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Intoxicate 03-06-2008 02:08 AM

A quote adding to Nissa's point.

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Originally Posted by Agent Smith, The Matrix

Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

Yes, it's a movie quote, but you can see the validity here.

Petrakan 03-06-2008 02:18 AM

I love that movie!
On Topic: 'Smart' is too relative a term. Intelligence is not measured by how well you can survive in a jungle or a computer lab. Consider this: Humans spent years of their lives working hard, hating their job, learning, hating school, increasing the life expectancy of other humans, starting wars, stopping wars at a high cost, and making themselves miserable. Animals seek food, and when they find it, they are happy. Animals seek shelter, and when they find it, they are happy. If they have an abundance of food, then they save it, or share it, or eat it. If they are low on food, they find a way to get more. Such a simple lifestyle sounds very appealing to me. I would rather be an animal.

Bunai 03-06-2008 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Fullmetal Phantom
Intelligence is relative. An ocelot couldn't use a computer, no...but does a human instinctively know where to bite down on a mouse to bring instant death, and guarantee them a meal? No.

...? all a human has to do is break the neck. a human baby can kill a mouse!

going for the neck, eyes, and attacking from behind, is something even a human can figure out, without being taught.


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can a human communicate effectively WITHOUT a spoken or written language? Unless they know sign language, that's another hell no. Yet many animals can instinctively communicate silently.
humans are capable of silent communication. we have our eyes and limbs, and other exposed parts of the body. someone does not have to be in tears, or make audible noises of crying, to let you know that they are hurt or upset.

young animals NEED to be taught to communicate without audible noises. they watch their parents or other members of their group.

some is instinctive, but certainly not all of it.


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Like you mentioned, humans need fancy gadgets to predict the weather; animals are so in tune with nature that they can feel when a storm is coming.
hmm. if i see a gray cloud coming. i know its going to rain. its not difficult.

at times parts of my body ache or swell if there is a bad storm or change in weather. and plenty of other humans have the same thing happen to them.

some people get headaches when an earth quake comes. some people are born sensitive to such things.

we may not have the hearing or smelling distance, but we have the sense to know a change in weather.



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I know I could never survive with chimps - I smile too much; I'd get everyone thinking I was messing with them. I could never survive with wolves - I don't know enough about hunting or foraging. And hell, to be honest, I think at this point I would very literally go insane if I even TRIED living like a wild animal just for not having my music. Animals have me beat in that area, and I'm not afraid to admit it. :|

just because you feel pampered in your life, it does not mean there are no other humans who do indeed know how to live off the land. how do you think humans survived for so long?

there are plenty of people who have lived and even were accepted - into a group of wild animals. the human had to study how to interact.

what about people who live in the Amazon, whos only experience with technology was people coming to film them and take pictures?

are they unintelligent?
they lack schools, computers, and at times -clothing. but they have lived that way for hundreds of years. and still going strong


Animals accept what they know and what is around them, its a matter of surviving. there is nothing telling them to believe in or not to believe in something.

wispytearz 03-06-2008 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Yumeh
*preens regally in agreement with Nissa*

Awww! Is a Yumeh kitty ^_^ *cuddles the kitty*

Mars180 03-06-2008 03:05 AM

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Caroline 03-06-2008 07:41 AM

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Humans are nothing without empathy and compassion, and nonhuman animals seem to have more of that than most people.

I have to agree. I think with the "power" we've gained as we've supposedly progressed, we've lost a lot of those emotions and traits. We do so much just because we can, even if it hurts other humans and/or animals.

Not to start a big quote tree or anything but the nasty things that we as humans do are not the only traits that define us. We are also very capable of compassion. I think the cynics like to point out that we're the only ones that hate and murder members of our own species... clearly they haven't seen chimpanzee territorialism, where they'd actually kill and cannibalize members of their own species (particularly baby chimps) in wars over territory. Or what about predators simply fighting and competing against each other because there's no longer enough food to go around in their given environment?

What I'm trying to get at is maybe it IS a double edged sword that we've become more rational beings; it's led to the development of a concentrated and sophisticated emergence of hatred. But the opposite is true too; we also have the potential for equal amounts of compassion.

Now being more rational beings doesn't necessarily make us better, it just means that the range of thoughts and emotions we can experience is greater, for better or worse.

Animals fight and kill for basic needs such as shelter/territory, food, and mating. It's survival of the fittest. Humans are the only animals who kill out of cold blood.

The majority of humans seem to be apathetic and uncaring towards others. I recently began reading about Golden Gate Bridge suicides and it really hits close to home, not just in a metaphorical sense but literally as well (I used to live in San Francisco and I plan to move back soon). The bridge averages one suicide every two weeks. It is closed at night, except to bicyclists who must buzz in at the security station, so it's not like the people who jump off are all alone with no one to stop them. No, they kill themselves surrounded by tourists, with cars driving past, people sailing and kitesurfing below. People have sobbed on the bridge for half an hour to an hour prior to jumping, with others only stopping to ask them to take a picture. One survivor was actually saved by a seal in the water -- no one on the bridge stopped him, but a bay seal cared enough to swim up to the boy after he landed upright in the water and keep him safely afloat until the Coast Guard arrived.

Animals are far more in tune with the emotions and motives of others.

Gossy 03-06-2008 06:27 PM

People seem to forget that humans are also animals and we are also the product of millions of years of evolutionary selection. We have fighting for shelter/territory/food bred into us as well. I don't think it is fair to judge that humans kill out of "cold blood" and other animals supposedly do it for reasons that are better.

Perhaps we are contained within the natural processes and maybe things like violent crime and suicide are here because we are animals, not in spite.

If you put a population of rats inside a closed environment and limit their food and water, then they will go through this fluxing cycle:

At first their population will increase to the point that they do not have enough food or water to sustain themselves. Then they will start to manifest strange aggressive behaviors, such as killing each other, not looking after their babies. Then the population will be very low and the cycle starts all over again.

Canary 03-06-2008 06:36 PM

oh of course animals are smarter
one time, I was trying to pull this door open and I thought it was stuck, but then my dog Romie got on his hind legs and pushed it open with his front paws and walked through
and I was all like O:
and he gave me this cheesy dog grin like he was laughing at me, it was nuts I tell you C:

Nissa 03-06-2008 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Intoxicate
A quote adding to Nissa's point.

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Originally Posted by Agent Smith, The Matrix

Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

Yes, it's a movie quote, but you can see the validity here.

Yeah, that is very true. The crappy thing is that we won't change. Even if we all know it to be true that we are going to make ourselves extinct, we won't change.

And yay! Yumeh agrees with me!
:D

Bunai 03-06-2008 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Caroline
Animals fight and kill for basic needs such as shelter/territory, food, and mating. It's survival of the fittest. Humans are the only animals who kill out of cold blood.

there are house dogs who get out of their territory, who will attack little dogs. what is that about?

i remember my teacher telling me about what happened to her poodle. two large dogs broke into her yard and -her words" 'raped' her dog. they basically terrorized the neighborhood for days before and after.

there are even dolphins, known for their "friendly nature/personality". who will go around to other Pods and kill the them or flip the babies out of the water. after that they leave the territory.


both humans and animals are capable of sitting with someone who looks upset.

for every person who drives by a supposed suicide. there are likely a number who call the police.

white12lily 03-06-2008 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenn_heart
I personally think humans are plain dumb. Now compared to animals, we're even dumber. Yes, we invented all sorts of technology, but that technology is killing our planet. Humans and animals both think, just in different ways. We don't know what they think and how, so we can't really judge whether or not we're smarter than animals.
Also, humans waste to much time and energy trying to learn everything. So what if we know about outer space and intermolecular forces? How does that help us survival-wise?

i agree

EpoxyObsession 03-06-2008 10:32 PM

I think humans are definitely smarter than the vast majority in animals because I think intelligence is primarily measured by the ability to think both concretely and abstractly. However, some animals demonstrate human-like thinking capacities; for instance, dolphins possess a complex language, an ability to engage in recreation, deeply seated grieving behavior, and many other signs of complex thought. Elephants and pigs also display similar abilities. Plus, these and other animals are likely smarter than some humans, because they can master tasks better than human children or mentally handicapped humans can.

To put it succinctly, I think fully functioning adult humans are (probably) the smartest, but animals are much brighter than we give them credit for.

RocketshipUnderpants 03-07-2008 12:08 AM

we are a thick-headed race to be sure
yep
animals are pretty much smarter than us in most all ways

Bunai 03-07-2008 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by white12lily
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Originally Posted by Jenn_heart
I personally think humans are plain dumb. Now compared to animals, we're even dumber. Yes, we invented all sorts of technology, but that technology is killing our planet. Humans and animals both think, just in different ways. We don't know what they think and how, so we can't really judge whether or not we're smarter than animals.
Also, humans waste to much time and energy trying to learn everything. So what if we know about outer space and intermolecular forces? How does that help us survival-wise?

i agree

So it's a waste of energy, to Think and Learn?

i say you two are own your own with that one. :?

MagicCrayon 03-07-2008 03:51 AM

Whoa, we wouldn't exactly know what to do in that type of situation because we aren't born in that kind of an environment. That doesn't mean we're stupid. If the person had the will to live, they'd figure away out. Just like putting an animal in a different environment than it's used to and watching it scramble, doesn't mean it's stupid.
I'm sure many people have said this already, humans ARE animals. Only, we figured out a way to build and invent things that make our surroundings work for us. In a sense I think humans are smarter, but we make some shitty decisions.

x-Snuffy 03-07-2008 07:24 PM

If I can be fair, I think animals are smarter then us. Animals can live without a cellphone, computer, and video games. If the worlds electricity died and no one had power anymore a majority of humans would go insane before they adapt because they don't have their petty little technologies. Animals on the other hand don't have all that. They have instincts that they depend on. Not technology. Humans most likely would just start over.

And have you seen the way some people act now a days? They are so ignorant they might as well be neither human or animal. :/

Gossy 03-07-2008 07:59 PM

But there are people in the world that live with no technology. There are still people living in remote places, and hard to reach areas like the Himalayas. Some people choose to live that way (the Amish) even when they have it available. Does that make them smarter than the rest of the human population?

Neshaka 03-07-2008 08:10 PM

Other animals can live without electronic gadgets... On the other hand, our species invented all those electronic gadgets. :/
And we keep finding new ways to make them better.

Animals can't use a mobile phone, or indeed almost any of the things we use daily.

Humans depend on instinct and nonverbal communication as much as animals. Animals don't even rely on instinct as much as people think. Most of the things animals know are learned behaviours - especially in regards to hunting, dangers, what not to eat, etc.

People seriously underestimate humans. Is it "familiarity breeds contempt"?

Vandastar 03-07-2008 08:22 PM

some animals maybe :)

Vandastar 03-07-2008 08:23 PM

animals are very smart but humans are smart too , sometimes i just wonder cuz dogs can be really smart but sometimes they are so stupid :) i really don't know ..

moosesmeeses 03-07-2008 08:27 PM

Aren't humans just a species of animal? So technically animals are the smartest!

Motion 03-07-2008 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenn_heart
I personally think humans are plain dumb. Now compared to animals, we're even dumber. Yes, we invented all sorts of technology, but that technology is killing our planet. Humans and animals both think, just in different ways. We don't know what they think and how, so we can't really judge whether or not we're smarter than animals.
Also, humans waste to much time and energy trying to learn everything. So what if we know about outer space and intermolecular forces? How does that help us survival-wise?

I don't really see how learning is a waste of time. :?

joih 03-07-2008 11:08 PM

I think humans are still better off than animals.

Here are my reasons
Humans managed to reproduce and take over the world. We increased in numbers up to the point that our population has reached the greatest outskirts of the world. We conquered sickness, decreased our mortality, invented all sorts of technology to make our life easier.

Having an easy life doesn't make us humans dumb. WE made this easy life. We created culture and technology so that we don't need to go through the hardships of animals in searching for food.

Let's take into account that when we used to live in hunting-gathering societies, we used to have the sharp instincts of animals. What you're presenting is an argument of a cultured man being thrown into the jungle. But how about a man BORN in the jungle? I think that man can function just as well as the next animal.

Our edge with other animals is that we have a bigger brain. We have evolved to be this way and speech is created because of our low larynx, impossible to do with other forms of animals. I'm basing this on anthropological findings.

So the animal instinct your pointing out can be easily learned by the next man unless he's too sensitive to learn. Just take survivor for example. You can see how people try to survive even in the so-called jungle.

Fujoshi Tsuki 03-08-2008 01:37 AM

Humans may seem more advanced, but in truth we are just as smart as animals. We feel pain, we rely on our instincts most of the time. Think of a high school, and compare it to a pack of wild animals, say, wolves for example. We have the center of attention - the preps - as the dominant males and females. They control the whole pack. And then we have the followers, the loners, the pups, and so on. It all ties together.

We are just as intelligent as animals. Though it pains me to say that saying that would make animals seem highly unintelligent.

Faggy 03-08-2008 07:46 PM

Men can adapt to certain situations fairly easy.

While animals can't.

Don't forget, we used to live in the wilderness way back when.

We did it before, we can do it again.



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