Alright... I'll say it right now, I'm not a twig. Far from it. And to be honest, some of the rail thin women on tv just make me ill.

Of course we've all seen it, a waist so thin it looks like the weight of the DD pushup bra induced cleavage just might make it snap, faced filled with so much botox they look like masks...

So my question is, do people really find that attractive?

I've met men who like bigger women, some of whom were ashamed to admit to their preference. It's almost as if liking larger women has become less socially acceptable then liking the same gender.

Go media. e_e

So what does Menewsha think? Do you find plus sized men or women attractive? Is there a 'too big' or a 'too skinny'? What weight do you consider normal?

Just for reference I'm defining 'plus size' as roughly 200lb+, clothing sizes 16+. I'm not talking the incredibly obese (400-500lbs) people that spend their lives on a couch or have a clinical illness that put's them that way.

Also, does it matter? Would you date someone overweight if you liked their personality?

And a final note, I'm not trying to start a rant, although this post is fairly opinionated, I'm just curious. Please post what you really think, rather than what you think the rest of the community would want to hear. n.n And let's stay civil please.

I've heard that people find "beauty" as being very symmetrical. The more symmetrical a person is, the more beautiful they appear. If you take any model and cut her face in half and flip it over, it will almost be exact. People don't really notice this and they think that the skinnier you are, the more attractive you are. Not true. Some women who are 200 lbs+ can be attractive, but many chose not to be because they think that heavy = ugly. This is why makeup is invented, to give people the symmetry they want to look beautiful (I'm not saying you need makeup to be beautiful, I'm saying you could use it to enhance it). Media = sucks.

True, but you can't say weight doesn't play a huge role. Even plus size models (http://www.plusmodels.com/) aren't very plus sized.

Of course with a model, you have to have a pretty face -and- a pretty figure.

EDIT: In all fairness, looking through that site, it seems to be a directory for women to post applications, and several are fairly plusized, however the women on their main page are not.

I don't really have a preference one way or the other. I have no problem admitting I find larger girls attractive. I would definitely date a larger girl.

Ehh really I have a low standard for what a girl looks like. I believe in inner beauty >.< yea I'm a softy. That dosn't mean I date really ugly girls. Just average and up :D

^_^

Glad to hear the media isn't sucking everyone's brains. XD

Inner beauty is a good thing to believe in, after all, we lose our exterior before our interior.

Yea, I use to date girls for there body's and not for there personality. It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life. I don't understand how people can survive being so dumb... Well sorry for getting off topic :P

No worries. n.n

But, back on topic!

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So what does Menewsha think? Do you find plus sized men or women attractive? Is there a 'too big' or a 'too skinny'? What weight do you consider normal?

Just for reference I'm defining 'plus size' as roughly 200lb+, clothing sizes 16+. I'm not talking the incredibly obese (400-500lbs) people that spend their lives on a couch or have a clinical illness that put's them that way.

Also, does it matter? Would you date someone overweight if you liked their personality? "

Well, I'm personally not going to shovel some bullshit to make myself look good.
I think the way I think, and this is how it goes;

The initial appearance of someone will pull me in; their personality makes me like them more, and it goes that way. I don't want either super-skinny or what you would consider larger; I like them in the middle, and a pretty face is pretty good to boot. A few people that others consider ugly (their weights vary, but they're most all pretty much the scene kids that I hang out with) are pretty interesting for me.
So I'm going to conclude that weight does matter for me. I just find it revolting that people let themselves be that way. I won't say anything to them about it unless they want me to, but I won't want certain things from people like that (no offense to anyone meant, but.. yeah..).


Sorry for being the first single-minded thick-headed douche-bag white boy. ;)

Weight doesn't really factor in to what I find attractive. I'm not in to super skinny guys or guys that are super obese, but other than that, I like it all. I'm really into Somoan men. They tend to be chunky. I, myself, am not skinny either.

Edit: I've always gotten picked on by family and friends for my taste in men. I admit, sometimes I can understand why people don't get the attraction. (i.e. "The Boogeyman") However, I like what I like, and I'm not going to change that for anyone.

Vappor1: XD At least you're honest about it.

As hypocritical as it may be, appearance matters a bit to me. I wouldn't intentionally go for someone overweight or heavyset, and in that sense I'm bit shallow. However if I liked their personality and we got along well I'd probably be with them anyway. I guess what I mean is a good appearance is a plus but not a must, but I gear for the better looking.

That might not have made any sense at all...

I dislike the media as well. I'm tired of seeing people that all look the same, bleach blond and thin with humongous boobs. There's nothing real about them, everything from their hair color to their boobs to who knows what else is fake. I think it looks ridiculous when someone's breasts are not proportionate to their body. It irks me that men actually like this sort of thing too, at least some men. And actually, as someone who is rather skinny myself, it bothers me that so much emphasis is put on weight, because then people who are naturally thin get labeled anorexic or whatever when they aren't. But I also think the media is starting to move away from skinny girls, and now the thing is to have a humongous butt and stuff like that. Which I don't understand how that's attractive either.

But the media does the same thing with men, though I don't think it's quite as noticeable since things usually like to focus on women more for some reason, another thing that I find annoying. But with the men, they try to portray certain body types as being attractive and ideal also. Usually very muscly, well built men. To me that isn't attractive at all. There's nothing wrong with it, but to me I find it a bit ugly to be honest. My boyfriend is super skinny, and while that might be a good thing for a woman, for men people sometimes think it's weird or whatever. I have no problem with it. I think it's more attractive and normal looking than to have bulging muscles and stuff.

I think the media is bad because it tries to instill this image of what is attractive and what isn't, when people should be free to make up their minds for themselves what they are attracted to. I don't even see the point of trying to tell people that a certain type of person is more attractive, it really doesn't help anyone.

I can't find overweight people attractive.
I don't mind a bit of fat, more to love, but it's when it goes from being curvy to just a mass, I find it unattractive.
But I dislike the other extreme as well, I don't find stick thin people attractive either, even though I'm pretty thin myself.

Sometimes I do and sometimes i don't
Weight doesn't factor very much in my eyes of attractive
However
Severely obese and stick people
I find mostly disgusting
And unhealthy
I happen to be a little bigger than most girls my age
But I'm still growing
>.<

Being of the... non twiggy type myself... I must admit I feel shame because I'm heavy. Low self esteem is horrible to have and having it put in your face that if your hip bones and ribs don't protrude from your skin, then you're not attractive makes me sad.

I'm lucky, I have a boyfriend who likes my curves, though they're not curves to me, they look more like rolls, but then again, what I see isn't what he sees.

Grey, look up 'big girls' by Mika. It made me happy. XD

I know what you mean though, my self esteem isn't bad until it comes to my weight. that's just depressing. Expanding actually, but depressing. But I started dating one of my guy friends... it felt so wonderful to have someone that liked me for me, heavy figure and all.

I broke up with him though because it kind of felt like I was dating my brother. o.o;

But that boosted my self esteem a lot. XD

Good for the self esteem boost and I will google "big girls" by Mika. XD

I'm pretty self confident if I forget my looks, but once I start thinking about how I'm not as thin as some of the girls I work with, I get flustered and shy. I'm not that way... so it's irritating and yes, depressing.

I'm sure you'll find someone not so brotherly feeling :)

I saw this and immeditely thought of Mika's song "Big Girls." I wonder why...*sarcasm*

XD That song sort of inspired this thread. ~cackles~

Whoa, I see I wasn't the only one who thought of Mika. I just barely read more than the first post.

I'm not overweight, but leaning towards it (according to my B.M.I) - but some people just call me plain 'fat'. (It's not like I think it matters too much though). But I would date somebody a little overweight or a little underweight, but yes, it's quite unattractive when someone's too overweight (obese) or too underweight (stick thin)! It does depend on their personality though, I guess, I go for people with a sense of humour~ (and pretty eyes is a bonus!)

Wow fuck you.
So I'd be a horrible person to say how disgusting your fat rolls and shit are but you are fully free to rag on my twenty-two inch waist and call my natural body type unattractive.

Just for the record, I doubt I'd ever date someone overweight, especially not someone overweight and PROUD of the fact because I find it completely idiotic when people say things like "real beauty is not a size 2" or define what a "real woman" is (sloppy and overweight with big tits and a big ass).

It's really sad that you have to bring up your self esteem by talking down on skinny people.

Comming from a family of plus sized people I dont judge cause of size. Though... at times i do feel ashamed of my size. I know people who prefer plus sized people to be with and honestly i also at times wonder why they do? Personality is a great majority to me that attracts me to somebody, but there is the physical aspect to it too. If it seems like they are takeing care of themselves (not meaning fit.. meaning.. they arent excessively eating foods that are bad for them) and have a healthy self esteeme level then i find them attractive already cause it shows they care about themselves. I might just think that way cause... well thats what I do now. Ive been plus size since child hood and now that I know whats really good and bad for me... i've started changes in my lifestyle to back it up.

I luckily have a bf who loves me for me and he tells me that every day. Sadly the media makes plus sized people seem to not even compare in beauty to the models/actors(tress) that they have out into the public eye.

I don't think it'd hurt to have more plus sized people in Hollywood and in the movies, sure there are a few on TV (and that is awesome!!) but there needs to be more in the movies too.

I have large breasts and hips. This has always bothered me. But lately even more so.

I can't fit into alot of the tops i want without it being too tight or my breasts hanging out. ><

It seems that alot of the clothes are made for women who are very thin and have the shape of a 12 year old boy dying of starvation. Even some of the bigger sizes are cut to be tight.

It's like they are saying "You need to starve yourself to be fashionable."
I don't like that message at all. It usually takes me awhile to find anything that fits well. I'm a size 10/11 but because my waist is smaller in size than my hips I have trouble getting things to fit properly.

I'm not plus sized but I understand what you mean because it's not always easy to feel beautiful. I'm not a twig either. But in my experience the problem mostly lies with women's perceptions of themselves based on the media and alot of men don't really care if you aren't rail thin.

Caroline, that's not very nice. In general there's a stigma against being overweight or even a little too voluptuous that no longer exists for people who are very thin. Long ago it was the other way around and being too thin was unnatractive. I don't know what made things change but now there's too much pressure to be the smallest size you can.
have a thyroid disorder and problems with my digestive system. I hardly can eat enough to sustain myself. Yet because my metabolism is slow, even with medication it takes me longer than normal to lose weight. I'm still trying to lose the 20 pounds I still have from before my metabolism crashed. Not everyone who isn't thin has an obsession with food.

I took two semesters of art history. There were alot of artists, like Peter Paul Rubens for example, that painted women to be heavier. Venus at a Mirror shows a larger Venus. Today we'd call this Venus fat right away regardless of the beauty of the painting.

I think we're stuck at a trend where bones are beautiful instead of flesh. And the message attached to it is really unhealthy.