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Cindy bear 04-14-2008 02:01 AM

Global Warming - True or False?
 
Discuss your opinions about Global Warming here whether or not you believe it is true or false.

If you think it's true; discuss what you think Global Warming is doing to our world (causes) and what we can do to help make our world better before its to late.

Or..

If you think it's NOT true; discuss why you don't believe so, and what do YOU think is actually affecting the temperature that we are experiencing instead

Rainy 04-14-2008 02:17 AM

Global Warming
 
I think it's quite ridiculous if people still don't believe in global warming. There are signs of it everywhere, polar ice caps melting, polar bears dying, longer winters, shorter summers, absurd heat. It's in the news quite often now and also the affects if carbon dioxide keeps building in the air.

We can depend on solar power, or other sorces rather then depend on oil and fossil fuels that's burning up our economy. Little sacrafices like changing your lightbulb to flurescnet will also help, and unplugging things when they're not in use. Need more info about global warming? Watch the 11th hour.

Peacock_Bones 04-14-2008 02:25 AM

Man. There are signs of global warming everywhere. How can you miss it? We have longer winters, short summers, insane amounts of random rain in parts of our seasons that never really.. Rained this much ever. I mean, I live in the midwest.. It's rained for about two weeks with one non-rainy day thrown in there. This.. Doesn't happen here.

Tons of flooding, random snow, just... Insane weather all around. I mean there have been signs of it for years.. It really shouldn't have taken even this long for the politicians of our country to agree that global warming is real.. The hard part is now is getting them to admit that it is an actual problem. Even harder is getting them to even care and make the effort to encourage people to take action. Cause, yanno.. People taking action means they earn less from fossil fuel revenue. :D

Mioko 04-14-2008 02:28 AM

Of course global warming is true. The government just doesn't want us to know. That's why they deny it. All I know is that in winter of 2012 the world is going to end.

Peacock_Bones 04-14-2008 02:35 AM

Yeah, if you go by the Aztec calender.

And the government has admitted to the existence of global warming. It was a huge event.

They just.. Need to admit that it is now a viable problem that we need to address.

Cindy bear 04-14-2008 02:36 AM

No, I personally believe in Global Warming. I just wanted to hear what the members of Menewsha thinks about this on going controversy ^^

And yes, if we don't do anything about this own going situation, it's not going to hurt us at all, but our upcoming generations are the ones who will.

Aeisha 04-14-2008 02:58 AM

Global Warming is deffinetely apon us. The tempratures are rising all the time. Here in Australia it's reaching up to 40 degrees on a regular basis in many parts of the country. Places in Queensland are startning to get humidity rates in the 90% range and the water levels are rising rather quickly. Plus we are getting more and more rainfall. In the city that I lived we have had double our last anual rainfall already.

Allura Minelle 04-14-2008 04:34 AM

I for one believe it.


We've never had any snow here in San Francisco, and last year we did for a couple of hours. That is NOT normal. And such sunny days in winter is not a common thing here either! Rain storms and such were not so common either. I don't remember any storms occurring that were blowing roofs off and things 6 years ago.

It started off as one storm a year, and there would just be leaves everywhere.
Now it's about 5 storms a year. The last storm, my metal shed ended up disassembled in the streets and every plastic box in that shed were cracked or shattered. I lost everything in there. My christmas decors, old pictures, cards... I even lost my current school books.

It was horrible... Stupid global warming!

HIM_ROCK 04-14-2008 09:04 AM


The Earth has been warming and cooling for millions of years. Now a small ammount of scientist have jumped on it and said "we're all going to die because of global warming" yes so the Earth is warming up again, couple thousand years will have another ice age. And that big hole in the O-zone layer has probibly been there for a few hundred years as well but only now do we have the technology to find this stuff out. We are going deeper into the sea to explore places we couldn't before and we're aiming to go further than anyone before us because we now have the technology to do it.

But I do give credit to who ever it was who came up with the bright idea of using global warming to get people to recycle and start using renewable sources of engery. That was one of the best ideas someone had, for those who didn't already recycle it gave them a reason to.

We're all going to die some time, I really don't think that global warming is going to shorten someone's life span that's down to how they chose to live their life and forces beyond our control.
There have supposed to have been several apocolypses but as of yet no end of the world. Well until the big crunch the we're all doomed, then it's back to the big bang.

DustyDreamer 04-14-2008 09:29 AM

Of course I believe in Global Warming...and I really do think that big ole hole up there has something to do with it...and the speeding up process of global warming. We arent concerned about Earths natural climate changes..for we know earth is going to change from events before our time. What we are worried about, and should be worried about is the human activity that is contributing to global warming.
Which is basically contributing to the rise of greenhouses gases in the atmosphere.

As mentioned before me, the signs are all around and everyday it gets worse.
We hear about protests and the UN signing treaties with other nations to stop the use of CFCs...but its just a piece of paper. Action needs to be taken...and its being done, though really slowly.
I find it sad the way that the earth is dying and its because of humans...
Imagine, the world has been vibrant with life for millions and millions of years...and in just about 60 years or so, humans have contributed to tearing a hole into the ozone layer. All our ice caps are melting, icebergs are depleting in numbers....
I believe it was in 1985 that the hole was discovered.
They say that with the declining use of CFCs the hole should close by 2050....lets hope that they are right.
The chlorine from CFCs can stay up to 100 years in the atmosphere...

In case your wondering, CFC stands for Chlorofluorocarbons. It was developed I think, if I remember correctly the 1930s...it was suppose to be a safe alternative as appose to the use of ammonia in refrigeration and in spray cans propellants...it was also used in war..cant remember that too well. Its all man made...and because of the drastic increase of use, it ate away at the ozone.
So basically the process is that CFC are released into the stratosphere, sunlight breaks it down releasing atomic chlorine, this in turn destroys the ozone, letting increased ultraviolet rays reach the earths surface raising skin cancer risk and other serious consequences.


So HIM_ROCK, your wrong, the hole has NOT been there for a few hundred thousand years. It was man made...not natural in any way.

Some people say that the ozone tear has nothing to do with global warming. It might be so...but it is still a contributing factor in the earth warming speeding process... my opinion..

Blondheart 04-14-2008 09:31 AM

There is a theory that the global warming is simply caused by the fact that we are at the tail end of the ice age. You have to remember that this was a very warm and tropical planet at one point. So we are warming back up to our natural state. Whether man kind can adapt to that is another story. But the planet itself is impartial to the life living on it.

I am fairly certain however that human beings and all that they do have sped up the process a little. I don't really think we have had quite as great of an impact as certain people would have us believe.

If you will notice Al Gore didn't even address the ramifications of global warming on the limestone all over the planet. That is one of the greatest issues we face from it and no one even discusses it because they don't know. Many of the people who would have you believe they are trying to save the planet are misinformed or have their own agenda.

Fullmetal Phantom 04-14-2008 09:48 AM

I think, with all the numbers available now, that it's absolutely absurd if someone believes that global warming is entirely natural or even not happening at all.

As it stands, we've deviated from the natural range of atmospheric CO2 by nearly 100%. Naturally, we would be about 200 parts per million lower than we are now.

Scientists HAVE proven that there IS a greenhouse effect. And EVERYONE seems to be noticing climate changes. Sure, that's natural...to an extent. But not the way it's currently happening. Things are changing way too fast. The strongest species should be able to adapt and survive changes like this; that's why we still have living things in the world after all the times things have cycled. Sorry, but there is no such thing as spontaneous generation of life.

But the way it's going, I'm likely to die within 30 years from the sun. Vampirism joke aside, I seriously cannot go out in the sun unprotected for more than five minutes without getting severely burned NOW. It won't be long, at this rate, before everyone is like me...and I'm dead from this condition. Or forced to live indoors at all times during the day. Or something like that.

Believe me, you don't want to be like me in this way. Maybe it won't be so bad when EVERYONE is living this way...but to the fair-skinned, I advise getting used to getting some WEIRD looks. You'll get them a lot when you're among the first to be forced to carry a parasol in order to avoid burning. Don't like it? Then good luck getting a job that doesn't force you to go outside during the day to get there.

As for what we can do to improve things...it's hard to say. At the rate things are currently working, our current plans (recycle, come up with environmentally friendly fuels, etc.) WON'T stop the damage, just slow it down. I think continuing that way is probably good...for now. But we still need to look at what we can do to REVERSE it.

Sadly, I'm not exactly an expert on that.

HIM_ROCK 04-14-2008 12:06 PM

DustyDreamer, I ment hunders, thousands just came down from somewhere above because I'm having trouble with the computer. I have edited it now.


The hole has been round since the industrail revolution, apparently maybe it was, maybe it wasn't and it's a newer thing, but seeing as records only go so far back we can't tell. So there's always going to be contravercey(sp?).

Sun 04-14-2008 12:27 PM


The ice age theory that Blondheart mentioned, is one that i believe to be true.
And i think that certain parts of the world will become very unleasant to live in, or might even become uninhabitable all together eventually, just as they were in a previous era in the earths history. It's just part of the planets evolution.

One mustn't forget that global warming is a natural occurance, that allows the earth to trap heat, essential for our survival. It's the enhanced greenhouse effect that is cause for concern, and i do think people contribute to this on a large scale, and this doesn't do much to help out naturally warming planet.

Mioko 04-14-2008 01:11 PM

I used to live in northern new england before I moved to Florida. The winters used to be very very cold and we used to get lots of snow. Now in the winter it's pretty warm most days and the snow is usually freezing rain.

Sprinkled Eggs 04-14-2008 03:14 PM

[color=indigo]Of course global warming is true. I hear about it like everyday at school or sometimes on the news.
Its gonna kill our future generations and maybe even now as well. The polar ice caps are melting the sea level is rising little by little each day. There is one thing we could do is try and find another way to get around instead of cars. It creates so muchh pollution! Its that pollution that is causing the polar ice caps to melt too. Too much gas killing the ozone layerr. I use the train every day to get aroundd where I need to go. I try my best to recycle as well but my family does not.[/color]

Zen And Tonic 04-14-2008 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HIM_ROCK
DustyDreamer, I ment hunders, thousands just came down from somewhere above because I'm having trouble with the computer. I have edited it now.


The hole has been round since the industrail revolution, apparently maybe it was, maybe it wasn't and it's a newer thing, but seeing as records only go so far back we can't tell. So there's always going to be contravercey(sp?).

Yes, but if it's true, we need to do something about it now, rather than collect data for another couple of hundred years and let the problem continue in the mean time.

DustyDreamer 04-14-2008 04:31 PM

No matter how advanced our technology is and was back then HIM_ROCK, doesn't mean that man kind was so thick they couldn't notice that there was something going on in Antarctica. I believe they found out when they found out about this...as well as I believe that it was man made in every way.
There is no way, after billions of years old, the earth decided to erode its own Ozone layer.

Cherish 04-14-2008 04:36 PM

It's true that it's happening, but it is NOT true (contrary to popular belief) that there is any conclusive proof at all that we, human beings, are causing it, or can do anything about it.

It's all just theories and supposition.

We know that the earth naturally goes through huge temperature shifts, and has done for centuries before human beings were even around.
It's more than just a little conceited to assume that we're causing the current climate change.

DustyDreamer 04-14-2008 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherish
It's true that it's happening, but it is NOT true (contrary to popular belief) that there is any conclusive proof at all that we, human beings, are causing it, or can do anything about it.

It's all just theories and supposition.

We know that the earth naturally goes through huge temperature shifts, and has done for centuries before human beings were even around.
It's more than just a little conceited to assume that we're causing the current climate change.


How can CFCs be a 'theory' and 'supposition'?
How can hard cold evidence of the sunlight disabling CFC's creating atomic chlorine, which if enough is introduced to the ozone layer, can dissolve it?
Those are facts, no theories and test trails.
It is known that the hole is man made since the introduction of CFCs. It was rapidly growing in the past years because people were still using refrigeration systems and air conditioners that were 10 yrs old and contained CFCs. Those are facts from studies conducted..not theories.
The theory here is about global warming and what is causing it. The fact is that humans are contributing to the greenhouse gases...fact is that the humans created the ozone hole, fact is that less people are doing something about it, while the majority sits around. The only assumption here is why the earth is getting warmer...is it something that the earth goes through every thousand or so years?
Or is it because of humans? Those are theories that are being subjected to experiments and trails, etc.

The cold hard truth that is known is that we are not helping the cause in any way, we are contributing to it...which leads us to the theory that we are causing it. We dont know what is causing it, but we know what is contributing to it.

Living Dead 04-14-2008 05:22 PM

I think global warming is very true you can see all the signs around you. I think this is something that everyone needs to address and find a fix for before it is too late. I have changed all the light bulbs in the house to the fluorescent ones. I actually like them better too they get so much brighter and never get hot. I unplug things when not using them and use sun light a lot in stead of regular bulbs anyways. Open up your window shades XD

Urboros 04-14-2008 05:53 PM

No global warming is lies! The earth isn't round its flat! We've never been to the moon!

:roll:

Yeah I side with the evidence, so yes global warming is happening, its been happening even before christ, its just escalated a bit cause we've been helping it along.

Florida was much bigger during the Ice age, slowly over time the water level rose leaving FL what it is today. Soon I'll have beach front property if the water level keeps rising. :3

Fullmetal Phantom 04-14-2008 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherish
It's true that it's happening, but it is NOT true (contrary to popular belief) that there is any conclusive proof at all that we, human beings, are causing it, or can do anything about it.

It's all just theories and supposition.

We know that the earth naturally goes through huge temperature shifts, and has done for centuries before human beings were even around.
It's more than just a little conceited to assume that we're causing the current climate change.

So there's a chance that the planet just DECIDED to reach a level of atmospheric CO2 that's this much higher than it's EVER been, historically?

The studies done aren't evidence that CFCs destroy ozone?

Sorry...but I don't believe in coincidences like that. Yeah, to an EXTENT, this is natural. But we reached and PASSED that extent years ago. We have to start to question what we're doing when we deviate THIS much from what's natural.

Zen And Tonic 04-14-2008 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherish
It's true that it's happening, but it is NOT true (contrary to popular belief) that there is any conclusive proof at all that we, human beings, are causing it, or can do anything about it.

It's all just theories and supposition.

We know that the earth naturally goes through huge temperature shifts, and has done for centuries before human beings were even around.
It's more than just a little conceited to assume that we're causing the current climate change.

So, let me understand this. You choose to accept the scientific evidence that the earth undergoes temperature shifts, and choose not to accept the evidence that there is an unnatural rise in global warming caused by humans. Aren't you cherry-picking what you want to believe in, and not considering the notion that both of those can be true at the same time?

Lenne Potter 04-14-2008 07:06 PM

I find the concept of the globe warming up true, But the fact that we're entirely causing it false.

The Earth goes through Warming up phases and Cooling down phases, we're pretty early out of an Ice age, and so the earth is warming up.

And In A million years or so, it will Cool down, eventually leading to an ice age.

Everything is as it should be.

I also Believe, though, that humans with all of our pollution, Green House Gasses,Landfills, Etc. could be catalysing Our Earth's Process, And that we have been taking our planet for Granted.


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