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Javi	06-08-2007 05:59 AM

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I am kind of just floating out in the world, I have no religion, although I was raised Christian, I drifted away, & I would be filled with Shame if I became christian, I don't follow rules easily, I tend to be more on the Pagan side, but, I don't know. I don't want to claim i'm a certain religion, if im not. I practice what I want, when i want.

You kinda influenced my opinion on Religion, you drifted me away from God alittle, with that thing you said, which I mentioned in my post, about I don't want to follow something that turns out to not exsist in the end.

Mmm, sorry, if it's a bad thing. I know your parents wouldnt exactly approve :P
Well, you can either follow a religion your whole life, christianity being very strict with rules, & hard to follow in the immoral world we live in today, or you can have the kinda fun everyone else is having, you can cuss, drink, be any sexuality, divorce, steal, & die happy. You have a chance of goign to hell afterwards though after, lol. Or what would suck worse, is if you followed a religion your whole life, & some totally different religion was the true one.

Yeah, and then go to their perseption of hell. :o

IshokuOsero

06-08-2007 06:15 AM

I'd still consider you to be a Christian. I'm one myself, and I flick people off and cuss up storms daily. xD I get into verbal fights more often than physical, but either way it's mostly with my parents. Respecting my mother and father are quite low on my list, I can't help it because I was brought up to hate them basically. But that's a longer, more personal story that doesn't need to be told.

But everyone commits sins of some sort, it's just up to the person to confess and repent at least to the Lord. I do that, so I figure I'm alright. I mean, doesn't it say in the Bible that you just need to believe Jesus died for our sins and believe and love God, and you're pretty much home free? That's what I got out of my three or so years of church (back when my family actually went when I was younger), but correct me if I'm wrong about that. xP

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-08-2007 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Reinfire

Everyone's human. Everyone messes up sometimes, or depending on our mood and the situation, a lot. What matters is what you believe, cause if we went by actions, I don't think any of us would live up to Christianity (or any other religion, come to think of it).

Yeah. Everyone does have good and bad days. I suppose that what we believe is what really counts in the end. We all screw up sometimes. Shit happens =3

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-08-2007 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dinozaur

I can relate to this.

I believe in God... but I don't like church, and I want to be myself.

People should accept you for who you are <3

It's not really an issue of people accepting me because I could care less to what my pastor or parents think of me. They don't have a right to judge me :3. But yeah, church can sometimes be a pain Dx

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-08-2007 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Doofus Soda

Don't worry, I believe in God also, and I swear.

I also hate going to church, and how people think that going to church makes you a 'better person'.

Everyone makes fun of people once in a while, and we've committed at least one of the seven sins before. We've all been greedy at some point in time.

And I lie a lot too. d: I mean, I don't like it, but then again I don't think before I talk that often.

As long as you believe in God and are committed to the church, you're Christian. You can be something that tells you not to do something you do. No one should stop you from what you want to do, because it's your own life. Even if people are trying to help guide you.

Yeah. From all the posts I read, it seems as if the dream of a perfect Christian will not become a reality. We're all humans. We all give in to earthly temptations at one point or another. I'm beginning to see that it matters moreso if you're willing to repent for what you've done. It's about having faith and asking for forgiveness. I should go with my judgement and certain religous teachings. Or, at least that's my opinion currently at least xP

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-08-2007 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rvaya

Ohh this is a touchie subject...
Here is what I have to say, being a Christian and being a nice person do not always go hand in hand.
It really depends on what you consider being a Christian is. If you believe in God and take to heart the fundemental beliefs of your church then to an extent you are. But then again if you really did care about the fundemental beliefs that make your religion would you be cursing, breaking the sins knowing it and not doing anything to stop yourself?

What I try to do is police myself against the Bible not against a religion itself because all religions are flawed in some way or another.

I think, "Would I do this if God was right here with me?" Or would I be feeling regret and asshamed of what I just did? So try thinking about that and see if anything changes.

Just know in the end God is your only judge not a human and be glad for that cause all of us here are not without sin.

Well, for sure, I'm not what people refer to as the model Christian or anything. But it's not that I purposefully curse and whatnot. It just happens I guess. It's not like I don't repent or anything >__>. I like that idea. I do in fact, occasionally ask myself if I would still do something if God was there. Because in actuality, he is. But I don't feel like I'm some demon child or anything. I think about what I do. Sometimes I regret it, sometimes I think I deserve a break :S

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-08-2007 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Caeluma

you are a christian not one of the best I have seen but if you truely believe whe the christian faith says even if you don't follow it exactly then you are a christian. You don't have to go to church or like church some to be christian it's all what you believe.

=3 Thanks. But yeah, it seems like the faith you have in God is all that really matters. And it doesn't seem like you need certain things to prove it. It'll probably help, but it might not make a huge impact on it. Something like that =P

Lelouch

06-08-2007 08:23 AM

I don't particularly care really if people who "sin" call them Christians too....what really bothers me the most is when so-called Christians bash other people for their beliefs or what have you. I hate hypocrites and I know soooo many hypocritical "Christians" here in the South.

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-08-2007 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Yir

you're a Christian and you flipped someone off?
wow your going to hell

xD Haha. You're either flowing with sarcasm or very 'to the point' >__>. I think going to hell for that is a bit pushing it honestly. But you entitled to your own opinions =3

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-08-2007 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinspiration

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Originally Posted by Yir

you're a Christian and you flipped someone off?
wow your going to hell

I was waiting for one of these to show up xD how sad... If we want a preacher, we'll ask for one, mkay? xP

Haha. You're quite open about what you think n__n

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-08-2007 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Lady Arucard

I don't believe that it is someone actions that makes their religion, it's what they believe in. The hardcore Christians are the ones that act like saints..

Yup. And as you can see, I'm not exactly 'hardcore Christian' >.> . But I guess it is moreso what you believe over the things you do. So, it's okay to live freely then...? Confused much x]

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-08-2007 09:35 AM

Update =O

'Kay. So first off, I'd like to thank everyone who posted in here <3. All your thoughts and opinions are quite appreciated. I love seeing all the different viewpoints. I mean, all the opinions seriously vary =3. Keep up the posting everybody ^__^. I'll respond to more posts later. I want to go to sleep now Dx . This thread is really helping me to see all sides of the way I am in many different way n___n.

"Because the world, will never take my heart"

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-09-2007 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardania

I'm a Christian, Lutheran if you want to be more precise. And as a Lutheran, I've always been taught that as long as you believe in the Lord and put your faith in him, then you are saved. In other words, no matter how many times you sin, you are still a Christian. He won't reject you if you're not "perfect." I know some other Christian faiths teach differently, but I don't believe you have to be perfect and do no wrong in order to be considered a Christian. Hell, I curse sometimes too (hehe) and I know I do things that are way less than Christian-like. But I usually ask God to forgive those "sins" and I still have my faith in him at the end of every day.

Also, where in the bible does it say, "Thou shalt not flip the bird"? (Yes, I added this for laughs. I'm going to hell, haha)

Lutheran...Hm, my cousin is that too xD. Yeah, I mean it's not like God expets us to be perfect, we're all only human. I guess asking for forgiveness and repenting is the main thing, more than what you actually did. And as long as you believe in him and trust him, will get you farther in life I think.

Lawl. Nice x]

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-09-2007 01:39 AM

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I wanna go to hell for a reason. I like snow. Now why, people ask, do I want to go to hell when I like snow? The answer is simple, no-one ever talks about Heaven freezing over, and if theres so much clutter about "Hell freezing over," I wanna be there to see it, because when it freezes over, there will be snow, and we can teach Satan the wonders of making Snow Angels, x3

XD

I always believed that hell is different for everyone. Like in the movie "Little Nicky." For example, my version of hell would be to get locked up in a room with Paris Hilton for all eternity. *shudders*

Sinspiration: Haha. The irony of hell freezing over and showing Satan snow angels xD. Snow's pretty cool though 8D
Cardania: Yuck. Paris Hilton for all eternity...I assume she would die at one point or another though =3. But until then, it'd be pretty dreadful x___x

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-09-2007 01:43 AM

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I always believed that hell is different for everyone. Like in the movie "Little Nicky." For example, my version of hell would be to get locked up in a room with Paris Hilton for all eternity. *shudders*

Hey Cardania, would she would walk around in fire and tar going "Thats hawwwwt!"? xD
(</tangent>)

I kind of want to go to hell... heaven seems so boring. Its the bad stuff in life that leads to excitement, and frankly, heaven sounds like perpetual life on Xanax. Not something I'd enjoy.
I believe that as long as you expect to get into heaven, you'll go there. That seems to be pretty good criteria. :3

I had a conversation with my friend about that. Limitations=</3. But still, everything is so perfect in heaven. But I guess it's moreso considered clean fun =3. But I'm not sure about that last part >__<. Wishing I'll get there might not if I do bad stuff and don't repent my whole life D':

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-09-2007 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by EvanStone

To be Christian is to believe in Christ. Just because you do those things doesn't mean you don't believe in Christ. Now more pasific religions don't allow you to do those things, but yeah, you're Christian.

Hmm, I do suppose so :3. So I basically learned that...
BELIEF > SINS

Makes sense to me n___n

Moonlight Silver

06-09-2007 01:47 AM

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Lutherans FTW. It's probably my most favorite Christian denomination (though, I'm a bit biased since I'm Lutheran. ). Basically, what I've gotten out of my teachings in the Lutheran church is that you can do WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT, and still go to heaven (except maybe something insane like murder or rape?). So I curse, skip church, never pray, sin, etc etc all the time without worrying about my future after I die. Heck, I even don't believe in the Bible half the time, and I still think I'm going to heaven! It's pretty darn nice, if you ask me. =D

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-09-2007 01:50 AM

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I believe that as long as you expect to get into heaven, you'll go there. That seems to be pretty good criteria. :3

Wow so if someone goes off and kills hundreds of people but still expects to go to heaven they will huh? Interesting...
I don't really think heaven would be any different earth or hell if that were true.

And yes, I do believe that if someone killed off hundreds of people, they would still be eligible for forgiveness and redemption AS LONG AS THEY BELIEVED. Usually those impulses are physiological or psychological, and after treatment, a lot of killers can reflect on what it was they did wrong. So, yes, I do stand by what I said. :)

But you didn't say any of that before n_~ It didn't matter if they were sorry or not.

Mesic: I actually completely agree with you now. Considering God will always forgive you for your sins as long as you come to him for forgiveness and you really mean it and are truly sorry for what you've done :]

Rvaya: I'm pretty sure it does matter if your sorry or not. Because if you don't repent and ask for forgiveness then what you did was wrong. If not, as long as you keep faith and admit you're truly sorry then you're probably fine =3

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-09-2007 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Donna

Being a Christian doesn't mean you're supposed to be pure of sin, but it means you want to try not to. To me, it's as long as you believe in the religion, you're a Christian. :/

So it seems being a Christian is moreso having faith and attempting not to screw up and asking for forgiveness on what you did wrong =3. It looks like believing in god is and showing what you believe in proudly is a common opinion from what I've read so far. And honestly, it makes a lot of sense to me =D.

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-09-2007 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuba

warning, the following consists of mostly my personal opinion.
yep, your a christian! well ,mostly.
christians are the people who force everyone to go to their church, and tell them they have to belive a certain way and do certain things. and then most of the people dont even do them.

this one pastor guy at the one church i went to vacation bible school at a few times was a pedophile with a foot fetish. :D
he put us all in a dark room, told us to shut up and look forward, and then washed our feet. XD he found some way to relate it to jesus or something. oh well. free foot wash. -shrug-

First off, I'd like to use this moment to tell everyone your honest opinion is a GOOD thing :]. The point of this thread was to see what people really thought without trying to bias their opinion if they actually knew me as a person in real life. Then the opinions wouldn't be as true as they really are >:l . Anyways...

I actually don't force people into my church >__>. In fact I tell them the truth. Church can sometimes be a drag. But it's an amazing thing sometimes I think ;].

As for your story, that's a bit creepy O-O. I'd like to know how a free foot wash has anything to do with God xD. Although I remember someone washing Jesus' feet in one of the bible stories =3

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-09-2007 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormy Addiction

I used to believe that just believing in God guaranteed you were a Christian and therefore, guaranteed your entrance into Heaven.

WRONG.

I was blinded back then, and I had the scales peeled off of my eyes to finally see what being a true Christian is. Please don't take offense, but from the things you've listed, I don't think you are a true Christian. Here's why:

The Bible says in Matthew 7:15-19, "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."

In other words, what you say you've been doing -- cursing, fighting, etc., are examples of bad fruit. A good tree (a Christian) cannot bear bad fruit. Also, you will know a person is a Christian from their works. Works don't MAKE a Christian though. There has to be a sincere love for God in your heart.

Believing there is a God and knowing him and accepting him into your heart are two different things.

Now, I understand that there are some things that you can't help. Sin happens because we're only human, and we've fallen prone to it because it's our nature. No one except God is perfect. We can't be like him, but we should strive towards it. Meaning, if need be, quit doing some of the things you're doing. It pleases God, and shows you want to be like He is.

I'll say this -- I don't like my church either just because of the way things are done and how the customs are within the specific denomination. I don't really go to church. However, I feel you should have a passion for wanting to learn the word of God. It sounds hypocritical, coming from me, since I don't like the way my church is run, but I don't think being in a church guarantees whether you're a Christian or not. Honestly, there are millions of people who go to church thinking that's the only ticket for them to get into Heaven. Go to church, and I'm a Christian. Again, they're wrong. They say one thing, and then do the other, then venture off to church and ask for forgiveness. It's not how it works, and you're basically exploiting God that way when you do things like that.

Well, hope I made my points CLEARLY. I'm always up to talk about this stuff, so I'll keep an eye on the thread. You can PM me, as well, if you'd like. ^^

You are quite intelligent, I'll say :]. What your saying is true though. I do realize that some of the things I do are a far cry from innocence but what if I repented for what I did and asked for forgiveness? I'm doing better on the not fighting thing by the way (lately) n__n. And doesn't God take why we do things into consideration? For example, I fought someone because they made fun of my name. Know what my name is?

CHRISTIAN.

No joke. It might seem odd considering I'm a girl but there's actually two or three other girls I've seen with that name. A bit off track but anyways... I thought it was rude the things they said when I didn't ask for their opinion therefore making it none of their bussiness. "You're pretty demonic for a someone named Christian" and "The irony of you having a guy name and having your name as a religon you're obviously not in". I know I shouldn't have fought them. But it seemed right at the time. And it still annoys me that they opened their big mouths and talked to me like that.

But the next time something similar to that happened, I just sort of smirked at them and walked off. I think after I do something wrong I:

1. Ask for forgiveness
2. Repent in some way (try to find a bible verse to help me deal with the situation, etc.)
3. Think of a way to handle it in a more Christian-like way in case it'll happen again

I'm not sure if that's going to cut it, but hopefully I'll do better by not sinning quite as much in the first place. On the brighter side, I'll have more guidance next year. My boarding high school I start in August requires chapel every Sunday and religous studies. It should help me out, although it really depends on whether I'm going to go with what I learned or not :3

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-09-2007 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kiarakiara

I think you are not considered christin, because you are kinda physco. Phyisicly, emotionly and just plainly Physco! No offence you asked my opion. :lol:

Haha xD. Don't worry it's fine. I value honesty over sugar coating the truth to make me feel better about myself >__<. Yeah, I'm pretty crazy. Not many people are quite this physcho, but God does love variety after all =3. I learned to accept being insane n__n

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-09-2007 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Meirles

If you're really a Christian, you would have no desire (or at least try to avoid) doing those things. To be a good Christian is to honor Christ with your life and follow his ways, and... well, from what you've stated in the first post, it seems like you aren't. ^^; Everyone is allowed to make mistakes, cursing when you hit your finger is not going to send you to hell, for example. But deliberatey doing these things with complete disregard to the Bible... well, that's not good.

Oh, and one more thing: if you hate your church, I suggest trying to find a new one. Church should be an importan part of a Christian's life, and you should try to surround yourself with good influences and people you care about and respect.

That's just my two cents. :3

This one was very opinionated, which was good. This is a different side to my story...

I don't do something bad and then not care about it. NO. I try to work out other ways to solve the problem. Like if I flipped someone off, I could've thought of another way to have responded to what they said or did to me. But yes, to do something with ABSOLUTE disregard to the bible and God himself is wrong.

About the church thing, I can't. Not yet anyway. My parents take me to church. I have no other choice. They think our church is just so wonderful when it's not. I told them the reasons to why I don't like it but they won't listen to me. But starting in August of this year, I'm off to boarding school. At the school, we're required to go to chapel every Sunday and attend religous studies. It's also a great college prep school and I heard you learn a lot from that church :]

Thanks for your opinion <3

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-09-2007 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Twizzlerz

You know I don't really know.
I lie too.
I curse sometimes when I'm furious.
I fight...(Like a little fist fight)
And I'm Roman Catholic.
I don't like church much. We're pretty much the same but we're still Christian no matter what. If you don't believe in God, then you're not Christian. If you do believe in God, then you are no matter what.
-shrugs- You know as a kid, you really come to despise BORING stuff all the time. But as you grow older, you finally realize that you're there for a purpose. Well...At least I think so. -__-""
If you think God is real, then you are Christian.

~Twizzlerz`*♥

Yeah. No one tells the thruth all the time. If someone told me they went there life without lying, then that would be major bull. I think that one's just a part of being a human. It's probably more important to what you lied about and to whom you lied to. I guess I am Christian as long as I have faith and God and stand up for what I believe in. I may not be the best Christian, but I'm still one none the less =D

xX Nightmare Angel Xx

06-09-2007 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Queen Nehalania

I'm a saved Christian but I do find myself doing some of the things you've listed...

I guess people are what they are. Even though I'm Christian I can't help it when I cuss.

Sometimes I ask for forgiveness, sometimes I don't...

Then again I know of other Christians who cuss and get into fights.
I guess that as long as you have your faith and trust in the Lord then its alright, but I can't help but feel guilty sometimes.

I've found a new church to go to that I like a whole lot.
Its pretty relaxed and the pastor could almost pass for a comedian.
He still manages to preach a good sermon and get the point across though.
(Also it used to be a movie theater, and we get to sit in the cool seats and not the hard pews. We can also bring drinks in there too!) Thats a big plus.

Very true. When something (such as cussing) is done, it's done. Faith in the Lord God himself is what really matters over the sins you commit on earth. Although it probably helps not to do quite so many sins >__>. I know a church that actually is used as a movie theater when it's not Sunday for service. Your church sounds pretty cool and similar to the one I went to visit once 8D

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