These days, most people are anti-human.

Listen.

People are constantly blaming everyone else.

For example, these days, everyone hates America. They hate America because America "kills people" and causes obesity and takes away people's freedoms and they constantly call Bush a fascist and stuff.

Here's what I always say to them, nearly word for word:

"Go live in your bartering world with no lights, no electricity, and... oh... yeah... you're not even talking to me because the computer wouldn't be invented."

What's wrong with these people? Without America, freedom practically wouldn't exist. Slavery probably would still exist because, before America, most countries in Europe did have slaves. The obesity thing? Yeah. Put down the fork, fatty. That has nothing to do with America. It's not like Bush made people get fat. As for the killing people? Lots of people kill other people. Just look at the radical Muslims.

Come on!

I agree, But I have to say, I've never actually hard
about the fat part. Anyways, Go TouYube! Tell them off! x]

Originally Posted by `Haru

I agree, But I have to say, I've never actually hard
about the fat part. Anyways, Go TouYube! Tell them off! x]

You never heard about the obesity?

People are like "You're proud to be an American? Well America has the #1 amount of obese people in the world!"

I made an American Pride thread on Gaia and I got like 5,000 posts about how America actually sucks and that I should go to hell. Of course, they all live in America

What do you mean by "anti-human"?

That little example of yours has so many holes in its agrument I don't even know where to begin.

Has it ever occured to you that those people in those kinds of countries are happy with the few possions they have? Maybe that's why they "hate" America. You have just demonstrated that Americans are a bunch of materialistic, stuck up, snobs. There are people in the world who have it bad but still have a reason to smile and be happy. People that don't need/want the modern advances that you and I know and love.

You have also demonstrated that you are rather poor in the area of history. America was not the first to abolish slavery. Britain abolished it in 1839 and I am certain other countries did so before them. Slavery still exists today regardless of whether or not the US pratices it. The world does not revolve around the United States and is incredibly biased to say that freedom would not be in existence if not for it.

As for the radical muslims, you act as though they are the only ones who are doing something wrong. Look at from their prespective: A bunch of American snobs show up and take out Sadam. YAY! No more of that guy, but wait... why aren't they leaving? No, we don't want a democracy. We don't want to be like you. Let us practice our traditional ways of selecting our leaders. You go back to America.

Originally Posted by Sparkle

What do you mean by "anti-human"?

That little example of yours has so many holes in its agrument I don't even know where to begin.

Has it ever occured to you that those people in those kinds of countries are happy with the few possions they have? Maybe that's why they "hate" America. You have just demonstrated that Americans are a bunch of materialistic, stuck up, snobs. There are people in the world who have it bad but still have a reason to smile and be happy. People that don't need/want the modern advances that you and I know and love.

You have also demonstrated that you are rather poor in the area of history. America was not the first to abolish slavery. Britain abolished it in 1839 and I am certain other countries did so before them. Slavery still exists today regardless of whether or not the US pratices it. The world does not revolve around the United States and is incredibly biased to say that freedom would not be in existence if not for it.

As for the radical muslims, you act as though they are the only ones who are doing something wrong. Look at from their prespective: A bunch of American snobs show up and take out Sadam. YAY! No more of that guy, but wait... why aren't they leaving? No, we don't want a democracy. We don't want to be like you. Let us practice our traditional ways of selecting our leaders. You go back to America.

I'll address the slavery thing. I knew that slavery was taken care of by Britain before that because the North made it a war about slaves so they could get more British support.

Next I'll address the people who are happy with few materials. I'll say that people always want to be richer no matter where they are. If they don't, they're just calling it sour grapes.

Next the muslims. They are pissed at us because of their crazy religion. End of story.

Originally Posted by TouYube

Next I'll address the people who are happy with few materials. I'll say that people always want to be richer no matter where they are. If they don't, they're just calling it sour grapes.

Am I correct in assuming that you are equating wealth with material goods? If that's true, then I have to say that no, not everyone wants to be rich, or richer than they are. I would say instead that everyone wants to be happy, but that is not dependent on material things.

Also, accusing unhappy rich people of being materialistic snobs is not exactly being jealous. It's more like stating the facts.

Originally Posted by TouYube

I'll address the slavery thing. I knew that slavery was taken care of by Britain before that because the North made it a war about slaves so they could get more British support.

Next I'll address the people who are happy with few materials. I'll say that people always want to be richer no matter where they are. If they don't, they're just calling it sour grapes.

Next the muslims. They are pissed at us because of their crazy religion. End of story.

...What is this about the civil war? Send me a link to this information because that doesn't sound right. Why would the North need British support? The civil war was not about slaves until Lincoln's Emancation Proclaimation, pardon my spelling. Up until that point, it was about how much control the central government has over the individual states and their issues (although slavery was one of those flash points).

I agree that people are always looking to get richer or elevate their status in society, but many are happy with their humble livings and lifestyles. Sure, living conditions could always be better for them but my point is that they are happy just the way they are. They are happy with no interference from the outside.

The more you talk, the more I really start to dislike my home country. You know the reason why they are so angery? It is because many individuals, like yourself, completely dismiss their "crazy religion". Who are you to say their religion is crazy? Do you even know the first thing about the Islamic religion? Isn't one of the basic principals of america freedom of religion and to not be persucuted for such beliefs?

You can say 'american snobs', okay, but it isn't fair to describe the soldiers in Iraq that way.
They go through a lot training. Like being beaten to increase toughness and such.They wanted to protect their families and their country. It isn't their fault. It's the governments. They have no choice. They're told to 'go to Iraq'. It's illegal for them to refuse. It's sad. I've been to bases. Seen the families there mourning the loss of spouses and parents. Handfuls of childre that don't know what to do now that their parent/parents are gone.
And while they suffer, the rest of the country blames the soldiers. Bush and others in power are to blame for sending them and throwing away lives on both sides.

Toutube is wrong in many ways, but not all americans are spoiled. It's not right to judge a whole country by some of the country's more ignorant members or by its leadership.
I'll admit. This country has many problems and many of the people are ignorant and stupid. Our poor education system is to blame for that.
I can't help being raised here. If you ask me I'm Masedonian(sp?), scotch and German. But, because I live here, I'm just American or "white".

It doesn't matter that my mother grew a farmer's daughter poor as dirt or that we practice donating everything that isn't essential. I'm automatically spoiled and bigoted just for living here.

i blame lots of people. :?

I apoligize Sanctuary for my rude generalizations of the soliders in Iraq. I agree that the troops have it hard and need to be supported or, better yet, brought home. It truly is sad that the cost that is being paid for something that, most likely, won't happen. Let's just hope the next president pulls us out of the war.

Originally Posted by Chexala

Am I correct in assuming that you are equating wealth with material goods? If that's true, then I have to say that no, not everyone wants to be rich, or richer than they are. I would say instead that everyone wants to be happy, but that is not dependent on material things.

Also, accusing unhappy rich people of being materialistic snobs is not exactly being jealous. It's more like stating the facts.

That's not at all what I'm talking about.

Would you be an unhappy rich person or an unhappy poor person?

Would you rather be a happy rich person or a happy poor person?

Being rich is never a negative.

anti-human never heard that word before
but i agree with you but still
i like living here cause atleast your not starving or live on the streets but i mean people still live on the streets here but thats cause there mostly drugies or dont have jobs something like that but i still agree with in some ways but others i'll have to defend America :D

Originally Posted by Sparkle

I apoligize Sanctuary for my rude generalizations of the soliders in Iraq. I agree that the troops have it hard and need to be supported or, better yet, brought home. It truly is sad that the cost that is being paid for something that, most likely, won't happen. Let's just hope the next president pulls us out of the war.

Thank you for understanding Sparkle <3
I hope they bring them home.
I want to see my uncle again, before it's too late.

Originally Posted by TouYube

That's not at all what I'm talking about.

Would you be an unhappy rich person or an unhappy poor person?

Would you rather be a happy rich person or a happy poor person?

Being rich is never a negative.

Really? From what you are saying, being rich with material possesions is more important than everything else. What about those who are rich in other ways? Ways that may not yeild material wealth but bring a sense of pride and accomplishment and the feeling that one is doing something wonderful fo the world. They say that money does not buy happiness and that is definatly true. What good is money if you are not happy? If anything, it would just bring and sense of unworthiness and lonelyness. Have you ever heard of the book "The Great Gatsby"? You should consider reading it. It will change your view on this rich/poor happiness deal.

• Anti-human? Freedom wouldn't exist without the US? Muslims are just "pissed" because of their "crazy religion"?
  
  
  
  ..Are you for real about this? :|

Your argument went straight from "people are anti-human" to "people are anti-American". XD Well, I do think that in general we've become much more apathetic towards our fellow man, or at least I've come to believe so based on my experiences and the media. This isn't to say the whole world has followed this trend though, of course.

However, I think that Americans get a little to egotistical about how grand we are. America certainly has done great things and still is working towards that goal, but we also have certainly stumbled along the way. Personally, I think a lot of us need to stop caring if we're liked or disliked, but still listen to criticism. (And yes, I do live in America.)

Originally Posted by Sparkle

...What is this about the civil war? Send me a link to this information because that doesn't sound right. Why would the North need British support? The civil war was not about slaves until Lincoln's Emancation Proclaimation, pardon my spelling. Up until that point, it was about how much control the central government has over the individual states and their issues (although slavery was one of those flash points).

I agree that people are always looking to get richer or elevate their status in society, but many are happy with their humble livings and lifestyles. Sure, living conditions could always be better for them but my point is that they are happy just the way they are. They are happy with no interference from the outside.

The more you talk, the more I really start to dislike my home country. You know the reason why they are so angery? It is because many individuals, like yourself, completely dismiss their "crazy religion". Who are you to say their religion is crazy? Do you even know the first thing about the Islamic religion? Isn't one of the basic principals of america freedom of religion and to not be persucuted for such beliefs?

I learned about that in 7th grade.

Content, but you can always be better.

WHY DO I SAY THEIR RELIGION IS CRAZY? BECAUSE THEY INTERPRET THE RELIGION TO SAY THAT THEY WANT TO KILL ME AND MY PEOPLE! (My family is Jewish, by the way) I'm not even making this up. I agree. The Muslims aren't supposed to think that and they're supposed to be tolerant of other religions. They're called fanatics because they interpret the religion to say that they need to kill all Jews. And they even say that. They say it right to our faces.

Yes, we have the right to believe in anything. I would say that all of the same steps that were taken to get black people freed should be taken to give the white people the freedom to hate black people. I'm not racist, of course, but freedom of belief is the idea. I do not, however, believe that just because you think you should kill the Jews and that the Jews descended from the apes and pigs, you are automatically entitled to killing people.

Originally Posted by Ferra

Your argument went straight from "people are anti-human" to "people are anti-American". Well, I do think that in general we've become a much apathetic towards our fellow man, or at least I've come to believe so based on my experiences and the media. (This isn't to say the whole world has followed this trend.)

However, I think that Americans get a little to egotistical about how grand we are. America certainly has done great things and still is working towards that goal, but we certainly stumbled along the way. Personally, I think a lot of us need to stop caring if we're liked or disliked, but still listen to criticism. (And yes, I do live in America.)

Ooh, I actually had another argument that went along the same lines, but people criticizing all humans and global warming, but I'd like to start with America.

I agree that we have big heads, but we do have quite the reason to. As for the liked or disliked thing, that's happening all over the world, and it has nothing to do with constitutional stuff. That's the media and falls under American press, which I do dislike for multiple reasons that do not belong in this thread, unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Sanctuary

Thank you for understanding Sparkle <3
I hope they bring them home.
I want to see my uncle again, before it's too late.

I truly am sorry, and I hope this whole thing ends soon. *begins researching presidential canidates*

@ljosberinn: I'm afraid so.

Originally Posted by TouYube

You never heard about the obesity?

People are like "You're proud to be an American? Well America has the #1 amount of obese people in the world!"

I made an American Pride thread on Gaia and I got like 5,000 posts about how America actually sucks and that I should go to hell. Of course, they all live in America

CRIPES don't I know it! My goodness that makes me so angry! D:<
There are kids in my classes who feel that way, and assume that everyone else shares their 'un-obscured' view of american society and that they know exactly how to make it 'all betters.'

GRAH.
So angry. I'm always happy to tell these people that they can either sit down and quit forcing his opinions on me in this wonderful land of the free which allows him to have those opinions in the first place, or get the #$%@ out because there's easily ten people vying for his spot.

Angry.


Sparkle -- I know this is going to sound wrong and terrible and judgmental...and I'm sorry that it is going to be taken that way. We aren't fighting because of Muslim or Islamic affiliations. We are fighting in retaliation. We started war in the Near East because the 9/11 incident stomped on our toes, big time. So we stomped back. The vengeance spilled over in to the Iraqi region and took out Saddam Hussein, which undoubtedly caused a rapid decay of the standing political system and forced us in good measure to stick around and try to help set up something new, something else, even though we aren't doing very well. Believe me when I say that just leaving that in a stew of political struggle and fire without any third-party military would have been way worse than anything than is happening right now. It's just how the faction cookie crumbles.
A sad and depressing number of people have assigned a poor name to all Islamic people because of this war, but that isn't right. We aren't there because of Islam. We are there because we have to at least try to make things right by helping to clean up the mess we caused.

Wow. =/ That is a sweeping generalization about Islam. They're called "radical extremists" for a reason; that means that they are a small minority of the broad religion and therefore most Muslims don't share their views. (There are plenty of Christian extremists that are just as bad.)

I'm not as familiar with Islam as I'd like to be, but I'd be wary before forming opinions based on things I'm told by my family or the media about a different religion.

Originally Posted by Ferra

Wow. =/ That is a sweeping generalization about Islam. They're called "radical extremists" for a reason; that means that they are a small minority of the broad religion and therefore most Muslims don't share their views. (There are plenty of Christian extremists that are just as bad.)

I'm not as familiar with Islam as I'd like to be, but I'd be wary before forming opinions based on things I'm told by my family or the media about a different religion.

I know.

I'm talking about the radical extremists.

Duh?

Originally Posted by TouYube

I agree that we have big heads, but we do have quite the reason to. As for the liked or disliked thing, that's happening all over the world, and it has nothing to do with constitutional stuff. That's the media and falls under American press, which I do dislike for multiple reasons that do not belong in this thread, unfortunately.

I'm not sure I understand that last part. What do you mean it "has nothing to do with constitutional stuff"? I didn't really imply that it did.

But I do agree that I dislike the media as it currently is. I don't like the idea that I always have to fact-check the news, but yet I can drown in celebrity gossip.

Originally Posted by TouYube

I know.

I'm talking about the radical extremists.

Duh?

I misread a part so it sounded like you meant all Muslims. ^^; Still, I'm not sure most of the extremists really reside in Iraq anyways; we seemed to drop the anti-terrorism goal after Afghanistan. But I'm not well versed in current affairs, so I'm reserved on making a strong judgment about the war.

Honestly, all you've done right here is prove that there are reasons that American isn't exactly the best place to live. Sure, we have freedom and we have tolerance. Or at least we advertise the tolerance part pretty well, but look at yourself. Insulting Muslims for their religion? More or less stating that money is all that matters in the world? A perfect example of what most people see Americans as. Narrow-minded snobs with no vision of appreciation and materialistic lifestyles. You don't need money to be happy. Certainly, its a pleasure to have some, but you know what they say. Money doesn't buy you happiness.