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Bandit of Love 11-13-2009 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sen Lee (Post 1765633748)
Hitler was actually a very good artist. The problem was that those classical art schools were VERY specific about what they expected, and his human figures were just not perfect enough for them. You should look up his paintings on Google, though. They are pretty.

He did have a God complex, and was rather unstable. Gotta love him, he was a mental case, ne? But you gotta give him credit. As I said, he didn't actually fit into the perfect race that he envisioned. Perfection was blond hair, blue eyes... he was brown on both ends, if I recall.

Actually I believe Hitler was Jewish himself.

Sen Lee 11-13-2009 02:16 AM

I have heard that he was Jewish, but I'm not sure if he was or not. I figure that even if he was born Jewish, considering his mental state, he abandoned the faith.

Bandit of Love 11-13-2009 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sen Lee (Post 1765633792)
I have heard that he was Jewish, but I'm not sure if he was or not. I figure that even if he was born Jewish, considering his mental state, he abandoned the faith.

This may be true, however he didn't allow those who had also abandoned the faith to be free as he was, which just further proves his distressed mental state.

Jakeasaurus Rex 11-13-2009 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by hannahM1Lwinsor (Post 1765633765)
Jake- The saddest fact is that I think you truly believe what you are saying, (not to say that you are wrong) and that we do seem to be decreasing in intelligence as the years go by, or at least the morals of society seem to be declining.

And yes, there are a lot of hypocritical people in the world who put up a facade and pretend to be "good" people. But admit to it or not there are truly good people in the world, well let me word it this way. Since good and bad don't seem to be to your liking. There are people out there that are for the better meant of mankind not simply themselves.

I also would like to say that I respect your intellect, and opinion.

As I respect yours. Your rebuttals are not like others who scorn, but put forth effort in facts.

Anyway. Im not saying society is better off without these morals or rules. ANd I am one of the biggest hypocrites I know, but i do my hypocrisy for good. For I dont believe people should think like I do, and have the knowledge that I do. It'll erupt in disorder and chaos. I just know that really there is no boundary to what we can do. The only thing is people can stop us dur to the force and many people it ha, so to de so freely would be reckless and stupid. I would actually kill for fun if I could, but Im smarter than that. I know I have no power against the law its advanced and odds are 1 against many. Their power exceeds mine by far. Power is everything, but I am not power hungry. I dont seek it.I dont even like it.

hannahM1Lwinsor 11-13-2009 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakeasaurus Rex (Post 1765633719)
Well Morals are made up feelings. They exist I understand that. I dont know how to explain my real meaning. I come off as a bad person to people because I dont believe in goodness of the people. It doesnt make me bad. I have mindset that I can kill anyone I want to, and I shouldnt have to be punished for it just because someone else doesnt like it. But would I? No of course not. The world is not fair yet we try to make it Fair. Fairness to one always differes between fairness. Our race cant accept that everythings not fair simply because we are teh species that is the most productive so we rule, and we have feelings. Feelings get in the way.

Actually you really don't come off as a bad person. It is understandable, and agreeable that feelings or emotions sometimes do get in the way of progress. But it is what makes us "stereotypical" humans, meaning we are ruled by emotions.

But I mean is that really so wrong? To put higher value on one life over another is being arrogant. Maybe not intentionally but it is. The truth of the matter is the supreme law "the strong survive" is subjective nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Jakeasaurus Rex (Post 1765633843)
As I respect yours. Your rebuttals are not like others who scorn, but put forth effort in facts.

Anyway. Im not saying society is better off without these morals or rules. ANd I am one of the biggest hypocrites I know, but i do my hypocrisy for good. For I dont believe people should think like I do, and have the knowledge that I do. It'll erupt in disorder and chaos. I just know that really there is no boundary to what we can do. The only thing is people can stop us dur to the force and many people it ha, so to de so freely would be reckless and stupid. I would actually kill for fun if I could, but Im smarter than that. I know I have no power against the law its advanced and odds are 1 against many. Their power exceeds mine by far. Power is everything, but I am not power hungry. I dont seek it.I dont even like it.

I thank you for that.

You seem like someone who has reasons to there beliefs, intelligent reasons, no matter what the hypocrisy of the beliefs are.
There really isn't a boundary to what we can accomplish, we are our only limitations.

Jakeasaurus Rex 11-13-2009 02:33 AM

The Strong survive Is Life.
You notice that Runts and other defective animals were supposed to die. Because they were weak they couldnt help it, but thats all it came down to. And by helping the weak is a decline.
The best example I have is this. Say you're ina group of people and you're getting chased by a bear. one stumbles or one cant run as fast and he is left. He's fucked. yet if someone goes back and tries to help him, yeah he is considered to be the better man but he doomed himself as well. If teh whole cumminity helped them they are a step back from where they want to be. The person who keeps running will get away. Thats just how it is. The Weak were meant to be disposed of. Sure it sucks but thats life.

lilsmittytheBEAST 11-13-2009 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakeasaurus Rex (Post 1765632868)
Your views on Nazism and Hitler.

I for one think Hitler was a great man. Smart in his own way and a hero. SOme things were dumb but I think he did some cool shit.

Leave it to Jake to bring up Hitler :P

hannahM1Lwinsor 11-13-2009 02:41 AM

True and concise. That was how nature intended for things, but as humans we believe we are exempt from this, well at least our arrogance leads us to this conclusion. I for one personally, am glad for human arrogance... in this case at least.

Samona 11-13-2009 02:46 AM

I read a autobiography of hitlers life and he was very intelligent and charismatic and at one point in his life he liked the Jews, then when he was caught at an antigovernment protest in his teens organized by his frinds who happened to be jewish he got sentenced tp 9 yrs in german prison and he pretty much went nuts(his friends were only sentenced to 6 months) and started out blaming his friends which by the time he was released turned into a hatred of all Jews due to a mental breakdown in his 4th year in prison. In other words Germany created thier own monster....

Jakeasaurus Rex 11-13-2009 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Samona (Post 1765634181)
I read a autobiography of hitlers life and he was very intelligent and charismatic and at one point in his life he liked the Jews, then when he was caught at an antigovernment protest in his teens organized by his frinds who happened to be jewish he got sentenced tp 9 yrs in german prison and he pretty much went nuts(his friends were only sentenced to 6 months) and started out blaming his friends which by the time he was released turned into a hatred of all Jews due to a mental breakdown in his 4th year in prison. In other words Germany created thier own monster....

Not only that but he targeted a race no one cared for. That was smart. If you look throughout history the Jews have always been the most hated race.

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Originally Posted by hannahM1Lwinsor (Post 1765634108)
True and concise. That was how nature intended for things, but as humans we believe we are exempt from this, well at least our arrogance leads us to this conclusion. I for one personally, am glad for human arrogance... in this case at least.

Yeah. We are too inventive, and we try to control it. Which isnt bad to me. Its good to be innovative. the only thing is if we didnt treat these diseases, and if we let the people who had them die, the disease would run out. But now its too late for some because the more we try to cure it and keep people who have it alive then we're prolonging it.

Samona 11-13-2009 02:52 AM

Actually historically the most hated race has been the Irish, religously you are correct but I do not think it was wise to target them since Hitler was part Jewish(little known fact) I think he just decided to play the blame game and lost his mind in the process..

Jakeasaurus Rex 11-13-2009 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Samona (Post 1765634262)
Actually historically the most hated race has been the Irish, religously you are correct but I do not think it was wise to target them since Hitler was part Jewish(little known fact) I think he just decided to play the blame game and lost his mind in the process..

Little Known fact? Everyone knows he was xD

Anyway. I dont think he was insane at all. Well he did have medical problems, but he still knew what he was doing. And he pointed the finger at a easily hateable race and everyone was like YEEEAH D< HES RIGHT D<

Scarling Zombie 11-13-2009 05:53 AM

I'm bias.
My great grandmother was killed in a gas chamber.

monstahh` 11-13-2009 06:16 AM

Hitler had brilliant charisma or he'd have been unable to command such a large group of people.
However he was sick and twisted.

Excuse you? "Easily hate-able"? Wtf did the Jewish people ever do to you?
>.>

Melissa 11-13-2009 06:27 AM

Honestly he was a horrible man and I wouldn't be caught dead singing his praises saying he was a great artist - who cares? He killed MILLIONS of people.

Jews 5.9 million
Soviet POWs 2–3 million
Ethnic Poles 1.8–2 million
Romani 220,000–1,500,000
Disabled 200,000–250,000
Homosexuals 5,000–15,000
Jehovah's Witnesses 2,500–5,000

The US didn't get in the war in the beginning because we couldn't afford to go to war and nobody really knew what was going on in the camps because few people escaped to talk about it.

Hilter was evil. He was jewish and obviously wasn't blue eyed or blonde. He should have been in one of his gas chambers himself.

jupiter 11-13-2009 06:45 AM

I think you're disillusioned. Hitler's regime was grotesque; a permanent scar in history that can never be reconciled.

anaiira 11-13-2009 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakeasaurus Rex (Post 1765634002)
The Strong survive Is Life.
You notice that Runts and other defective animals were supposed to die. Because they were weak they couldnt help it, but thats all it came down to. And by helping the weak is a decline.
The best example I have is this. Say you're ina group of people and you're getting chased by a bear. one stumbles or one cant run as fast and he is left. He's fucked. yet if someone goes back and tries to help him, yeah he is considered to be the better man but he doomed himself as well. If teh whole cumminity helped them they are a step back from where they want to be. The person who keeps running will get away. Thats just how it is. The Weak were meant to be disposed of. Sure it sucks but thats life.

I love you (not in a weird way). Because you said the principles of Darwinism. And I support that for man kind. It's logically sound.
However, that's not how it works in real life man. We don't kill old people, terminally ill, cancer patients, or the generally disabled, even though they are the "weakest link". What you propose ends up letting them die anyway.

... Question, how does this relate to Hitler? There's no argument for that ALL Jews are inferior people, that they're defective and basically fail because of their ethnicity.

My view on Hitler? Nothing justifies the genocide of 6 million people. What if one of the six million were you? Or a close friend? Or family?

Do you know 6 million people? I don't.

Nalah Sin 11-13-2009 01:10 PM

The art school is guilty of turning Hitler into a political leader? Authorities are guilty of turning him into a monster? He himself was a great man?

I think I feel terribly sick right now...

Bandit of Love 11-14-2009 02:56 AM

I'm not saying I like him or what he did, personally, but looking at it from a distance, he wielded his power cunningly if not slyly. Yes, it was bad, but we are only critiquing him on his leadership skills. I mean it takes a great leader to lead thousands to kill millions of innocent people. Yes he was a monster but he was a genius. Wouldn't it take a genius to turn you against your friends, neighbors, teachers, and loved ones?

Kar-In-A-Box 11-14-2009 05:14 AM

Really Jake?
Really?
xD
Anyway, I agree with you. Hitler was VERY passionate and a great leader.
He motivated an entire country and went from being an unknown man to a great leader (Fuhrer)
But yeah, his methods kinda sorta failed in the end
xD

smexy.buddah 11-14-2009 06:37 AM

You know, I've come to enjoy this site more and more <3 XD
Well, like many of the people here, I, too, think that Hitler had a great strategical mind. He really COULD have taken over the world. I mean, half the world lives over the sea near Europe and Germany. He was halfway through taking that continent over. And once he was through there, the only major power left, really, would have been America (i think thats right...) and I don't think we could have stood alone against him.

The thing about Hitler that scares me, though, isn't that he had no morals or envisioned a world without certain ethnic groups. It really just that he was born. I mean, what will I do if he's reincarnated or someone who's like him pops up? We barely made it the first time. . .

monstahh` 11-14-2009 07:28 AM

We had Einstein.
Who was a Jew, I might add.
Who helped create the atom bomb.
We would have pwn'd them had it come to that.
However all of Europe would have become radioactive and we couldn't step foot there for a million years or so.
:B

Nalah Sin 11-14-2009 10:54 AM

Yes, it takes a great man and genius leader to rally up a mob during a time when people where dying like flies, the country lied in ruins and everybody was longing for both a scapegoat and someone the lead them back to their former glory...

Even Seinfeld could have done the same had he been there at the time...

Queen Fool 11-14-2009 04:39 PM

I don't think killing Jews or trying to create a master race was exactly his best idea, morally speaking. However he did do some great things for Germany and was definetly very clever.


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