200->1k after game release. Inflation has gone up 500% since I joined if I remember right.