You (and by you, not you personally, I hope) are not feeling as if a burned has been lifted; you are prancing about on a parade like it's the fourth of July. I've seen the news. It disgusted me. And that man was innocent too, then. He never personally killed anyone, I'm sure. He had other men to do his bidding, but he himself did not kill. I understand the relief. I do not understand the happiness.
You (and by you, not you personally, I hope) are not feeling as if a burned has been lifted; you are prancing about on a parade like it's the fourth of July. I've seen the news. It disgusted me. And that man was innocent too, then. He never personally killed anyone, I'm sure. He had other men to do his bidding, but he himself did not kill. I understand the relief. I do not understand the happiness.
Neither did hitler. But he still orderd the deaths of 6 million men, women, and children. And I don't remember anyone being sad over his death either.
Neuza, without being a part of our country, you can't even begin to understand why we're celebrating, and it's not because of a death, but because of renewed hope of pulling our troops out. Are you UK, by any chance? It'd be the difference between you celebrating Guy Fawkes' death, and celebrating the fact that parliament DIDN'T actually get blown up.
For everyone else, I found this video particularly interesting, especially the last thirty seconds or so, when an expert on AQ talks about why she doesn't believe retaliation is imminent - or at least, why it won't work.
Kraven: Nobody paraded his death either. Learn to understand what I'm typing.
And no, I can't begin to understand why you're celebrating the death of a man. That's what I've been saying. I'm pretty sure just because he died your troops won't be coming home immediatly. My point still applies that that parade that's been going on is a terrible act, terrible from all points of view. It's inhumane, and it's no better than actually killing.
You (and by you, not you personally, I hope) are not feeling as if a burned has been lifted; you are prancing about on a parade like it's the fourth of July. I've seen the news. It disgusted me. And that man was innocent too, then. He never personally killed anyone, I'm sure. He had other men to do his bidding, but he himself did not kill. I understand the relief. I do not understand the happiness.
Thats like saying hitler wasn't the cause of the Holocaust... Hitler never actually killed anyone but he was the reason millions died...:/
And we are celebrating because the thousands of people who have been effected by him can now have some relief knowing he is dead. He is a killer, and deserved to die.
Why is everyone going all Godwin's Law on me? You know, I saw that parade on the news. The expression on people's faces was not relief; it was happiness, excitement, and there was no ~mysterious~ meaning behind it. It is celebrating the death of a human.
... Are we seriously trying Godwin's law to advantage and comparing him to Hitler? Granted they both were highly wanted men, but that's about where it stops.
Osama=Hitler is about the same comparison as Pearl Harbor=Japan Earthquake. There's so many differences that they can't be compared.
It might be a relief, Bartuc, but it's a disgusting one. It's still parading the death of a human being, and I'm pretty sure if I paraded on 9/11 this year you wouldn't be very happy with it.
So, would you had preferred we sent him "Get well soon" Flowers when we found out he had a doctor by his side the last 8 years?
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... Are we seriously trying Godwin's law to advantage and comparing him to Hitler? Granted they both were highly wanted men, but that's about where it stops.
Please explain the difference. Both had organized geneocide planned out. Both wanted specific groups of people annihilated. Both wanted to control groups of people/the world through fear and destruction. Please explain why you believe there is a difference?
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Nobody paraded his death either. Learn to understand what I'm typing.
It is hard to understand your method of thought for a couple reasons. Biggest one being you are not from America. I am sure if he killed thousands of people from your country, you guys would have had your relief period. However, considering the fact the Portugal (your country) has also participated in the war in Afghanistan since 2005 and the Portuguese have lost people as well during this (the reason Afghanistan was invaded being this guy) I am quite surprised you are so against the way certain people responded to it.
Please also bear the massive Parade was held in New Year down in Time Square area. What happened there 10 years ago? Well, I dont recall it too much but if I remember right it was covered in Ashes for several months.
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Seriously guys, history books.
:rofl: Did you go to college right after high school?
Oh please, Bartuc, not the false dilemma thing. That always gets on my nerves. This is not a "either you're with me or against me" thing. I'm not baaawing over the fact that he's dead. I'm not mourning the guy either, for fuck's sakes. But I sure as hell am not going to dance on his bloody grave because I'm not a blithering idiot and I don't find it acceptable to party all the way 'til Sunday because a human being died. Excuse my morales, clearly I should throw them all out the window.
As for the Osama =/= Hitler thing... Well for once, gasp shockers but Hitler actually thought he was doing a good thing by getting rid of the jews. Osama was defending his religion, a god, not humans. Hitler didn't want to control the world, he wanted to breed a new race and create a better world. Osama probably thought everyone but him was going to hell anyway, so hey, might as well do us in now; who likes to wait anyway? And you know, Hitler died ages ago. Like, ages. Osama died two weeks ago. Sounds pretty different to me.
And as for bringing my country into this... I really don't even. Seriously.
Actually never mind, I just got what you were trying to say. Because my country fought in the war because of that guy, I should be glad he's dead. Thus putting my country above my morales. Yeah. I don't do that.
Both had organized genocide planned out. Both wanted specific groups of people annihilated. Both wanted to control groups of people/the world through fear and destruction.
That must have been an extremely sloppy plan. Sure, crashing a plane through a building and a few suicide bombers definitely killed every American in existence. Also their current plan sure did a good job of defeating Israel. Either that's completely wrong, or they have horrible strategists.
Hitler wanted the world under control to breed a better world. He almost got it from Germany. Germany is smaller than the complete Middle East, which would have either been taken by force or recruited easily if that was their intention.
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Oh please, Bartuc, not the false dilemma thing. That always gets on my nerves. This is not a "either you're with me or against me" thing. I'm not baaawing over the fact that he's dead. I'm not mourning the guy either, for fuck's sakes. But I sure as hell am not going to dance on his bloody grave because I'm not a blithering idiot and I don't find it acceptable to party all the way 'til Sunday because a human being died. Excuse my morales, clearly I should throw them all out the window.
Oh, so I am a blithering idiot for celebrating? Well, I am sorry for being EXCITED at the fact that piece of shit is dead. When YOU have gone and done something for YOUR country and have carried YOUR friends on a plane to go home in caskets. When YOU have watched people die at the beliefs of these people. Then come back and spit your accusations at me. Until then, please shut the fuck up and go back to your make believe land of peace, happiness and blissful naivety.
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As for the Osama =/= Hitler thing... Well for once, gasp shockers but Hitler actually thought he was doing a good thing by getting rid of the jews. Osama was defending his religion, a god, not humans.
You're a fucking idiot. How about you actually read the Koran, look at what the Taliban/Al Qeada were actually doing. Then come back to this statement. Preferably the literal translation, not the 5th-line translation. I know the difference. I read both. I read it twice on my deployment for that matter.
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Hitler didn't want to control the world, he wanted to breed a new race and create a better world. Osama probably thought everyone but him was going to hell anyway, so hey, might as well do us in now; who likes to wait anyway? And you know, Hitler died ages ago. Like, ages. Osama died two weeks ago. Sounds pretty different to me.
Make a 'new breed' with what he constituted as 'right.' Under his belief system. In which anyone who opposed him (helped the jews in anyway) had them executed.
Osama wanted to punish (by sending to hell) anyone that didnt believe in his belief system.
Yeah, you are right. There is nothing similar at all.
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And as for bringing my country into this... I really don't even. Seriously.
I noticed. You seem to be going off what the newspapers say. Sounds about the actual knowledge anyone has on this matter.
:D So because I said I'm not a blithering idiot, that means everyone else is? Clearly. There's only black and white, after all. Don't ad hominem me, please.
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I noticed. You seem to be going off what the newspapers say. Sounds about the actual knowledge anyone has on this matter.
Awwwright! My morales = the media! Oh I see what you did there. You know what dear? Carry on. Please by all means do. After all, because I don't pee standing up like you do, that must mean I don't know how to go to the bathroom at all. Nice debating skills.
That must have been an extremely sloppy plan. Sure, crashing a plane through a building and a few suicide bombers definitely killed every American in existence. Also their current plan sure did a good job of defeating Israel. Either that's completely wrong, or they have horrible strategists.
Hitler wanted the world under control to breed a better world. He almost got it from Germany. Germany is smaller than the complete Middle East, which would have either been taken by force or recruited easily if that was their intention.
A few? A fucking few? Jesus fucking christ. Do any of you actually know what happened in the middle east? Have any of you been paying attention at all? Seeing the leaked pictures and videos that have been on the internet from Iraq and Afghanistan? Neither of you have seen the amount of bloodshed period over this for this little 'unorganized' belief. The fact that you guys are arguing that Osama's organization he has lead since 1992 had no real impact on anything.
I am at a loss for words. The lack of care anyone has for what is going on over there. =/ Maybe, I am just the only person who cares enough to know what happened. What can be expected when I still have friends and family over there at all given points.
I am done with this discussion. You people who want to deframe they way people handle situations. Your actual lack of care for what is even going on there as well as the assumptions. I have officially now just lost all hope for my own country and their care for their own people.
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:D So because I said I'm not a blithering idiot, that means everyone else is? Clearly. There's only black and white, after all. Don't ad hominem me, please.
Nope. You clearly said:
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But I sure as hell am not going to dance on his bloody grave because I'm not a blithering idiot and I don't find it acceptable to party all the way 'til Sunday because a human being died.
Which since I was one of those people who celebrated when I heard about it. You instantly classified that. Which is why I directed my statement to myself.
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Awwwright! My morales = the media! Oh I see what you did there. You know what dear? Carry on. Please by all means do. After all, because I don't pee standing up like you do, that must mean I don't know how to go to the bathroom at all. Nice debating skills.
Morales no. Knowledge on the entire middle-east situation yes.
And as for bringing my country into this... I really don't even. Seriously.
Actually never mind, I just got what you were trying to say. Because my country fought in the war because of that guy, I should be glad he's dead. Thus putting my country above my morales. Yeah. I don't do that.
I won't make the Hitler comparison, but be reasonable. Guy Fawkes. You celebrate his death every year. Why? Because it was good for your goddamn country. Be logical. The only reason you're THIS hostile towards a specific country is the reason EVERYONE seems to hate America. People in power will always be disliked. In another decade, you won't hate us so much and you'll hate China instead.
Anaxilea, I'm Portuguese, not British. We don't celebrate anyone's death, actually, and yes, that ritual in itself is ridiculous as well. I'm not a hypocrite. If I celebrated that ritual, I wouldn't be this unsatisfied with America's behaviour. I'm not hostile towards your country, but the parade. How is that hard to understand? I agree with the satisfaction you all felt, but not that blatant public display of arrogance towards a life. I mean, being glad it's all over? Yes, fine, good. Waving flags, chanting, laughing? No.
I found out from my best friend the minate it aired, I think its a good thing! hes finally gone! though Obama had nothing to do with it like people are saying. it was the navy (or whatever) that killed him not Obama
Just to try and clear things up, I'm pretty sure Osama Bin Laden was considered a "radical" and most Muslims actually disagree with what he preached because he was batshit crazy.
I don't know much about the Quran, but, that's what I've heard time and time again from people who I consider very educated on world religions.
The reason why he was so appealing to so many (I'm speculating, at least), is because the middle east has been in great turmoil for a long time, and lot of people are frustrated with the way that they're living.
I also am not celebrating his death, but, it's not because I don't think it's a big deal, but moreso because it doesn't change anything in the long run: Someone else is just going to step into his place.
Well, that and I don't really believe in celebrating anyone's death. I've lost a lot of family, and I remember at my father's memorial someone saying something about his anger. I kicked them in the shins and told then, "You don't speak ill of the dead!"
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I found out while eating Breakfast...
My friend walked into the kitchen and started ranting about how he wasn't really dead and spewing all of the conspiricy theories that she'd heard on Facebook....
I just shrugged and continued eating my Toast.
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Strangely....
I don't really care about Osama Bin Laden anymore.
The war is either over or there's going to be a mass rebelion from Alquadea.
There really isn't anything else that I have to add to the subject...
I heard about it through Twitter, that same night.
Because I wasn't directly affected by 9/11, his death didn't have too much of an impact for me, but I am glad he's dead. I know it's a relief to a lot of people.
I don't think a parade should speak for the majority, but they have that freedom to feel how they want.
My main source of sadness is that this man has taken so much of our time and emotion.
He was a spiritual figurehead for a perverted translation of Islam. There are a few other notable names, all war criminals, some of whom have better military prowess than Osama Bin Laden did.
I would be more concerned with the Bin Laden family, actually. They're personal friends of the Bush family, and have had a big hand in some of the military strife in these third-world countries. There's the second idea that Pakistan might need to be examined for its role in the harboring of criminals as well. From what I've heard, the Taliban won't be able to rise back to its former status without someone who could compete with Osama in terms of charismatic leadership. Many middle eastern countries are starting to open up to the world--at least its youth is--and it makes it harder for terrorist groups to really have a diluted religious stranglehold.
In short, I think this was like getting rid of the poster boy for the group. There are still other ringleaders.
