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Jaded Geisha 02-23-2008 08:37 PM

Am I crazy for finding this offensive?
 
Okay so I logged onto myspace today and guess what I happened to see? this Ad...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ffensivead.jpg

A sterotypical and down right offensive dipiction of an african man...

Well I made a forum post about it (Yes myspace has forums... Why are so many people surprised by that?) to see if anyone else had seen said Ad and apparently I am the only person on myspace who finds this to be slightly racist... Am I crazy?

EDIT

Apparently I'm not... and I thought you should all see this very informative Post by Memarcus on this subject so those of you who are rather uninformed in american history can understand where folks like Memarcus and I are comming from in our arguements against this ad...

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Originally Posted by memarcus
@ torikat and serafim_azriel - i thank you for your comments, and as a general comment towards the impact of offensive imagery, i would also like to add that when an image is used to portray stereotypical and offensive imagery, then in certain instances it can be seen as promoting a racist mentality, and in other instances directly used to promote actions of hatred or violence towards minority communities.

in regards to further information as to why this image can be viewed as so offensive, there was an image in a pro-slavery advertisement during the civil war (and unfortunately i cannot find it because it was in a history book that i owned a long time ago) that portrayed a very similar image to the cartoon drawing in the original post, although this image was not portrayed in a cartoon way, but rather in a more realistic artistic format. in this image, there was an african man standing with a spear and a bone in his nose in the middle of a jungle. this image was meant to be a realistic depiction of a typical african. directly next to this image was a well dressed white family at a plantation and their black slave dressed in a nice suit. in this advertisement, the caption read that white people should not be ashamed of slavery but rather embrace it because white people were obviously saving black people from a primitive and inferior culture, and reforming african lives for the better by guiding them towards a more "civilized" european/american lifestyle. this mentality that white people were doing black people a favor by promoting slavery and black people should be grateful for the culture being enforced upon them was an argument that was used for the promotion of slavery during the time of succession/civil war. the image was meant to promote this mentality by showing what was supposed to be viewed as a primitive, inferior african compared next to a well-dressed african slave in a white owned plantation.

similar images were not only used to provide justification for slavery, but were also used in other hate filled propaganda that were used to promote actions of violence and degradation towards black people. the concept behind this image is also where the term "jungle bunny" comes from, a degrading term used to describe black people. the fact of the matter is, images like these were extensively used to dehumanize the black community.

now, towards serafim_azriel's comments, i think that everybody, regardless of background, understands the different concepts behind racism, how the desire to be sensitive can sometimes lead to unsubstantiated allegations, and that no culture can be completely exempt from personally experiencing some form of discrimination. however, given my background, as a jewish individual, members of my family witnessed first hand during the holocaust how images based on hate filled propaganda were used in order to promote feelings of hatred and violence towards the jewish community. so, sometimes images can be taken seriously, be viewed as very powerful, and have a very devastating impact.

now, given a modern context, and the fact this particular image is so silly and cartoonish, this image would most likely not be considered as offensive as the examples used earlier in this post, and it really is difficult to compare this image to the far more serious examples i used earlier in this post. but the fact of the matter is, similar images to the one originally posted were used in a negative manner and have a very offensive history behind it. once again, when people create images such as these, they really should be far more sensitive and aware of the history behind images such as these, or at the very least take responsibility for the reaction that might result from an image of this nature. an image in itself may not be necessarily considered racist, however, when an image portrays similarities to other offensive imagery that was used to promote degradation, dehumanization, and even violence, then an image can be viewed as unacceptable.

and even though blocking one image will not cure racism entirely, it does show that people desire, out of simple human decency, to treat other cultures, identities, and communities with respect. it is also out of simple human nature to try to identify with others, and treat others with mutual respect. this type of behavior should be promoted as a means to treating others better, and there's no proof that treating others with respect causes others to turn to hatred. if anything, it promotes awareness, education, and cultural understanding. essentially, the more accurate information people have on different cultures, the less chance there is for false or inaccurate impressions on other communities. since the media can be viewed as an informative tool, the media should already be aware of this, as well as keep this in mind when providing either accurate or false imagery to the general public.

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Originally Posted by serafim_azriel
Okay, so Jaded, I decided to help you get your point across and show EXACTLY what I believe you were trying to say. This is a modern racist cartoon from a racist website.

http://www.resist.com/CARTOON%20GALL...ig_image01.jpg

EDIT: I posted this because I believe this is what Jaded Geisha is referring to in an non-humorous way (unless you are racist).


ElectricVmpr 02-23-2008 08:39 PM

i totally agree that is very racist....

Eserel 02-23-2008 08:41 PM

.-.
Its racist,
But totally normal.
Its very common to see very crappy annoying spammy adds.
Just ignore it and move on.

Vappor1 02-23-2008 08:41 PM

I wouldn't say that it's racist.. I mean, it's not like they intend to offend the race. It's just an ad.

MasterChiefrei 02-23-2008 08:42 PM

....*stares at it for a while*...how is this racist? Although it's not funny I don't see the racism. Do black people not live in Africa and are there not rhinos in Africa?

Jaded Geisha 02-23-2008 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterChiefrei
....*stares at it for a while*...how is this racist? Although it's not funny I don't see the racism. Do black people not live in Africa and are there not rhinos in Africa?

Its the fact that the caricature utilizes offensive depictions of african features... IE the oversized red lips... That I find offensive... It's like drawing an asian person with really squinty eyes and buck teeth...

Eserel 02-23-2008 08:56 PM

.-.
Maybe its just the cartoon style.
I mean have you seen caricatures.
They emphasize certain features too.
Don't get too pissed about it.

Ebil 02-23-2008 09:05 PM

Well I've never met any African man who looked anything like that, so I'd not consider it offensive.

.Poisonous.Cyanide. 02-23-2008 09:14 PM

Well, I can see why someone would consider it to be racist, but eh, I don't really think it's meant to be offensive

DreamEmpress 02-23-2008 09:18 PM

Yeah but what about all the white people they do? A lot of times it is fun to make fun of ourselves. If we sit here and find everything offensive, we might as well live in a bubble. I see it all the time with every race and even comedians of their own race make fun of themselves. It is common and it is not meant to be racist, just meant to be stupid.

silevrygit 02-23-2008 09:38 PM

>>; I don't see how it,s offensive I mean...in every damn commercial they make blondes jokes, black jokes...even chinese jokes o_O we should just let it go -_-

Taylor 02-23-2008 09:39 PM

well, they would put a white man or an asian or something if there were rhinos everywhere else. |:

and as for the look of him (the big bone and stuff), well, it's a cartoon. cartoons are meant to look funny/stupid.

Erathene 02-23-2008 09:53 PM

I can see where you're coming from. The people who created it should have been a little more thoughtful about what they put in their ad. Though at the end of the day, it's just an ad. Companies will do anything nowadays just to get your attention.

PayShi 02-23-2008 10:07 PM

Yes, even Chappele (I can never spell this man's name. XD) made fun of black people. >_> And it wasn't like he was being RACIST about it... it was just stereotypically funny.
Actually, this makes me think of that caveman commercial. xD And the caveman gets all defensive. Although cavemen don't exist, it does kind of relate to this. I wonder if any African American IS offended by that ad?
I do see where you are coming from. But I don't really think there is any racism BEHIND it. Have you not seen the other ads that are cartoony and look the same? They got the women with TINY waists, and BIG breasts, and pretty eyes and perfect hair. Isn't that... well... idealistic? Or exaggerating? Because I don't know hardly ANY women that look like that. Though, I didn't think of it as anything but an Ad until now.
The media tends to exaggerate or be melodramatic about things. Especially the physical features of things.

I'm not offended by white cracks or jokes. That ad with the skinny women doesn't really offend me either. What does make me mad and makes me recognize racism is when people talk about black people like they are not even HUMAN. Like... they are some other species or something. And the same thing goes for any other race talked about like that.

There is still racism. But I don't let it destroy my world where I appreciate that people look different and have different cultures... or where we can playfully make fun of each other (without being racist or offensive.) I've got plenty of black friends I see everyday. I doubt they would even think that was racist at all.

MasterChiefrei 02-23-2008 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaded Geisha
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Originally Posted by MasterChiefrei
....*stares at it for a while*...how is this racist? Although it's not funny I don't see the racism. Do black people not live in Africa and are there not rhinos in Africa?

Its the fact that the caricature utilizes offensive depictions of african features... IE the oversized red lips... That I find offensive... It's like drawing an asian person with really squinty eyes and buck teeth...

But I've seen caricatures of white people with big noses and lips before and apparently everyone in the south is a redneck. But it's not racist and offensive because it's just a drawing and isn't insinuating anything. If there was a depiction making it offensive then there'd be a problem.

clock 02-23-2008 10:41 PM


I agree with Dream.

I don't see it as racist at all. I see it as a cartoon drawn that way. And in Africa, there are rhinos. Are you saying that an African has never been chased by a rhino? It could happen. xD

I would not be offended by a drawing of a redneck sitting there drinking beer and watching Nascar either. That is insinuating something; it's saying that rednecks are stupid low-lifes who just sit around all day. But I'm not going to take that to heart.

Jali 02-23-2008 10:50 PM

I don't see what the big deal is.
I don't really find it racist at all!
Yes indeed, Africans in Africa look like that, and yes there are rhinos in Africa!
What are they going to draw, a rhino in an African setting, with a normaly, untribal dressed person?
http://bp2.blogger.com/_JmpkIMgnzIE/...hg/s400/11.jpg
Bone through the nose and all!

It should just be ignored!
Though, maybe it's another tatic at getting people's attention!
People get offened, and they want to look into it further.
It's just one of those many annoying, cheaply made, spam ads.

Sagitar 02-23-2008 11:09 PM

nope, I don't see it as racist. As someone said, it's just like an African person running away from a rhino, very possible in Africa, don't you think?
It's not something to laugh at though..

Vickicat 02-24-2008 12:22 AM

Ad.
 
LOL wow... That is kind of bad. But I've seen so many of those stupid ads where you have to click a button and do whatever, and they have all sorts of weird looking people on them. They've got weird looking white people in the ads as well so I don't think it's really that big of a deal. All the drawings in those ads are poorly done and weird. And the ads are all weird themselves. I've seen a few myself that made me go, "Wait, WTF?" So yeah. x_x

life in red and black 02-24-2008 12:32 AM

I recognize those ads. They also make fun of hicks, fat guys, white guys, nerds, dorks, mustached guys, blondes, and women. Have you noticed that too? O.o?

@Jaded Geisha - I'm asian, and I've seen caricatures of asian people with really squinty eyes and buck teeth way too often... and women with big boobs and butt. Both pictures annoy me, but all too common.

Just pointing that out.

juniper_silver 02-24-2008 12:54 AM

I don't find it offensive, but I don't think you're crazy for finding it offensive. In my opinion it's just a silly cartoon caricature like other people have said. And I think I'm somewhere in the middle on being politically correct...not too extreme in either direction.

Nevaeh 02-24-2008 01:24 AM

I don't know, I don't find anything offensive about it, because it's just an ad. I mean, you're not crazy, because we all have our own views, but to me, it's just a whatever, because it's an ad.

Takabean 02-24-2008 01:33 AM

I dont really see what's racost about it... I dont get how the color of the mans skin automatically makes it racist. If it were to be a white person would you STILL think its bad? I hope this doesnt make me seem racist, but I'm just making a point.

Julia Caesar 02-24-2008 02:45 AM

I dunno. The nose seems off and if you just replaced the skin tone it could be a white caveman and there were probably black caveman too.

Now that you say it though I see, but I would have never thought it offensive on my own.

In fact the person doesn't look black to me at all. Looks Grey.

Uzura 02-24-2008 03:00 AM

And what about all the sexist adds?

Spray the cheerleader and win!
Unravel the girl's dress and win!
Do some sort of sexually related act with this blond, large breasted, animated girl and get rewarded for it!


I find those far more offensive...


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