Yeah yeah.. CHANGE is the biggest word right now. We're all making fun of Bush and praising Obama for, well being black, and for the change he is going to make. But do we actually know what this change will be? Is there change? It's quite amazing how quickly he has practically drawn up an army right behind him, that could very well blindly follow him through anything.

I'm personally worried this 'change' could be something bad. N.W.O., if you don't know what it is I'm not going to bother explaining it right now but keep it in mind if you have an idea.

Please note I'm Canadian so yeah 0_o

Technically, he's half-black. He physically looks black. No matter how well he does in office, he is going to be judged in a critical fashion because he is somewhat setting the standard for all of the black presidents that may follow. Because he is the first, he has huge expectations to live up to. There is no way to predict if there will be a change or not. Personally, I do hope for one because I am sick of war and a bad economy. Honestly, there is nothing wrong with hoping, and that's exactly what people are doing. They are quick to praise because they want to believe someone can do better than Bush has done.

I don't know if anyone else saw this, but I saw a documentary (I think it was on the show American Greed) where there was this scam; A man claimed he inherited all these cars, and was selling them for about 1-5k each. News of it spread to churches across America, to all the people who couldn't afford cars and needed these. They believed so much, they had so much faith, in the end they got ripped.

Hope is nice, but right now we are all jumping onto a big platform and we don't know if it will hold us up.

I'm English and thus don't have a great understand of the situation.
But between some black guy wanting change, a crazy woman, or a really old guy who looks like he will die soon?

I really would preffer Bush.

Originally Posted by xSzayel Granz

I'm English and thus don't have a great understand of the situation.
But between some black guy wanting change, a crazy woman, or a really old guy who looks like he will die soon?

I really would preffer Bush.

If I was faced with the prospect of having to deal with another four years of Bush, I would move...to Canada. Eight years is more than enough. He didn't really seem to do much for the country except lead us into a war and take away our privacy with the Patriot Act. I'm not saying he didn't think it was necessary, but I am saying that he probably didn't fully consider alternatives.

I didn't vote for the "really old guy", but age doesn't mean someone is a less-capable leader. He definitely had experience. I mean, being old doesn't stop the Pope from ruling, right? Old people have done some great things. It's ageism to assume that someone isn't capable of ruling just because they are old. It's like saying that all young people are lazy and worthless.

I like Obama because he wants to pull of of Iraq and he believes in global warming and looking for renewable energy sources.

That and he seems very articulate and intelligent.

Would you prefer if everyone wasn't passionate about Obama? It is better to praise at the moment and encourage than to criticize and cause a bad start to his presidency. Instead of bringing his hopes down we should as Americans praise him while he can be praised so that he does start off on the right foot and have the will to make good change happen.

Originally Posted by xSzayel Granz

I'm English and thus don't have a great understand of the situation.
But between some black guy wanting change, a crazy woman, or a really old guy who looks like he will die soon?

I really would preffer Bush.

Bush already served two terms in office. it is very rare that a person can run more than that. the "old" guy running was McCain.

Anyway, people still want to look forward to a helpful president, and thus, praise him. some people are just glad to have bush out, and thought he was a better candidate, b/c his goals and policies were more toward the public, and of course more liberal. young people these days are for "change". and i'm sure a whole bunch of people believe that there couldn't possibly be a president worse than Bush.

One president vs. Another
Each one has their good points and bad points : /

I think what determines whether a political member is popular or not
is the timing in which they and their ideas are introduced.
Look at Hitler for example,
Germany was still angry about WWI
where it lost all its power,
and the people were feeling hopeless and oppressed.
Then Hitler came around.
He promised that Germany would get its power back.
Sure, he was crazy as hell, we know that now,
but he promised the right thing at the right time.
That's what people look for.

I have to say, we should admire Obama's intelligence
for having used that method.
"Change!" Right when people want change.
Not very many political members are smart enough to realize
what the people are feeling oppressed about ("change" in this case),
then using it for their benefit nowadays.
It's very manipulative,
but I'm absolutely fascinated by it.
Look at the response he's made with it.
There are commercials where people try to make you buy
a dollar or something with Obama engraved into it.
(those people are pretty smart as well,
doing this now, before people don't like him)
Honestly,
I don't think Obama will do anything extremely notable while he's president.
He may pull the troops out of Iraq (easier said than done),
make the U.S a little more green,
but other than that
I don't think there will be a change.
I just think he wanted to get voted in.

Personally I like Obama.
Mainly for the reasons I stated above.
I repeat, I think he's harmless.

Bush has made few even decent policies (living in Florida, I can tell you no Child Left Behind is failing miserably.) Moreover, he's black and democrat so he ahs a completely different worldview and take on situations. While Obama has many grand plans that may not all come to fruition, he is already making good on some of his claims. He's electing Republicans to the cabinet (like many of our great presidents did), and choosing the most qualified. (Yes, Hilary Clinton has tons of foreign policy experience. She was not just Clinton's wife.)
I highly doubt Obama will be the best president ever, but Bush handled things poorly. Obama would succeed if all he did was clean up Bush's messes. Personally, I hope he helps education and healthcare as much as his platform said he would. I have a sister with a debilitating collagen deficency disease called Ehler's-Danlos, and everyone but my little sister has bipolar. Medicine isn't cheap, and I wish there were cheaper things we could do.
And I live in Florida, so our schools are very messed up.
So yes, everyone may be quick to praise him, but that's only because we're so tired of a president who takes more vacations than a Frenchmen.

Originally Posted by Nocere

If I was faced with the prospect of having to deal with another four years of Bush, I would move...to Canada.

Not if you actually lived in Canada and saw wtf was going on. Basically, the guy the country voted for has been overthrown by a collection of all the minority parties. It's whack. :/

But yeah, I know that Obama has been built up a lot. Like.. a lot. He's really really new to politics compared to other senators and a lack of experience can be a hindering thing, no matter how awesome you are at speaking. I do support Obama, and not being an American, I guess I have no right to judge, but there's some things that no one can live up to. He's being compared to the greats and he's not even in office yet. :/

I'm rather apathetic to the whole Obama thing, aside from the fact that it kept Palin out of office. That woman gives me the willies. >.<

My college is having a big party when Obama gives his speech, I might go for the free hot chocolate and cupcakes. I'm not that big on politics, but I am glad to get rid of Bush. The man looked like a rat or a mouse, and couldn't make it through two sentences without saying "uhh" or "uhm" at least three times. There was also the thing of him embarrassing the country every time they allowed him to make his own speeches.

Clinton was a decent guy, even if he did cheat on his wife. The country did pretty well during his time in office, I believe. But yes, off to topics that leave me in less of an argumentative mood.

I agree with you. Everyone at my school is all, "Oh yes, there's a big change!" Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, considering he hasn't done anything as president yet. I'm not saying there won't be a change, but there definitely isn't one right now, because he's technically not a president until the...ceremony. (Gah, blank moment, I forgot what it's called. >_<)

I'm from Chicago, and after looking at him for longer than most people in the world have, all I can say is that after all of that time, he still is a big blank.

When he first ran for senate, in the democratic primary, I did not vote for him. I voted for a woman named Maria Pappas, a lifelong Chicago resident and nice lady. Her track record made me think she would work for us, and not for an eventual presidential bid. Remember, they were eyeing him for a presidential run when he was a STATE senator, the local kind in the state capitol.

Obama won in spite of this, of course, and the rest is history. All I am hoping for is that whoever first saw his potential in politics saw something in his writings or work. I've read Obama's books and they really haven't made me think: 'this is someone I want running the country.' He did have a very strange childhood, though. Not just globe-trotting and multicultural, either. STRANGE. There was something kind of disturbing about his grandfather whenever he would touch on him.

Fortunately, I haven't seen any of those indicators to NWO like people are worried about. Bush was screaming NWO, Obama is just a puppet of Chicago democrats. The problem is that people aren't familiar with his players and backers.

The only thing I'm worried about in the conspiracy sense are his donors. I mean, he made more campaign money than all the rest of his competitors COMBINED, and he did not take public funds.

From a Brit's(outsider's) point of view, I'd say people are just happy that change is underway. I expect it's not so much"Obama is so awesome and is going to be wonderful" but more "Obama isn't Bush, thank God"

People are maybe fast to praise because of the hope that he'll live up to the praise, the US has had 8 years of a buffoon running the country, so they are SO ready for something better. I'm sure they know deep down that Obama isn't going to be some kind of panacea, he'll make decisions that people hate and so on, but right now, hope is upper most.

Well, the buffoon was for the cameras. Cheney was running the country.

Cheney would have run for president by now himself if his heart wasn't so bad. He would have had all the backing that Bush Sr. and W. had.

yes they are.
my mom and i are betting on how long it takes before he gets an assassination attempt

Originally Posted by jellysundae

From a Brit's(outsider's) point of view, I'd say people are just happy that change is underway. I expect it's not so much"Obama is so awesome and is going to be wonderful" but more "Obama isn't Bush, thank God"

Yeah, that's EXACTLY it in my case. I'm not jumping in and praising him already...I'm just relieved beyond belief that it's NOT bush...and it's NOT someone who is almost identical to him WITH some crazy woman who thinks she know world affairs because "Alaska is close to Russia."

Personally though? I'm far from convinced our troubles are over. It's NOT going to be easy, if POSSIBLE, for ANYONE to fix up this country in four or even eight years at this point. I'm hoping to see Obama make a difference; he has promised change, and at this point I almost think ANY change would be good...but it won't be easy, and I'm NOT totally convinced he can follow through.

I'm not praising him just yet...I'm just hoping that there will be a difference made.

Originally Posted by Amani

and it's NOT someone who is almost identical to him WITH some crazy woman who thinks she know world affairs because "Alaska is close to Russia."

Way to buy into propaganda.

I am embarrassed about the way democrats demonized that woman.

I voted for Obama simply because I agreed with his ideas. I'm hoping for change, but usually, when the elects talk about what they will do, it never happens, simply because they don't have that kind of power.

Originally Posted by Tilly

Not if you actually lived in Canada and saw wtf was going on. Basically, the guy the country voted for has been overthrown by a collection of all the minority parties. It's whack. :/

Oh man!
I'm pissed about that! Dx<
I don't know what your take on it is,
but all I know is I voted for Harper, we got Harper,
so why everyone but Harper going to be in charge?
What a messed up form of government.

Honestly, I used to respect the guys in charge of
the Liberal party, the block Quebecois and the NDP until now.
The Tories have minority government!
What does Harper have the power to do that's so terrifying?!
These coalition-guys are a bunch of cowards!
They're scared of a guy with minority government,
so scared that they want to overthrow him!
Honestly?!
I think they're just scared that people will begin liking
the Tories more than the Liberals ....

This situation really annoys me.
Canada might be runned by a bunch of cowards.
Does anyone know if they're actually going through with this?
We haven't heard from them in a while,
I'm thinking, if they were going to do it,
they would have done it already.

Nothing really against Obama... but... I really think we need a president with a History major... because if they did... we would have the back-up of all the things every other ancient to modern civilization did right and wrong... as well as the previous presidents...

I personally think that that would be helpful in running a country....

I'm personally worried this 'change' could be something bad. N.W.O., if you don't know what it is I'm not going to bother explaining it right now but keep it in mind if you have an idea.

I agree people are really Obama crazy but if you think about he does have some great ideas and he's not Bush most of all. I could see what you saying but the N.W.O I'm lost. I really don't see where that came from. Care to explain?

Personally, I think people do this ALL the time, with near everything! It happens with movies, video games, restaurants, technology. It's all HYPE, and that's really all it is. They've already said Obama can not do what he promised, and he doesn't have any of the funds he needs to do what he wants. All he can do is pick up where Bush left us, in a giant gaping anal cavity of debt, and try to slowly climb us out. African Americans are going mental over him because he's half black. It makes no difference what race he is, they just think they won't have to do anything anymore if he's president and they're so wrong. I don't mean to sound like I'm putting them down, but they're the ones who are pushing this hype so far up its ridiculous. The only thing Obama is changing is whose in what office. He can't change the world, he can't make everything better. He was simply just a better choice then his opponent.

If you've done any study of American history, than you know that every president has made promises for it's country in conflict and they were never able to complete all of these. Yes, people have been quick to praise him, but I'm also sure that everyone will be ready to destroy him the second he goes against anything that he previously said he was going to do. No man knows exactly what is going to come for the American people this term, so there's no way he can predict what will be feasible to counteract any coming disasters. Some of his plans will probably fall through and he'll have to make decisions he would rather not, but I'm just glad he's not Bush and things will finally be happening again. I mean, is it me or does it feel like the only Bush ever did was initiate a war?