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Sparkle 10-08-2007 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cinnamonmiko

Sparkle -- I know this is going to sound wrong and terrible and judgmental...and I'm sorry that it is going to be taken that way. We aren't fighting because of Muslim or Islamic affiliations. We are fighting in retaliation. We started war in the Near East because the 9/11 incident stomped on our toes, big time. So we stomped back. The vengeance spilled over in to the Iraqi region and took out Saddam Hussein, which undoubtedly caused a rapid decay of the standing political system and forced us in good measure to stick around and try to help set up something new, something else, even though we aren't doing very well. Believe me when I say that just leaving that in a stew of political struggle and fire without any third-party military would have been way worse than anything than is happening right now. It's just how the faction cookie crumbles.
A sad and depressing number of people have assigned a poor name to all Islamic people because of this war, but that isn't right. We aren't there because of Islam. We are there because we have to at least try to make things right by helping to clean up the mess we caused.

Not at all good friend. I understand the reasons for starting the war in Iraq but what I do not understand is why the US is insisting on the continued deployments of American troops and why we are trying to set up a govenment that they don't want. The people of Iraq... well, should cease being the people in Iraq. What might work for the people is to seperate them. Instead of trying to make three groups of people that obviosly don't like each other try and get along, why not just split them up and allow them to form their own independant countries with goverments that make them happy.

TouYube: Every religion does that. The Christains used religion as justification for killing 10,000 muslims during the crusades. You got catholics blowing up abortion clinics. Every religion does that but that does not make the religion anyless respectable. It just means that there are a few crazies... like everything else.

EDIT: Last post of the day. Night all!

Verucca 10-08-2007 06:09 AM

Don't hate America for everything...but we are doing some horrible things!! We have done some fabulous things as well, but saying that just because we 'created' freedom doesn't mean that we have the right to take it back.

We should be progressive and moving forward, not be moving back into the dark ages.

And about religion I got nothing against god and all that, but using your faith to justify and commit violent acts is TOTALLY SCREWED UP! Thanks and goodnight. ;^_^

Aeris 10-08-2007 06:40 AM

I don't like my country - America. We promote freedom but we have bills like the "Patriot Act" which limits our freedoms and invades our privacy much like the England that our forefathers attempted to escape from.

You sound like a brainwashed young boy. Sweeping generalizations will get you no where; try learning about how other cultures before you boast about your own.

I don't think any culture or government is above anyone elses; we all have our problems that we are dealing with. But I think that the "American Dream" is only open for our immigrants. As for us who live here, we have no real history other than our few hundred years, because we basically demolished any history that existed previous to that. Personally I dislike our lack of history and find myself attracted to those cultures who have thousands of years of maturity.

Anyway, my two cents. XD

AkashaHeartilly 10-08-2007 06:44 AM

Wow, omigawd, wow, you just proved why many people are anti-american. Please, educate yourself, you may be intelligent, but you come across as foolish and un-educated.

Freedom was granted other places first. Right now I can't pull of spefics, but places such as Fiji granted women rights to vote in 1873, I want to say. Slavery still exists, even in America.

9/11 was something waiting to happen. Our government knew it. Was not the first time we had a terrorist attack from muslim extremist groups. Remember the first World Trade center bombing in 1993? Or the Embassy bombings? The weapons that saddam Hussien had, were from US, in the 80's. Oh, the Taliban, as also trained by US in the 80's, to help the US fight the USSR, many of the weapons they have are left over from that.

I'm amblivelant about being American, but then, realize and American can be anyone in the Northern and Southern America's.

cherry-tide 10-08-2007 08:30 AM

you know what? i don't think that's so true- but it's definitely not false either. but you know what i hate? people who contradict themselves, and proceed to tell you you are WRONG><

green_freak07 10-08-2007 08:34 AM

here's what i can say.
 
here's what i can say.
well, people nowadays are so stupid that they only think of making fun out of themselves.. well, what can WE humans do? the earth where we live in is soooooooo boring... duh.. of course we'll find something which can give us pleasure.. :twisted:

iViolent 10-08-2007 10:37 AM

since i listened to what you hate.
i hate this song:
there is a 10:39 minute song.
with less than a paragraph of lyrics
"Not many know how much you did, when you walked on broken feet to save us,
this is your last walk, but its not the end, and with faith in hand, your
not the only one, so c'mon c'mon, your not the only one, let's help get
this point across, what are you waiting for? Let's get this point across
while we still have the time, lets get it across, lets get this point
across and live eternal life, lets get it across"

akane1412 10-08-2007 12:09 PM

I also don't like America much and I disagree with your points.

As far as I know, Freedom began to exist in 1789 in the French revolution as their "quote" was Igualite, Fraternite liberte or something like that...

As for technology I also don't see why we have to thank america, for as far as I know, the industrial revolution started in Europe, to be exact, United Kingdom. And even though they may not have been the ones to make great inventions like the computer or such, Europeans are intelligent and would get there by themselves! Or even if they didn't, after spreading some knowledge in the world I'm sure plenty of countries could have made the same discoveries as america. That america was the one to make them first was mostly a consequence for not being directly involved in the first World War.

Humans are not stupid, and not all are just hungry for money or power, some are hungry for knowledge and such, and with that in mind, humans like to try out new things, advance in some way and thus, even if one human doesn't invent something today another may have a similar idea tomorrow and for that it doesn't matter their nationality.

What I hate about America is how you think you are important to the world, as if you were the ones to change it, as if you rule us all.
The truth is that outside of america many don't care about it! Many live their everyday lives without even remembering that america exists...

And another thing that really annoys me about americans, is how this one american once told me, as if it was the most natural thing, that every country in the world should talk the same language... Well I'm sure he meant english but why would the old counties which have their own language and are proud of it as part of their culture give up their language just for that?
I'm sure it's an idea many americans share but would they even accept the idea of the language not being english but something else? I highly doubt it as I'm sure americans love their mother tong as much as we do!
Though I know many europeans disagree with this idea, specially if they come from countries which translate and sub everything like Spain and German or maybe englnad would think the same way too, but I for example grew up hearing so many languages I end up loving their sound and I'm sure others think this way too...

But anyway, this whole idea of hatting a country is pretty silly I admit since it might push people away... and there's nothing more stupid than to hate someone because of their nationality or religion...

As for the wars america started, I think those were pretty stupid and there was no need for them, it just made people sad and took many lives...

`Haru 10-08-2007 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TouYube
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Originally Posted by `Haru
I agree, But I have to say, I've never actually hard
about the fat part. Anyways, Go TouYube! Tell them off! x]



You never heard about the obesity?

People are like "You're proud to be an American? Well America has the #1 amount of obese people in the world!"

I made an American Pride thread on Gaia and I got like 5,000 posts about how America actually sucks and that I should go to hell. Of course, they all live in America

Sorry for the late reply, but no I haven't, I thought it was China with the highest amount obesity...^^;;

1love1riku1 10-08-2007 01:11 PM

look at it this way...

if they hate america why are they still living here?

they could go live in europe or scotland....

or maybe even china if they want to take the risk....

just dont be racist about your whole life and what goes on in it

Peppermint 10-08-2007 01:12 PM

  • Omgsh. Seriously. they're saying that now?
    Well anyways I <3 America.
    Cuz i live in eet. ~<3

trekkie 10-08-2007 01:20 PM

Yeah! You tell them!

Blizzard 10-08-2007 02:36 PM

what ?? okay yea right ....

Teeth 10-08-2007 07:25 PM

OMG. I totally agree.
Okay..attention please.
As you probably know, youtube has a handful of users who post videos like :
"Seal Massacre in Canada"
"Dolphin Slaughter in Japan" or
"Cat killin in Korea"
These videos are documentarys, posted for our education. Instead, people leave harsh racial comments, especially on 3rd world countries. Take Japan, I only found one comment that didnt say something along the lines of
"JAPS SUCK! WE SHOULD NUKE THOSE MTHRFCKRS!"
Why do people do that? And since Youtubes users are mostly from USA..the videos that tell of animal massacre in America have comments like:
"What ever." or "Cool" Or "God bless America"
What?! Now, Im not bashing at America, my dad was born there, and some of my family lives there, but just because your from USA and not asia, your going to insult other countries ways and try to defend yours? Pathetic.
Millions of response videos have been made by both american and pacific users, stating that the same thing is happening in both countries, and neither is more 'evil' then the other, and yet all the feedback they get is racial!
Why would people do this? I dont get it.
And we call ourselves the Intelligent and Smarter species? Hah.
We have alot to learn before we even think of calling ourselves that!

marissa12345 10-08-2007 08:08 PM

I hate everyone. :x

mystic kiwi 10-08-2007 08:51 PM

See, the problem is that people are selfish. Everyone is like that whether you want to admit it or not. People always need something to complain about and take what they have for granted. Right now I’m pretty much pissed off at the local government though so that doesn’t really count at a national level, just at the state level since everyone here is poor as heck no thanks to our “lovely” governor.

louli89 10-08-2007 09:04 PM

Just because someone is anti-America doesn't mean they are anti-human. And just becuase they're anti-America doesn't mean they're anti-American.

I've been to other countries, and yes, there are lots of people who hate America. That doesn't mean they hate you if you're American, it just means that they dislike the government, or maybe the culture.

Sure, America has its positives, but it also has its negatives, and it annoys me when people act like this is the crown of all countries. We've caused trouble in Iraq, some countries in Latin America, dropped the first atomic bomb. We were not the first to end slavery, and besides that, the treatment of slaves was more like that of servants in other places, whereas here, they were treated worse than animals.

Also, there are plenty of other countries out there that have advanced science, although we've contributed a lot, too. Did you know that Muslims contributed a lot to modern science? Our textbooks skip over that for the most part. Japan and other countries are also advancing technology.

ToriKat 10-08-2007 09:11 PM

Re: You know what I hate?
 
  • *stretches* Alright. Let's see what I want to say on this. Radical comments like this are sooo going to get tons of people jumping. 8D

    1. Yes, people are, nowadays especially, pointing fingers constantly. Seriously, but when haven't they? Germany pointed their fingers at the Jews for their economic devastations and failures in World War I. (That should be something everyone recognizes.) No one really wants to take responsibility for doing something wrong. It's the mature thing to do...to admit you're wrong, to accept your faults, and to better yourself. But people are egotistical little beings who need to save their pride and reputations.

    2. Everyone hates America. So a bunch of disgruntled little teenagers' opinions means that a lot of people feel the same? You know, back in the 2004 presidential elections, I SWORE people hated Bush. I mean, that's all we heard about. Bush sucks because of the war in Iraq and stuff. Our economy was fluctuating and falling apart. I was SO sure we'd get rid of him. But when Bush won - besides my ideas on there being a conspiracy - I realized...there are many people who AREN'T TALKING. Complainers are the ones make a lot of noise. And the funny thing is...complainers are either not taking action themselves, OR they're annoying people who do.

    3. I'm not even going to bother going to go into the freedom and slavery comments. Previous posters have already said what I wanted to. :roll:

    4. Obesity. Oh. My. God. *smiles* You know, the "obesity epidemic" has traveled to other countries by globalization. Prior to McDonald's and other "culinary" exports from America, certain health conditions weren't so widespread as they are now. All it took was the introduction of our greasy, unhealthy eating choices...
    In other countries, I see people walking or riding bicycles a lot. But man, I don't even know ANYONE who will walk down the street to buy a hamburger...except me. Urban areas are so dependent on driving that a two minute walk sounds like murder to their ears.

    @`Haru: No...America tops the list on obesity...
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/he...health-obesity

    5. Their crazy religion? If you're going to base your opinion on Islam because of a bunch of radicals, then Christianity is crazy because of the Ku Klux Klan.

    6. Also, more wealth doesn't equate with more happiness. There's an amount of wealth that a person can obtain to become optimally satisfied, but gaining more wealth wouldn't make them even more happy. As long as you can afford the basics of survival and have a little more to enjoy yourself, then you'll be sustained.
    Heck, I heard Britney Spears makes $77000 a month or something. I hardly think she's more ecstatic than some average people. She's got people picking fun of her in the media, and she lost custody of her children. Wealth does not guarantee happiness. Someday those who DO think that will come to realize that experiences and good relationships matter MUCH more.

`Haru 10-08-2007 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Teeth
OMG. I totally agree.
Okay..attention please.
As you probably know, youtube has a handful of users who post videos like :
"Seal Massacre in Canada"
"Dolphin Slaughter in Japan" or
"Cat killin in Korea"
These videos are documentarys, posted for our education. Instead, people leave harsh racial comments, especially on 3rd world countries. Take Japan, I only found one comment that didnt say something along the lines of
"JAPS SUCK! WE SHOULD NUKE THOSE MTHRFCKRS!"
Why do people do that? And since Youtubes users are mostly from USA..the videos that tell of animal massacre in America have comments like:
"What ever." or "Cool" Or "God bless America"
What?! Now, Im not bashing at America, my dad was born there, and some of my family lives there, but just because your from USA and not asia, your going to insult other countries ways and try to defend yours? Pathetic.
Millions of response videos have been made by both american and pacific users, stating that the same thing is happening in both countries, and neither is more 'evil' then the other, and yet all the feedback they get is racial!
Why would people do this? I dont get it.
And we call ourselves the Intelligent and Smarter species? Hah.
We have alot to learn before we even think of calling ourselves that!

They... actually said that about Japan? Omg, I'd find a way to kill em' all. (I don't mean to sound violent, But I just do.)

Japan and Japanese people are like, almost the only thing I believe in anymore. My damn hopes and dreams were shattered. ;___;

LordZan 10-08-2007 10:10 PM

I dislike living in america, President playing war and toying with the soldiers lives then gets huge war funding and makes us look even worse to other, There's not much pride living in a country ran by a man who kills and screws over his own people the people he's supposed to help and represent my entire family hates the president He's gotten us in trouble with almost every other country the way i see it we should be "The land of freedom, For a price that is." Sorry if you all dislike how i feel about here, For all relations and such the president Should be blamed, its his job to Run our country and he seems barely able to do that I mean he has to have his Vice president do the thinking for him. I wonder how America would be if a Highly Intelligent President came into office i wonder of we'd change or we'd become even more Hated all i know is, I cant wait for Bush to get Gone and Vanish out of everyones mind. (because he most likely will like every other living president, not to be rude its just true to me I haven't heard anything about Bill Clinton or Bush Sr. it's as if they don't even Exist any longer.)

Bleeding[Hearts.Xanadu] 10-08-2007 10:25 PM

You're a kind of crazy person.

And America DOES suck.

The original concept of America is great, and I love the freedom ideas--but people get ridiculous with it. "Let's sue the people who made our coffee, because it's hot!" .... Right; that's a GREAT idea.

Anyway. I hate the people who run the country, and honestly I do hate a lot of people--especially those who think that we should like them just because they exist. I like them if they've proven that they're good.

Kitty Killdare 10-09-2007 02:51 AM

I apalogise for the ultra, mega long post


There are some very confused arguments on this thread.

Obesity is such a problem right now, because the fast food companies practically have a monopoly on the food industry, which makes crappy fast food the only real option for most people (outside major cities of course). Also, in a lot of places, people drive everywhere and don’t walk enough or get enough exercise.

The American economy is going downhill currently. The euro, pound, etc. are way up on the US dollar, and Asia is the current world leader in technological advances. Most large American companies outsource their labor to places like India, China, Taiwan, and other such places. We don’t make most of our own products, which puts us on fairly shaky economic ground. Inflation is also becoming a serious issue, which is not addressed very well by the major government parties. Our health care, and real estate is getting worse and worse, especially in cities like New York City (my home town).

---You know somewhere is going downhill, when Canada is doing better than they are (in the world socio economic scene).

More on NYC: mayor Bloomberg is gentrifying like crazy, and even on the bowery (where the bums used to squat), rent is up to $9215 a month. The rent for a tiny, one room apartment in Manhattan is the same as a full size house in Massachusetts. This causes an increased number of homeless people; so much so that at this point, the numbers of homeless in major US cities, is getting close to those in major cities in China, Korea, etc (where the population is at least fifty times as high).

Notes on the civil war: here’s the deal with slavery and how it was dealt with during the civil war. Lincoln basically told the southern and middle states that if they sided with the north, they cold have as many slaves as they damn pleased. If they joined the confederates however, they would be banned from owning slaves. The confederate response to this was, of course, “we are our own country and we say we can have slaves.”

Some direct responses:


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“Has it ever occured to you that those people in those kinds of countries are happy with the few possions they have? Maybe that's why they "hate" America. You have just demonstrated that Americans are a bunch of materialistic, stuck up, snobs. There are people in the world who have it bad but still have a reason to smile and be happy. People that don't need/want the modern advances that you and I know and love.”
You seem to be equating America with progress and resources. Not all countries outside the US are third world countries.


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“i like living here cause atleast your not starving or live on the streets but i mean people still live on the streets here but thats cause there mostly drugies or dont have jobs something like that but i still agree with in some ways but others i'll have to defend America”
This statement tells me a lot about your background. I will now make a guess, please tell me how accurate it is: you live in a suburb, or small town, in maybe the Midwest or the west coast? You come from a middle/upper middle class family. You are either 12 or 13 years old.


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“WHY DO I SAY THEIR RELIGION IS CRAZY? BECAUSE THEY INTERPRET THE RELIGION TO SAY THAT THEY WANT TO KILL ME AND MY PEOPLE! (My family is Jewish, by the way) I'm not even making this up. I agree. The Muslims aren't supposed to think that and they're supposed to be tolerant of other religions. They're called fanatics because they interpret the religion to say that they need to kill all Jews. And they even say that. They say it right to our faces.

Yes, we have the right to believe in anything. I would say that all of the same steps that were taken to get black people freed should be taken to give the white people the freedom to hate black people. I'm not racist, of course, but freedom of belief is the idea. I do not, however, believe that just because you think you should kill the Jews and that the Jews descended from the apes and pigs, you are automatically entitled to killing people.”
Suggestion for TouYube: you should try reading out your posts before you post them, just to make sure people understand what you mean. I think your posts were taken so badly, because you didn’t spell out your argument well enough.

I too believe in total freedom of speech. Most people don’t fully understand or support it, unfortunately. I will define it as concisely as I can, hopefully it will help.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH: the right for anyone to voice they’re opinions. This includes people who do not have the same views as you. Many people seem to be under the impression that freedom of speech is “say whatever you want. Unless I disagree with what you have to say.”

For example—Joe Shmo says, “Pollution is bad.” John Doe says, “I agree with you, and am glad we have the freedom to voice this opinion.”
Then, Joe Shmo says, “I enjoy having sex with animals.” John Doe says, “That is sick! Society shouldn’t allow people like you to say that type of thing!”

Also, are you saying that most Muslims hate Jews? Really? Because I too am Jewish, and yet I have friends who are practicing, religious Muslims. Not even their parents hate Jews. I think the Jew hating thing is slightly more political and site specific than you imply. Maybe more to do with political relations with Israel?



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CRIPES don't I know it! My goodness that makes me so angry! D:<
There are kids in my classes who feel that way, and assume that everyone else shares their 'un-obscured' view of american society and that they know exactly how to make it 'all betters.'
A lot of liberals are like that. And by “that” I mean uninformed pretentious assholes. XD

GRAH.
So angry. I'm always happy to tell these people that they can either sit down and quit forcing his opinions on me in this wonderful land of the free which allows him to have those opinions in the first place, or get the #$%@ out because there's easily ten people vying for his spot.

Angry.


Sparkle -- I know this is going to sound wrong and terrible and judgmental...and I'm sorry that it is going to be taken that way. We aren't fighting because of Muslim or Islamic affiliations. We are fighting in retaliation. We started war in the Near East because the 9/11 incident stomped on our toes, big time. So we stomped back. The vengeance spilled over in to the Iraqi region and took out Saddam Hussein, which undoubtedly caused a rapid decay of the standing political system and forced us in good measure to stick around and try to help set up something new, something else, even though we aren't doing very well. Believe me when I say that just leaving that in a stew of political struggle and fire without any third-party military would have been way worse than anything than is happening right now. It's just how the faction cookie crumbles.
A sad and depressing number of people have assigned a poor name to all Islamic people because of this war, but that isn't right. We aren't there because of Islam. We are there because we have to at least try to make things right by helping to clean up the mess we caused.
This is a common misconception. The war started way before 9/11 (it started in the early 80s at least). Remember Afghanistan? The Gulf War? Anyone? 9/11 simply brought it home. Dragged out into the open. Wasn’t this about Osama Bin Laden, originally? You know, that guy who desired global jihad (holy war). There was never conclusive evidence that Iraq was involved with bin laden and his al-Qaeda. Bin Laden refused to alliance with anybody. And he was largely based in Saudi Arabia, but he never really aligned himself with any government. Apparently, he and Saddam Hussein didn’t see eye to eye. It was proven by the CIA that Iraq had nothing to do with the 1993 world trade center bombing. During the Iraq- Iran war (late 70s through the 80s), the US sided with Iraq. The CIA also had extensive information, previous to 9/11 that something major was going to go down. They knew there would be a major attack on the US. Nothing was done to try and prevent the attack. Now, we blame everything on ‘Saddam Hussein the tyrant’ and say, “Osama Bin Laden? Who’s that?” Mr. Bin Laden is probably sitting in an olive garden somewhere rubbing his palms together and going, “mwahahaha! The holy war is upon us!”

I would just like to point out that you cant believe everything you see in the news. Just because they don’t shout it in the streets, doesn’t mean its not happening.



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just because we 'created' freedom doesn't mean that we have the right to take it back.
I’m sorry. What? Could you please clarify what you mean?

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I don't like my country - America. We promote freedom but we have bills like the "Patriot Act" which limits our freedoms and invades our privacy much like the England that our forefathers attempted to escape from.
Yes, the patriot act is ridiculous and blatantly unconstitutional, as it explicitly violates the bill of right. On the other hand, one of the clauses was that the police had the right to search anyone’s bags. But if they try to search your bag, you still have the right to ask for a warrant, and they can’t touch you (yes I know this first hand). If you are arrested, any judge, anywhere, would side with you.


I don't think any culture or government is above anyone elses; we all have our problems that we are dealing with. But I think that the "American Dream" is only open for our immigrants. As for us who live here, we have no real history other than our few hundred years, because we basically demolished any history that existed previous to that. Personally I dislike our lack of history and find myself attracted to those cultures who have thousands of years of maturity.
Um… where to begin… the ‘American Dream’ is open to everyone. It’s just up to you to make it happen. Nothing gets handed to you. The opportunities are all there. It’s on you whether you take those opportunities, or just sit on your ass. Immigrants simply appreciate it more, because they know firsthand that not all countries are like that (ye ol’ Soviet Union for example. If you were an artist there, and you made something that did not blatantly further the image of the union, you were disappeared). If this (US) is the only world you know, you take it for granted. The concept of the ‘American Dream’ has nothing to do with history, but the lack there of. If a place has no history, it has endless potential. That’s why the ‘American Dream’ exists. You know; land of opportunity?


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Urban areas are so dependent on driving that a two minute walk sounds like murder to their ears.
I think you mean suburban areas. Here in the city, the average person walks at least 5-6 miles a day.

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Japan and Japanese people are like, almost the only thing I believe in anymore. My damn hopes and dreams were shattered. ;___;
Explain please? I don’t really get what you mean exactly



last one i swear: many people say they hate america, when they really mean they hate the administration, or government. the actual place and day to day life is pretty good for most people posting

Bebe Kiki 10-09-2007 04:07 AM


Not, anti-human. Anti-love.

SPEAD THE LOVE PEOPLE, SPREAD IT, IT'S ALL WE HAVE LEFT!

zipperglow 10-09-2007 04:12 AM

That's just a little heated. . . but yeah, no one country can be blamed for the entire worlds problems. . . but I do think Bush has cobwebs between his ears. . . O_o

Esper 10-09-2007 04:15 AM

Eh...

I'll always hate Bush. Sorry. D:


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