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neur0mancer 10-02-2007 05:29 PM

Is it art?
 
I just presented something in my English class today.
We needed to take something that isn't generally seen as "art", and write a letter to the museum curators, explaining why it should be seen as art, and consequently, be put into their museum.
I did mine on those little dropped notes people find on the streets.
My main idea was that, written words tend to speak louder than spoken words because if you speak to someones face, you tend to shy back a bit because of the consequences- you dont want to see them angered or depressed. With a note, you let all the raw emotion out and verbalize it as best as you can; and because of this these are art.
Paintings, photos, drawings, are all means of strong communication meant to provoke an emotion, and sometimes thought.
Aren't notes the same thing, only verbalized?
Something like that.

So, this got me thinking.
Do you have any views like this?
What do YOU see as art?

Lilim 10-02-2007 06:15 PM

As a young artist...
I ask this question a lot. Like how a can of soda tipped upside down be art. 1st of all the didn't make the can... Who's to say that the person just drank it and throw it in the trash and it happened to fall upside down and so one picked it up and called it art >.> A lot of it is just you got to get your name out there and keep it out there. But I fight with the my own stuff... I ask myself am i truely an artist or a hobbiest. When the art world sees to be calling none art art... I give up and go outside. Ever look at a flower. Like a dandy lion? Sure their ugly and smell bad but have you ever looked at how much colour they truely have. Their not just yellow.

((I'm not sure if I started on topic... Sorry))

keokotheshadowfang 10-02-2007 07:03 PM

Art is based only on each individual person. Some person could say "Wow! Now that's art!" While another could look at it and say "Eww! That's trash."

Em 10-02-2007 07:39 PM

it's art if it means something.

Chaoticness 10-02-2007 08:12 PM

Art can be anything as long as it has reason and meaning behind it.

I'm at an art college and although I prefer more traditionalist methods we have been creating installations out of random junk we found. Our team was given the words industry, meandering, parallel, vertical, pinned and the colour yellow. So we found a whole load of yellow objects and stuck, pinned, sewed and placed objects together to create a series of conveyor belts. It kinda worked lol

Allucard 10-02-2007 08:16 PM

I think a person can make a decent argument for just about ANYTHING to be art. The way I would define art, unless I think or a better definition, is that it's a model or a metaphor for something else.

A painting isn't a bunch of paint on canvas or whatever you paint on, it's a symbol of the stuff the paint is arranged to resemble.

In the same way, three lumps stacked one-on-top-of-the-other isn't just a big lumpy thing. To someone, it was a maiden with a basket on her head.

Whether it's good art is another issue. Does it EFFECTIVELY portray whatever it represents? Does it make a relevant and/or thought provoking statement? Etc.

But yeah, you could make the case that an architect is an artist and every building they design is one of their pieces, and I think that it's even true to a large extent. Because most architects don't give a damn about art, so that's their statement. "Screw 'art' I've got work to do."

Wordstreamer 10-02-2007 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaoticness
Art can be anything as long as it has reason and meaning behind it.


I completely agree. When someone just picks up trash and says, "That's art"--no, it's not. A bunch of scribbles isn't art.

I wish that people would make sure that what they do means something. A lot of people don't.

Spring`Tyme Fresh 10-02-2007 08:54 PM

  • My communications class had a debate about this in our lesson yesterday.
    Our teacher was saying that there is certain criteria that makes art art, but i think i agree with a few others who were arguing the point that criteria was based on someone's opinion, therefore criteria is different for everyone.
    It got pretty heated to say the least >.<
    But i think, like your example, an empty can or messy bed cannot be considered art. I think art has to include some special skills rather than something that anyone can literally 'throw' together.


Allucard 10-02-2007 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Wordstreamer
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Originally Posted by Chaoticness
Art can be anything as long as it has reason and meaning behind it.


I completely agree. When someone just picks up trash and says, "That's art"--no, it's not. A bunch of scribbles isn't art.

I wish that people would make sure that what they do means something. A lot of people don't.

I'm going to say trash can be art, and you can just pick it up off the street and say "It's a ready-made!" But there has to be some thought behind it, so you can't just pick up trash and claim to be an artist. If you can explain why a can of soda or a messy bed is artistic, then maybe it is.

ZenWarrior 10-02-2007 10:59 PM

Truth...I see Graffiti as art. Others may not, but I think anyone who can draw an amzing looking picture with a can of spraypaint is an artist.

Now, don't get me wrong, tagging, I don't agree with. I mean, the spots with awsome pictures, and story-esque spraypainted areas.

A lot of people don't seem to think these artwork, but that's fine. Personal art is up to the person trying to defend it.

ToriKat 10-02-2007 11:16 PM

  • *wonders if this is more suited in the Art Discussion forum?*

    Art can be something drawn, written, acted, sung, designed...basically anything creatively produced. It may be done for expression or may serve a purpose. Some novels, plays, poetry, music, and artworks are created to make a statement that can stem from anything related to politics, religion, or ethics. Architecture, as stated earlier, is art too. It's a product crafted for a function and to meet some levels of aesthetics.

    I think...I consider things in the general category of art is anything that is produced. (I was going to say by humans, but then I remember once my cat walked on some mud and some paper and I thought the result was kinda cool....) That's why while a scenic landscape is aesthetically pleasing, it's not art. It's a product of nature, not by uh......a being? :D

Chexala 10-02-2007 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Allucard
I'm going to say trash can be art, and you can just pick it up off the street and say "It's a ready-made!" But there has to be some thought behind it, so you can't just pick up trash and claim to be an artist. If you can explain why a can of soda or a messy bed is artistic, then maybe it is.[/color]

That's sort of what I think, though I'll push it a little further.

For me, art requires intention. So, a piece of trash on the street of itself is not art, but the photograph or painting of it is, because the artist isolated that fragment of existence with intention.

Also, art requires meaning; without it an item is simply beautiful. Sometimes the meaning of an art piece is beauty, but not all beautiful things are necessarily artistic, which brings me back to intention. The sunrise is beautiful, but not art (unless you believe in God?); the painting of the sunrise might not be as beautiful as the real one, but it is art, because it was created with intention and had some significance, either to the artist of the viewer.

Owl 10-03-2007 12:55 AM


  • For me, art is a lot of things, it just matters how you present it. Art has to have thought behind it, at least good art does. ;x It has to have concept and an inspiration from something, most of the time... c:

Jaz 10-03-2007 01:28 AM

I am so strange when it comes to art... And ultra picky... Ok so here goes... I do not believe a dot in the middle of a white canvas depicts any kind of emotion therefore it isn't art... I have in the middle of a rage taken a black permanent marker to a piece of paper and just went at it... That was my way of expressing myself so I do see how it can be for others as well but scribbling when you are content doesn't cut it for me (unless you are three) ... Art made from trash is awesome but there should be thought behind it... Not just a glob of glue here and a McDonald's wrapper there! Though I do not like abstract art I do indulge in it sometimes and I feel that it is almost always art.. The written word is art of course even if it is something small it is... (even business letters can be a form of at of the trade)
And finally... Nude drawings can be art... If they aren't smut... Sexual poses that aren't blatantly obvious to the viewer can be art as well... If the picture depicts sexual gestures in a more or less grotesquely obvious way then it is smut... Sorry if that offends anyone but I do not feel some things are art...

Doomfishy 10-03-2007 01:31 AM

In my opinion, art is simply symbolic expression.

So... if there is nothing to be expressed in it, it ain't art.

BrokenHearted 10-03-2007 02:48 AM

I hope this teacher got advanced permission before his class begins to bombard a busy museum curator with this. :?

Doomfishy 10-03-2007 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BrokenHearted
I hope this teacher got advanced permission before his class begins to bombard a busy museum curator with this. :?

Well, a lot of times teachers just grade this type of project without sending it in (or else they send them all together as a packet).

.n.e.r.d.y. 10-03-2007 03:28 AM

To me, everything is viewed as a work of art. Everything that the world has to offer, the people, the grass, even the dog poo in peoples lawns. Everything in its own way is some sort of art. It just depends on what way the person looks at it.

woopdidoodoo 10-03-2007 09:32 AM

If you can see it as something creative and you are passionate about it then I believe it to be art. A lump of dog poo with someones name on it is not art, I believe. Though there are many artforms and each should be respected for its own right I just think that you need to be able to have your own way of doing and making things. So if you think a squiggle on a bit of paper is art then cool, thats your opinion and you are titled to it. However being recognised for it is something entirely different isn't it?

neur0mancer 10-03-2007 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenWarrior
Truth...I see Graffiti as art. Others may not, but I think anyone who can draw an amzing looking picture with a can of spraypaint is an artist.

Now, don't get me wrong, tagging, I don't agree with. I mean, the spots with awsome pictures, and story-esque spraypainted areas.

A lot of people don't seem to think these artwork, but that's fine. Personal art is up to the person trying to defend it.

I agree!
I adore graffiti.
I was in Atlanta for robotics finals, and it was beautiful.
I wish I could have stayed longer.
I might be up there for college though, GA Tech yeahyeah~
(Every sentance starts with an I. o_O )
Tagging is.. bleh. But when you do something amazing, its... wow. I love it.

neur0mancer 10-03-2007 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenHearted
I hope this teacher got advanced permission before his class begins to bombard a busy museum curator with this. :?

We didn't actually send them in- it was an excercize. :3
We were working on building up facts and opinions to persuade someone, as well as defending your position.


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