Originally Posted by Yorihiko (Post 1766239652)

I'm not going to proclaim any such thing. There was only one Christ. One, not one million. The only REAL Christianity is to follow what that one, real, true, historical and Divine Christ, and what that one, real Christ ACTUALLY did teach.

Welcome to reality. In spite of how badly we wish it were otherwise, it's not a multiple choice affair. It simply is what it is, and those who don't think so are either ignorant or insane. Reality is this mean, nasty, undemocratic, stubborn-as-hell thing that exists all round us, whether we like it or not. Which means unfortunately, I can't just, say... re-invent mathematics, because I find them difficult or unpleasant, or they're not my style, or I'd like something else a lot better. And I can't make them go away, by simply deciding I don't like them or want to believe in them anymore.

Strangely enough, ALL of reality is like this. Now, I know this may be hard for some people to come to terms with but... I'm afraid that since all of us are stuck here in the same "mean, nasty, stubborn, undemocratic" reality... that means NONE of us get to escape it by simply not liking it, re-inventing it in our own heads, disbelieving it, what have you.

Now, Christ was REAL. God is REAL. Horror of horrors, that means He, too, belongs to that category of things that we can't do a darn thing about, and that we can't change by just not liking them, or re-inventing them. And, horror of horrors, even we make up our minds we don't like Him at all... like every other part of reality... He isn't going to disappear either! (GASP!)

What the heck am I going on about? Well, there is only ONE Christ. That is the reality. That REAL Christ founded only ONE, real Church. We're talking HISTORY here, not opinions. REALITY, not gooey emotions. Since Christ was real, and there is only one version of Him, there is only one "version" of what He really did teach. Again, HISTORICALLY. Not what we get when we're daydreaming on the couch after we've had a good meal. This means, horror of horrors, we can NOT invent any other "christ" or any other "version" of Christianity, or what Christ taught, because... HE WAS REAL. >gasp<

"Oh, doesn't this reality business just make you want to kick something?! How can it be so mean?! How can it ignore our personal freedom like this... Oh!" Well... I'm afraid that's just how it is.

Oh gosh... I guess that means there are an awful lot of counterfeit sects out there. Be that as it may, the fact is that in that reality I mentioned before... you know, the one we're all stuck in and can't just change by thinking hard enough... Christ is only what He is, and said only what He really said, and taught only what He really taught, and founded only the one Church He really did start.

I can't help it if a lot of men, hundreds of years after Christ founded His REAL Christianity, came along and decided they didn't like it and claimed to change it. That's called, "denying reality." But I also can't help it that the real article exists, and that it says what it says.

Just as there was only one Christ, there can be only one Christianity. He had one Church, not a million. We can say we don't like what He said, or whine and complain it's too hard to live up to, or try to pretend that by saying whatever we want, the reality changes... but sadly, it doesn't. Just like no other part of reality will change for us on a whim, and just like we can't make up our own "truth" about any other part of reality, and have IT become real.

What my response covers is what I know from THAT Church. (Not a million other churches made by random men later on.)

According to that Church, following it's guidance by the power of reason, the kinds of things suggested by the word "kinky" are prohibited. 1) they are against the godly virtue of chastity... which, for the ignorant, actually does mean more than just not sleeping around outside of marriage, but which rather refers to all behavior modest and proper to a soul belonging to God. 2) the sin of sodom was condemned QUITE explicitly in words along the lines of damnation. 3) anything along the lines of violence are prohibited because of the spirit of the law "thou shalt not kill," which ALSO covers doing any kind of bodily damage (not medical) to ourselves or others, because the body is meant to be the temple of the Holy Ghost.

Those who are familiar with the actual doctrine of that real, historical Christ (as opposed to the ones people invent like an imaginary friend... according to however they like to think of Him) , and the Church HE (not other men, later on) founded, will be able to verify those points. Anyone uncertain as to the accuracy of the doctrine, can read the many books of doctrine of historical antiquity that expound to the laity the teachings of Christ and the Bible about, among other things, matters of Christian purity, in and outside of marriage. Doctrine... not opinion. As in, "what Christ taught," not "what I feel like doing/thinking."

Far from spouting opinions, I couldn't give a rat's behind about opinions, my own, or anyone elses. If I want to get to heaven and not hell, opinions aren't worth a [email protected]#n. (Or rather, that's usually all they ARE worth.) If I want to get to the REAL Christ's REAL heaven, it's not hard for a rational mind to come to the conclusion that it will be on HIS (REAL) terms, and not according to whatever fantasy version of Him or His doctrine I liked best.

Fantasy, lies, errors, opinions... all of them are complete garbage, when it comes to any matter dealing with the reality in which we live. This is real life. Either we get to know reality, or reality kicks our butt. When human garbage smacks up against concrete reality, one of them gives way. And you can bet your bottom that it will be our butt, and not reality, that does the giving way. If everyone else on this earth was fine with living "however they want," and according to whatever garbage they can invent that makes them feel all good and gooey about themselves and their afterlife, that's their affair. For my part, I'm going to do like sane, rational, intelligent people do in every other area of life... look at reality, and go with that, even if it isn't fun, because those are the facts that will get the results.

It always makes me laugh when people say things like "that's just YOUR opinion." Or "that's YOUR choice." How much intelligence does it really take to look at the world around you, figure out that it doesn't change, no matter how we like it (or not), and then decide to do the only intelligent thing any rational person could do... learn the TRUTH, and live with it. Sorry, but... the world that exists around us isn't going to care what the heck we wanted. Everything real is simply what it is. Fantasy is great for having fun. But only an idiot would think of something as stupid as LIVING by it. (Whether it's your fantasy or someone else's.)

The fool who says there is no gravity, or who believes wholeheartedly that it will pull them up instead of down, will still fall, and be just as dead as the firmest believer in it. And that's why I don't do opinions when it comes to any part of reality. And this is an issue about that real God's real law.

Originally Posted by Yorihiko (Post 1766239652)

I'm not going to proclaim any such thing. There was only one Christ. One, not one million. The only REAL Christianity is to follow what that one, real, true, historical and Divine Christ, and what that one, real Christ ACTUALLY did teach.

Welcome to reality. In spite of how badly we wish it were otherwise, it's not a multiple choice affair. It simply is what it is, and those who don't think so are either ignorant or insane. Reality is this mean, nasty, undemocratic, stubborn-as-hell thing that exists all round us, whether we like it or not. Which means unfortunately, I can't just, say... re-invent mathematics, because I find them difficult or unpleasant, or they're not my style, or I'd like something else a lot better. And I can't make them go away, by simply deciding I don't like them or want to believe in them anymore.

Strangely enough, ALL of reality is like this. Now, I know this may be hard for some people to come to terms with but... I'm afraid that since all of us are stuck here in the same "mean, nasty, stubborn, undemocratic" reality... that means NONE of us get to escape it by simply not liking it, re-inventing it in our own heads, disbelieving it, what have you.

Now, Christ was REAL. God is REAL. Horror of horrors, that means He, too, belongs to that category of things that we can't do a darn thing about, and that we can't change by just not liking them, or re-inventing them. And, horror of horrors, even we make up our minds we don't like Him at all... like every other part of reality... He isn't going to disappear either! (GASP!)

What the heck am I going on about? Well, there is only ONE Christ. That is the reality. That REAL Christ founded only ONE, real Church. We're talking HISTORY here, not opinions. REALITY, not gooey emotions. Since Christ was real, and there is only one version of Him, there is only one "version" of what He really did teach. Again, HISTORICALLY. Not what we get when we're daydreaming on the couch after we've had a good meal. This means, horror of horrors, we can NOT invent any other "christ" or any other "version" of Christianity, or what Christ taught, because... HE WAS REAL. >gasp<

"Oh, doesn't this reality business just make you want to kick something?! How can it be so mean?! How can it ignore our personal freedom like this... Oh!" Well... I'm afraid that's just how it is.

Oh gosh... I guess that means there are an awful lot of counterfeit sects out there. Be that as it may, the fact is that in that reality I mentioned before... you know, the one we're all stuck in and can't just change by thinking hard enough... Christ is only what He is, and said only what He really said, and taught only what He really taught, and founded only the one Church He really did start.

I can't help it if a lot of men, hundreds of years after Christ founded His REAL Christianity, came along and decided they didn't like it and claimed to change it. That's called, "denying reality." But I also can't help it that the real article exists, and that it says what it says.

Just as there was only one Christ, there can be only one Christianity. He had one Church, not a million. We can say we don't like what He said, or whine and complain it's too hard to live up to, or try to pretend that by saying whatever we want, the reality changes... but sadly, it doesn't. Just like no other part of reality will change for us on a whim, and just like we can't make up our own "truth" about any other part of reality, and have IT become real.

What my response covers is what I know from THAT Church. (Not a million other churches made by random men later on.)

According to that Church, following it's guidance by the power of reason, the kinds of things suggested by the word "kinky" are prohibited. 1) they are against the godly virtue of chastity... which, for the ignorant, actually does mean more than just not sleeping around outside of marriage, but which rather refers to all behavior modest and proper to a soul belonging to God. 2) the sin of sodom was condemned QUITE explicitly in words along the lines of damnation. 3) anything along the lines of violence are prohibited because of the spirit of the law "thou shalt not kill," which ALSO covers doing any kind of bodily damage (not medical) to ourselves or others, because the body is meant to be the temple of the Holy Ghost.

Those who are familiar with the actual doctrine of that real, historical Christ (as opposed to the ones people invent like an imaginary friend... according to however they like to think of Him) , and the Church HE (not other men, later on) founded, will be able to verify those points. Anyone uncertain as to the accuracy of the doctrine, can read the many books of doctrine of historical antiquity that expound to the laity the teachings of Christ and the Bible about, among other things, matters of Christian purity, in and outside of marriage. Doctrine... not opinion. As in, "what Christ taught," not "what I feel like doing/thinking."

Far from spouting opinions, I couldn't give a rat's behind about opinions, my own, or anyone elses. If I want to get to heaven and not hell, opinions aren't worth a [email protected]#n. (Or rather, that's usually all they ARE worth.) If I want to get to the REAL Christ's REAL heaven, it's not hard for a rational mind to come to the conclusion that it will be on HIS (REAL) terms, and not according to whatever fantasy version of Him or His doctrine I liked best.

Fantasy, lies, errors, opinions... all of them are complete garbage, when it comes to any matter dealing with the reality in which we live. This is real life. Either we get to know reality, or reality kicks our butt. When human garbage smacks up against concrete reality, one of them gives way. And you can bet your bottom that it will be our butt, and not reality, that does the giving way. If everyone else on this earth was fine with living "however they want," and according to whatever garbage they can invent that makes them feel all good and gooey about themselves and their afterlife, that's their affair. For my part, I'm going to do like sane, rational, intelligent people do in every other area of life... look at reality, and go with that, even if it isn't fun, because those are the facts that will get the results.

It always makes me laugh when people say things like "that's just YOUR opinion." Or "that's YOUR choice." How much intelligence does it really take to look at the world around you, figure out that it doesn't change, no matter how we like it (or not), and then decide to do the only intelligent thing any rational person could do... learn the TRUTH, and live with it. Sorry, but... the world that exists around us isn't going to care what the heck we wanted. Everything real is simply what it is. Fantasy is great for having fun. But only an idiot would think of something as stupid as LIVING by it. (Whether it's your fantasy or someone else's.)

The fool who says there is no gravity, or who believes wholeheartedly that it will pull them up instead of down, will still fall, and be just as dead as the firmest believer in it. And that's why I don't do opinions when it comes to any part of reality. And this is an issue about that real God's real law.

Originally Posted by ms wolcott (Post 1766246280)

man why's there all this christian-hating going on? by that i don't mean hating on christians, I mean christians hating christians. or fair-weather christians hating devout christians. you know what i'm saying.

Originally Posted by Liquid Diamond (Post 1766265548)

Just don't end up like my mom. She's a very devoted catholic and has been with my father for well over 30 years... I'm 19, and she comes to -me- for sex advice, or when I say something or a position she'll be like "what's that?" ...seems she's rather boring. Not surprising, her and my dad sleep in seperate bedrooms. (and no, I'm not married. I just choose to have premarital sex).

Good you're looking into it now, so you're not a boring 50-something year old who doesn't even know what "head" is.

Originally Posted by Insomniac (Post 1766271382)

I've heard quite a few celebrity therapists and psychologists state that being kinky is a sign of deep psychological issues, but that's besides the point. Kink is very interesting, to start a relationship in kink may eventually become difficult when feelings grow stronger. You may start to feel bad about what you're doing when your brains starts thinking "I know they enjoy this, but I also know it's physically damaging." Kink is often a really good way for a woman to unleash her sexuality by practising a dominant role in bed.

All things above taken into account and in the context of Christianity I'd have to say the following. Kink can be a great way for a woman to discover a part of herself. It can be an excellent way for a couple to practice trust situations in an enjoyable setting. It can help relieve a lot of stress as long as you can control your own boundaries. It's something that should not be eluded to or discussed with your kids until they are of an adult age and have expressed some interest in the matter. Keep it in private and respectful and there really shouldn't be anything unchristian about it.

Kind of a side note, if you or your partner are ever planning on obtaining a job with a government clearance level there are some pretty heavy restrictions in place regarding kink. If that is likely to ever apply to you then do not publicise your interests online or you may jeopardise career opportunities.

Originally Posted by Panic (Post 1765586792)

(If this topic is to much, please delete it. Thanks!)

Originally Posted by ms wolcott (Post 1766271869)

assuming that women are submissive in bed and that 'kink' is a way to entertain a dominant role is a bit sexist and/or naive. and in your second paragraph you go on to encourage it, despite mentioning "deep psychological issues" in the first paragraph. is there some kind of subtext going on here?

as for a career in government, what, are we running for president? governor? hey wait, we could get a book deal!

Originally Posted by Insomniac (Post 1766284334)

As for career, I have multiple older friends who over their life have had to obtain security clearances. This includes a colleague who worked for NASA in his twenties, a friend who consults for the DHS, and another who had some military involvement in his younger life. Considering part of my work involves security, it wouldn't be unlikely that one day I may be asked to consult in regards to a government matter, and hence need to pass security checks. It would suck to miss out on an interesting opportunity just because a photo ends up floating around the net for instance.

Originally Posted by Readera (Post 1766284743)

This could also apply if like me, you intend to become a teacher, or work with kids. They legaly can't do much, but parents tend to freak out at any mention of sex at school, except for sex ed. Especially if they are younger.

Originally Posted by Insomniac (Post 1766284334)

Excuse me, a bit of context for you. I fall into an age group where relationships with girls from the ages of 18 to 28 are socially acceptable. I can count the number of socially dominant women I've met in that age group on one hand. Out of such women I've not met one who is sexually dominant, understands burlesque or is anywhere near comfortable with their sexuality. I have however met women a little older than that who are extremely sexually dominant, but alas kink for those I'm privy to dating generally does not go anywhere near dominant experience without a large helping of education first. So no, I would not call my comments sexist or naive, but purely based on experience. Also just because the experts have a disdain for it doesn't mean I'm prohibited from suggesting otherwise even with partial agreement in some situations.

As for career, I have multiple older friends who over their life have had to obtain security clearances. This includes a colleague who worked for NASA in his twenties, a friend who consults for the DHS, and another who had some military involvement in his younger life. Considering part of my work involves security, it wouldn't be unlikely that one day I may be asked to consult in regards to a government matter, and hence need to pass security checks. It would suck to miss out on an interesting opportunity just because a photo ends up floating around the net for instance.