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lol you silly kids arguing about stuff that doesn't even matter.
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Whew, did your first few posts insult me. I admit, I am rather against the Bush administration, but hey, guess what? He's lived up his two terms, and, by law, has to give up his presidency to a new candidate next voting term. That problem is solved for the most part.
And as for the materialistic goods? Ha. You do realize that most of America's population is middle to lower class, right? I'm what I guess you could call, upper-lower, lower-middle class. Sure, I have a few luxuries that others don't, but I don't complain. I AM happy. The only thing I want, besides for my mother to be happy, is a new kitten. Wow. And the slavery thing? Ha. The north was PUSHED into having to end it. It's by sheer luck and slaughter that the south surrendered. Don't say we were the first to abolish it, especially since we were fighting OUR OWN COUNTRYMEN to keep it alive. And, HOW DARE YOU insult another's religion. THAT is fascist, if I do say so myself. I'm Buddhist, my mother is Christian-Catholic, my older brother and sister are both Atheist, and my younger sister is still finding her set of beliefs. America IS about Freedom of Religion, AND Freedom of Speech. Sure, you can say what you like, as long as you weigh all the facts first. Obviously, you haven't. And for the government thing, oh boy, this one REALLY made me laugh. America didn't invent government, it didn't invent democracy. There was a government before America, if you didn't know. And the Romans started out with a form of democracy, the French perfected it, we used it. Again, learn your history, fuck-o. |
I didn't read all that. I'm not gonna lie. And if someone has a problem I normally ignore them. ♥
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Eh, we usually end up blaming someone in the end.
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People in America take what they have for granted.
America doesn't like to take blame for it's own actions. I agree with the obesity problem, and the Bush. The thing is, no one is talking about how WE made the decision to vote for him. So we are back to blame. Not for HIS actions, but for the fact that we could not be in the war right now, had we not voted for him. Bleh. I think also, we need to get rid of the Electoral college. That was only useful when the people weren't informed. (Like..back in the 1700s?)... Iunno how accurate I am. Just saying it as I see it. |
Not everyone voted for him.
A few states did, but the elections were tampered with. I would have MUCH preferred Al Gore. D: |
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i think all of you would benefit from reading my post (the huge one in red type). it has a lot of info that you might find useful or at least informative.
i would also like some feedback and answers to my questions :D |
There was re-vote, and it was done in Florida.
Guess who's brother was the Governor and handler of the ballots for Florida? Yeah, Bush's. |
Uh, you seem a bit radical yourself.
I'm sure the idea of freedom would be around without the US. =/ If an american didn't invent electricity, someone else would. You're not thinking of ANY other angles, other than "this happened, this happened, and that also happened, ALL BECAUSE OF THESE PEOPLE HAHAHA NO ONE ELSE COULD HAVE DONE THIS BECAUSE THEYRE TOO STUPID" =/ I'd much rather live in Canada, or Norway- Nice, cold, peaceful, happy. And they stay in their own business. And when they say "freedom of speech", they actually MEAN it. Its very.. free. People don't get persecuted because of their religion, and they dont have people trying to make their government based off of Christian values (even though a good chunk of the authors of the Constitution were Deists, Atheists, or Agnostic). n_n The US isn't the most horrid country in the world, but there seem to be better ones out there. |
Well people sometimes talk without thinking!!
Soo I think you must ignore!! ^^ |
The point where you said "Without America, freedom practically wouldn't exist." that's just... wrong. Amercian slaves had to use the underground railroad to Canada, since Canada was free of slaves [not throughout our entire history, but a lot longer then the U.S]. Though, Europe did have slaves, i'm pretty sure they banned it before America did. And i agree with Dino. |
@Kitty Killdare: My response was not to degrade or presume that other countries outside of the US are third world. My post was in response to earlier comments about countries without water/electricity/etc and the quality of life for these people A.K.A are they happy. I apoligize if my post came across to you or to anyone else in this thread that way.
@The Bush Topic: Tampered election? Some how I doubt that. If I remember correctly, Al Gore actually won the popular vote but did not win the right states in the electoral college. In essence, Gore got screwed by the law. I agree with an earlier post that stated that the electoral college should be done a way with. I believe we now have the technology and the resources to just elect via popular vote. @Civil war: Great Britian abolished slavery in 1839. I believe that France also did so before the US, but don't quote me on that. Proof that the US is not always seen keen to live up to the ideals it was founded upon. |
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More importantly, do you think a president can be any good if THEY do or are responsible for ordering others to do these things? Maybe you think that because the terrorists do it, it's okay? Okay, so why don't we drop a nuclear warhead on Baghdad? It would be very similar to the September 11th attacks. It's very hypocritical to say it's wrong for terrorists to do it, but okay for us to do it. And don't bother trying to say it's in self defense because it's not. The occupation of Iraq is the result of a pre-emptive strike that the american people only consented to because they were disinformed, and whether intentional or not, that is inexcusable from the President of the United States, or the various intelligence and investigative agencies involved. Part of being a good president is being able to consider all sides of an issue and make the best choice. Maybe Bush was right to go to war with Iraq. Maybe if Saddam Hussein were alive and in power he would have sneak attacked us with chemical warfare and killed more people than have died in this "war on terror." But is there really any evidence to support that? Is there even any evidence that Iraq actually did have weapons of mass destruction? And if they did, where are those weapons now, and are we any better off with them floating around out there somewhere? And if Iraq DIDN'T have the weapons, then what reason did we have for invading them? Because their political system was wrong and oppressive? So is Burma's but we don't invade them, do we? I don't see that we have really gained anything from the war in Iraq, and that means Bush rushed into a pointless war. That's not good leadership and it isn't fitting for a President, who is supposed to be the leader of the free world. Also, I don't think Bush has invented a single thing in all his life, much less the light bulb or the computer. On America having a patent on freedom, no. The U.S. cannot be said to be the first, last, or clearly the best nation to have the concept of freedom and individual rights. If it weren't for the U.S. freedom in the world today WOULD exist, and I dare say it would be similar to what Americans are used to. Because you see, Americans aren't the only people in the world who think it's wrong for a government to have too much power, and you can only supress a population so long before they will rise up. Then dictators and despots will either change their policies or bring in the troops. And if they opt to kill all opposition, many more will rise up against them. In the end, oppressive regimes either kill most everyone willing to fight for freedom, or they come to an end. I will agree that Bush isn't responsable for the obesity in the U.S. and it is true that many people want to shift blame away from themselves, but just because he's the President doesn't make Bush immune to criticism, and it doesn't mean he can go off and start a war on a whim without considering the moral and ethical ramifications, as well as a good deal more ramifications, of sending thousands of presumably innocent people off to die under false pretenses. A government does not deserve the right to lie to it's people, and there is certainly no exception to be made in the case of Bush, who wanted real bad to start a fight but just couldn't come up with a reason. A "gut feeling" is not a suitable justification for war. |
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As a matter of fact, I'm not saying that at all. However, there must be some reason that the USA has had such a large effect on the technology in the world. Such extreme amounts of technological advancements must be triggered by something. What I'm saying is that the US does far more good than bad. |
I'd like to say now, before it's too late, that I have absolutely no idea what the thing about the WMD was. I mean, I do, but I'm not that knowledgeable on it.
All I know is that there are people out there who openly say (yes they do) that they believe all non-Muslims should be killed and that they will act upon this decision. To me, the answer is obvious. They threaten to kill nearly all people in the world and are trying it (though failing miserably, of course), so, unless we kill more than that amount of people, all of the killing is justified because those people will try and try without regard to their own life until we're all gone. |
Some people just don't have any sense. All countries and nations have their better aspects and more negative aspects, but no one country deserves to be a scapegoat of come sort, really.
Besides, America doesn't kill people, people kill people. |
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@Allucard: That logic only makes sense to me to an extent.
People of ALL races do things, good or bad, to people. So what if an American person gave another person a cookie? They're both people. Just becuase certain Americans do bad things doesn't mean that all Americans should be viewed negatively or assumed to be "bad." |
I've pretty much bounced back and forth on the subject of if America is truly what it's portrayed to be and as currently is I'm A'Okay with America. I'm not saying 'OMgZ AMEIrcA PwnZ U' but I do think we have some advantages as goes with being an American. Our government isn't perfect by a long shot(*COUGH*Too bureaucratic*COUGH*) but name a government that is. Our people arn't perfect and many western and non-western countries enjoy similar freedoms and privileges but name a country that doesn't have it's share of village idiots. As for Bush haters(yes, I hate him too but for all the right reasons), name a politician thats never made a mistake. It's called generalizations and every one does it. So instead of saying that 'OMGZ America is teh awesome and U shud think so 2', why not just say that America is no better or worse than any one else.
Oh, and yes, some Americans are fat but it's much more than we just sit around and eat all day. It's a combination of many things that cause obesity including genetics, stress, diet, exercise(or lack there of), family tradition, etc. Look at modern America today; every thing is based on how fast can we go and this leads to many of the causes for obesity, some of which I just listed. |
But if America starts a war that kills people, America can and should be held responsible for the deaths of those people.
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@Allucard: Depending on the situation, I'd be more exact.
You can believe whatever it is that you want to believe, but it makes more sense to me to shift the blame to the specific person or people who started the war that killed people, and not just the entire nation they're part of. Odds are, that nation may have people who didn't want it to happen and still weren't for it during whenever it happens. |
Okay, not every U.S. citizen is responsable.
But if elected officials, representing the nation as a whole, start the war, and people die, it's their fault, and since they represent the U.S. the U.S. is to blame. Maybe it wasn't Joe Normal, but the nation he pledges his allegiance to certainly should be accountable. And I would say he's got a share of the blame if he in any way supported the war. From enlisting and doing the killing, to saying it's okay for the troops to go off and start a fight, because it's more important to support them regardless of their actions than to be right, it was all stupid and it earns a lot of people a slice of guilt, and hopefully shame. |
@Allucard: Yes, I wouldn't think every American citizen is responsible.
I suppose the elected officials could be to blame. I wouldn't blame any that were against the idea, but that's just me. I'm not really one to support the troops. The only thing I support in the midst of war is life, and lots of it in the end, hopefully. Honestly, war is quite overrated and we'd be much better off just not doing it. |
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