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Pearl 03-08-2008 09:50 PM

No. No Guns. Ever or anywhere.

Even if the individual has perfect mental health at the time of obtaining the weapon, anything can happen in a moment of high passion.

And mental health always has the chance to decline.

jelachu 03-08-2008 09:54 PM

So Pearl, are you saying that guns should be removed from the public completely? Even in the home? Are you saying that no one should be able to own a gun? Please elaborate a bit more, I'd like to know what you think.

Pearl 03-08-2008 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jelachu
So Pearl, are you saying that guns should be removed from the public completely? Even in the home? Are you saying that no one should be able to own a gun? Please elaborate a bit more, I'd like to know what you think.

I just don't see what good weapons do.

I don't know where you're from, but in the UK the laws on guns are less lenient than in America. I don't know a single person or family that has a gun in their home.

Peanut 03-08-2008 10:09 PM

I think that the Teacher and TEACHER ONLY should carry a gun.
And only to protect it's students.

Because There are many MANY people with anger issues these days, I'd rather not have my classmate with a gun.
>.>

EDIT:
I agree with Pearl also.
Not having guns at all = awesome.

jelachu 03-08-2008 10:24 PM

To the both of you - Yes, not having guns would be awesome, but the fact of the matter is..there are people with guns, guns exist, and no matter what we do, there will always be someone with a gun out there.
In situations where there was gun control in a country, the citizens that were not allowed to have guns ended up being rounded up and killed by their government because they had no way of defending themselves. o__O I'm not saying guns are good, but they are out there, and I rather be able to have one, than not.

Pearl 03-08-2008 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jelachu
To the both of you - Yes, not having guns would be awesome, but the fact of the matter is..there are people with guns, guns exist, and no matter what we do, there will always be someone with a gun out there.
In situations where there was gun control in a country, the citizens that were not allowed to have guns ended up being rounded up and killed by their government because they had no way of defending themselves. o__O I'm not saying guns are good, but they are out there, and I rather be able to have one, than not.

Guns are not the only weapons.
In the UK knife crime seems to be flourishing nicely. Sadly, there's more than one way to wound or murder.

Someone sneak into your house at night, Jelachu? No need to worry. Creep up behind them and do them in with a bread knife.

jelachu 03-08-2008 10:32 PM

@Pearl- I know guns aren't the only weapons out there, but they are a weapon, and people do have them. If someone snuck in to my house at night and they were armed, I'd have trouble taking them down with a knife. Unless I kept a weapon in my bedroom, I'd have no way of defending myself.

Pearl 03-08-2008 10:37 PM

You're not changing my mind... guns are evil. :]

mystic kiwi 03-08-2008 10:38 PM

I'm kind of split on the issue. I don't think that students should have guns on campus because there is a chance of someone that does not have a permit getting a hold of the gun. Knowing that students carry guns with them could possibly scare off people that are interested in going to school at a campus where students are allowed to carry guns. It would be bad from a business stand point in my opinion just because people are weird about guns.

There's the other side to the argument too where there is a rights to bear arms and people should have a right to carry a weapon with them if they chose to. I think in situations like the VT shooting students would be able to better protect themselves from someone that goes off the deep end like that, there's also an increase of attacks on campuses when people just walk out to their cars at night and things like that so being able to carry a weapon would be a good option as far as protection goes.

I don't think that the students should be able to have them in class with them, but they should be able to at least have a weapon with them if they wanted to in their cars or where they live if they register it with the campus so that the school at least knows who has guns and who doesn't.

clock 03-08-2008 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jelachu
@'clockwork- Oh I know what you meant, I wasn't saying that about what you said, sorry for that misunderstanding. But yeah I know what you mean. If you own a concealed the point is to not show it off XD And yeah some people may not follow all the rules, but what can you do..there will always be people like that no matter what the situation is.


Hehe, I didn't think you were talking about me, I was just adding that in. :] She was just showing it off to me, there wasn't really anyone else around. :] But I can see how some would want to show it off because they think they're cool.

jelachu 03-09-2008 07:37 AM

@Pearl- I'm not trying to, because I know its practically impossible to change someones views on issues like this. I just like hearing everything that people have to say on the subject.

@mystic kiwi- Yeah, I agree with most of that. It's a tough issue and it's hard to know where to draw the line.

@'clockwork- Oh XD I just wanted to make sure lol. Yeah some people do like to show off stuff like that, but if I had a gun I wouldn't want people knowing x_x

life in red and black 03-10-2008 04:45 AM

If we allowed guns in schools, we'll lose our warning alert senses when we see a gun. Instead, we'll start growing comfortable at the sight of a gun on campus instead of alarmed! A basic survival instinct of ours would be gone, and that could mean life or death, if someone reported seeing a gun on someone to the authorities.

Amo_Angelus 03-10-2008 05:15 AM

I think the simple fact that this has come up highlights the problem with American society today. Of course guns shouldn't be allowed in college, concealed or otherwise! Guns shouldn't be so freely available and the fact that they are means you get someone shot almost every day. Gun crime like that simply doesn't exist in other parts of the world. When you start allowing people as a whole to do something it becomes a lot easier for the sick bastards out there to abuse it.

Let's make guns freely available to people...hmmmm I wonder why so many people are getting shot? I KNOW Let's make it so they can freely take guns in more places because, of course, that is soooo going to make your situation better. :roll:

No guns, knives or any other kind of weapon should not be allowed in schoolastic enviroments. I believe you're there to learn, NOT to run around with guns! And I've been to college. I know how much drinking is involved and I would not want to be in a college where people are carrying guns. Because drinking and guns do NOT go well together.

shinigami12 03-11-2008 12:11 AM

Just to be honest I think that some sort of self protection should be allowed on campuss.Because what if someone randomly came up to you and yelled,"GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY NOW",how exactly would you react?I would probably use so sort of martial arts aginst the mugger.

InfinitysDaughter 03-11-2008 12:24 AM

I have mixed feeling on this issue.

On one hand, MORE weapons in a small space definently does not mean its safer. I know the people I usually see hanging out in the are I usually go to chill between classes should never be aloud to have a gun. You know the type, the gangster rebel type. I'm sorry but those guys scare me enough when they get into arguments with just pool sticks let alone if they had weapons on them.


But on the other hand, my friends and I were recently targets of a threat at school and I know I would have felt much safer if my guy friend could carry while on campus. He knows how to use it properly unlike our security staff (dumber then a box of rocks). And if I'd been trained to use one I might have felt safer to have one.

But then again, with the above, the guy threatening us might have been able to carry it out right away since he could get on campus with his gun in the first place and the rest of us wouldn't have had a warning.

Amithyst 03-11-2008 01:48 AM

Only to the mentally stable. :3

Motion 03-11-2008 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Amithyst
Only to the mentally stable. :3

And even those have crazy moments too. xD

thewalruswasjack 03-11-2008 02:03 AM

idk how i feel. i don't think anything would ever happen but i don't think it's a good idea. why would college students NEED a gun?

Maria-Minamino 03-11-2008 03:03 AM

In all honesty I see the potential of having guns for protection on campus - but at the same time I see the harm as well. My stance on it is that a University should have enough security to protect it's students. If that means having ever teacher trained in gun use or tasers as well as having security officers making round trips then do so. But I don't think allowing every student on campus (or at least those older than 21 years) would do any good for security. Because while it would allow a student self defense - it would also allow other students or people to come onto campus with a gun unquestioned and create chaos. So it's a win/lose situation. In all honesty I think making the teachers have a gun in the classroom would be better because then if something were to happen there would be at least one trained person with a gun rather than 20 odd paniced individuals trying to shoot at that one person, perhaps catching innocent people in the crossfire. But that is just my opinion.

Lapin Blanche 03-11-2008 04:55 AM

No way!
That would be completely freaky to think that anyone could be carrying a gun and just whip it out and shoot someone at any given time. How could someone deal with that? You'd be paranoid at all times even if you had a gun on yourself too!

Jok3r SG 03-12-2008 02:04 PM

I don't think anyone except the police and the military should carry guns really, maybe there be a shooting range where you can store your guns but guns are dangerous anywhere really not just in the college

SakuraSennn 03-13-2008 01:59 AM

I don't think that colleges should let the students have gun..It COULD be safer..but it'll be dangerous too! Some students are just BAD people like those gangsters..or soemthing like that..then they would think that gun is like a toy or something...but it could be safer because then you could protect yourself easier..well it's kind of a hard decision..

Bippy 03-13-2008 05:31 AM

I do not think students should be allowed to bring concealed weapons on campus. I say this because even though 90% of students could be law abiding, responsible young people there are always that 10% who either do not understand the responsibility a gun is or as many other people have said may cause harm. However I agree that students should be allowed to have their weapons in a location where they are able to easily get to them. Many students at my university hunt or are members of gun clubs, these students register their guns with the police department and the local station on campus holds the guns and ammo until a student wishes to use it.

amyleto 03-17-2008 12:17 PM

I'm not so much concerned about conceal and carry permits. Let people carry their weapons openly. If your classmates are walking around with a rifle strapped across their back, the crazies are less likely to go on their killing sprees.

kitkat 03-17-2008 04:02 PM

This is a really retarded debate I gotta say.

Guns shouldn't be allowed on campus period. you haven't
even explained a good reason for a gun to be on campus,
because there is no good reason.


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