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Originally Posted by Liquid Diamond

Can we stop talking about it now? It's incredibly depressing.

Liquid, this is my thread. My thread means my responsibility.
I need to deal with these things, and I don't like it one bit either. I still need to do it.

Originally Posted by sadrain

Well, I am embarassed to come here, too. I don't thnik anyone can claim I am happy of what happened.
And I already explained, the best I could in those posts but, yes, I don't mind doing it again.
I tried to turn it into a joke AND apologized. I think about 3 or 4 times. Its not like there is only one certain way of saying I am sorry and that would include falling on my knees and begging.
But I do admit my fault, I am not saying I am the one who got hurt or something. Even if I did, too, because I seriously hadn't intended it like that and by the fact she took it so seriously.

I know there is more than one way to apologize, but by turning it into a joke, she might have felt as if you were downplaying her feelings. Especially because it happened just that one time she had brought over a friend.

If she accepts the apology, then for me everything is finished. If she does not, I'll have to talk with you both together.

I just feel like this place rarely, if ever, takes such an awkward turn. Saddie and I were talking about something when Jere and Axen joined in, but we continued talking about it anyway. When we knew it offended them, we tried to make it a little more upbeat by joking since (i don't know about saddie but) thats how I deal with awkward moments. I didn't know she was that offended.. I'm not use to people taking things so seriously.

But I explained it all to her and she, I think accepted the apology, both of them. But alright, I am writing it. Because I truly AM sorry, for goodness sake. I don't know how to make my font look sincere but if I could, I would.

Anyhow, I am goiing off to finish these "I am begging on my knees to forgive, if not forget" letters. Seems that in any other way, I will not be forgiven.

Liquid: There has been a while, but that's long ago. Around page 450-700 there were some difficulties as well.

Saddie: I have forgiven you. Just know that whether or not I like to do it, I have to deal with this kind of thing.

I think Jere overprotected a friend that didn't really care. He even commented on Russians and joined in our conversation with us, and she ADMITTED she was overprotective. She's the only one who was clearly hurt.

I guess I'll write the letter (obviously, I have to). But I also think you are all ruining a day that is meant to be filled with joyous celebration over one silly mistake. Now I will leave for the day before you continue you chew me out further on a day that's suppose to be filled with happiness and family.

Silenia, I understand your role in this thread as the leader, and that this must be addressed. That's what makes you such a good leader.. you know you must deal with these things and you're mature about it. But honestly, I think it's being taken a little too far and it's suppose to be a great day for me. If you want to continue this further, PM me instead of humiliate me in the thread.

I need to begin a quest thread but I am beyond to lazy. Maybe I would put outfits together faster.
I am making bacon for breakfast, yummy!

I don't think Sellie is ruining any day, in one way or another, she is right. I jsut don't know WHEN Jereg wrote the letter. Maybe before it all was ssorted out.

I am sorry that I personally don't give a rat's ass about a holiday that is not and will never be celebrated here when I am sorting out my charity's problems.

But I am sorry that you feel that way. On the other hand, if this had not happened one day before thanksgiving, I would not have to deal with it at Thanksgiving, now would I?

Yea it wouldn't make sense for her to write it AFTER we apologized, but maybe she just wants more from us.

Silenia, THAT was even more offensive. You don't give a "rat's ass" about a day that is incredibly important to me, just because it's not celebrated where you are? Sorry, but that's just downright wrong. Thanksgiving is more important to me then you can even imagine, and I'm not even going to get into the story as to why. But that hurt and I know that WASN"T a mistake.. That was full out intentional on your part!

You know what? That just was a low blow. And I know you're not going to apologize, because you feel that what I said was much more horrible and you're somehow justified by shoving me to the dirt like that. That's just hurtful Silenia. And don't say "Well you did it too!" because you did that with the intent of hurting me!

Liquid, that comment was really close to an edge. I don't know if she said it before or after you had sorted it out, but what you read was just an excerpt. The letter was not written because she 'wanted more from you', because she wanted to rant but because she thought - and I FULLY agree - that I, as owner of this charity, was supposed to know.

And Liquid, I said that I personally don't give a rat's ass about it, because I DON'T CELEBRATE IT.

I also said that I 'personally don't give a rat's ass about it when I am sorting out my charity's problems', which, if I may remind you, were partially caused by you.

Despite this I did not mean to hurt you - but I must admit that I was getting annoyed by getting online to be greeted with drama and then having one of the causers of this drama keeping complaining how I should end this.

I cannot end it if it is not sorted out, and it did not feel like it was to me.

Despite this, once again, I apologize.

This looks like a REALLY bad time to say taht i am back on menewsha.

It is.

Liquid: I apologize once more for what you felt was a low blow.

I don't want this drama at all but I had a rough day and this did not help in the least.

Well, as I am logging off probably for a longer time, I will tell what my mother thinks says about this:
Thank you for a very good lesson everybody. Just like in Latvia, I, on Internet, too, must say only what everyone wants to hear, not what I think. Because, REALLY, it was not meant about every single white guy in the whole world but about the specific guys I know and mostly Latvian men. If SHE, not even Axen, took it so personally, it is really not that much of my fault, especially if I AM sorry from bottom of my heart and already said that.

Good bye. I promise to not be abother anymore with my thoughts and/or feelings or troubles. At least not in the next weeks or so.

Silenia-sama- -Walks over to her, and hugs her, because sometimes actions speak louder than words-

*hugs everybody on the thread* And welcome back Pie.

I'm just going to leave this thread for a while for everything to just settle down. I'm sure that's what you would like too. I'll write my letters to Jere and Axen, but after that I'm just going to lay low. I'm sorry you had a horrible day and I made it worse for you, and I hope it gets better from here.

With all respect, Silenia, you are a good leader and you have to deal with some asses like me sometimes. But sometimes, the asses like me have feelings too.

Fine.
Saddie, if that is the way you want to think I mean it, fine. I DO NOT SAY YOU CANNOT SPEAK YOUR MIND. I JUST SAY THAT IF YOU DO SO AND SOMEONE TAKES OFFENCE, PLAYING THINGS DOWN AND JOKING ABOUT IT IS NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.

I will be offline for now. I do not know when I will be back. I do not intend to quit Menewsha - if I will, I will post that, not suddenly disappear.

PLEASE do not let this thread descend into huge drama while I am gone.

Liquid: I too am only human. Being ill, surrounded by multiple asses and then logging on only to have to deal with drama of which one person seems to think we should get over and forget and the other says she 'must say only what others want to hear', well, sorry, but I have feelings TOO and after reacting to the issues multiple times, I MAY FEEL LIKE 'SO WHAT?!' AS WELL.

I can't wait to eat turkey today.

*blinks* *drops jaw*
yeah, how about that turkey.
mmm *hates turkey*

@Kirin, Me either! Or Candied Yams! I am ready for dinner. I made a simple breakfast and now I am going to pop out and go to another thread for a little bit. :) Take care all.

I am looking forward to my mom's pecan pie. I haven't eaten anything today.