Hey check this out! It says this in the Bible too.

This would indicate that heterosexuality isn't allowed either. Go figure.

gay marriage
 

i think gay marriage should be allowed because everyone should be free in this world. :)

As a (mostly) queer woman, I like being able to get married have a civil partnership, which is currently the case in the UK. It means that deeply religious people don't have to get upset about two women being married, and I get the same benefits as a married couple would.

I'm lucky that I'm not especially religious, but if I were, I would argue that the prohibition stands. For example, Lev. 20:13 'thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman' actually seems to refer to temple prostitution rather then homosexuality. Even if you want to interpret it very strictly, then you'd never be able to wear a polycotton blend or eat seafood again - you would have to keep all of the Jewish purity laws, rather then picking and choosing.

Actually, most Christians will use Corinthians in their argument as it is less likely to be attacked using the whole "Do everything the OT says then."

However, even using the NT. We have the following popular Christian argument.

An ignorant christian who does not look up proper sources, would say effeminate and abusers of themselves with mankind as interpretation of homosexuality. The original terms were malakoi (Thanks to Keyori for this term,) and arsenokoitai.

Malakoi, is meant to mean 'soft' or a "weak back bone" of sorts.
Arsenokoitai is a combination of two greek words meaning "Man" and a female noun for "beds". No educated scholar will admit to knowing the true meaning of these terms and thus cannot pinpoint it directly on homosexuality like the NIV decided to do for all the sheeple Christians.

However, even if Christians argue that the above still means homosexuality through their stubborness and ignorance, I give them the very next chapter inside the book of Corinthians to which they can refer to guidance.

Thus implying that heterosexuality is also against the Bible's teachings as well.

The problem is, I agree, that the Old (and New) Testament has been translated into English via Ancient Greek - we don't know what a lot of the Hebrew terms mean, as they're not used in that context any more, and the same goes for the Ancient Greek.

Corinthians is actually quite interesting. As I understand it, he believed in an End Times theology, and saw sex and love in general as a waste of time, while still believing that it is better to 'marry then burn [in hell]'.
This is another problem with using the Bible as a source; bits have been added on, taken out - for example, the story of Adam and Eve is a Babylonian creation myth - and changed to suit the agendas of various different people.

Yes, and how about the Gnostic Gospels that were left out? This is simply why I cannot put my faith in a singular religion or its ideals when it claims superiority to all other ideals.

So in essence, Tutela, you reject dogma, but not necessarily a spiritual... faith? I'm having a hard time wording it :lol:

That would be for the most part correct. :)
I believe that their could very well be a spiritual presence/essence, I just don't believe that humans, if it does exist, will ever be able to pinpoint it and base a following off of it. If it does exist, then it simply exists. There are no rules it wishes us to follow. Our rules are our own creation based on subjective interpretations on what is best for our survival.

I'm all for it! People should be allowed to marry who they want, regardless of gender.

Do you limit that strictly to gender?

I don't think marriage have anything to do with the bible, Jesus, God or heterosexuality. Mainly because I do not think that Jesus should interfere with other people's happiness, and because I believe that we made the bible ourself, so we gets to decide the rules, right? All the stuff with God making Adam in the picture of himself, does that mean that we are gods ourself? If we are gods, then I cannot see why church have anything against gay people. Gay people = Humans = Gods = The church should WORSHIP all of us :B Hetro, gay, black and white, WHATEVER. Worship us all~

I kinda think religion is contradictory. Some believe it's ok to be gay as long as you stick to the 'no sex before marriage' rule... but gays can't get married so that's not fair.

Loooots of confusion around this XP

But personally I don't see why gay peoples can't get married. Love is love. And it's not 'equal rights' to call 'gay marriage' anything other than being married. Same with calling a woman's 'wife' her 'partner' unless she wants to be called that.

... I'll shut up before I start ranting.

What does "etc" include?
Also, do you believe that asexual people should be able to receive the same benefits as people who marry from the government? Or should the legal benefits only be bestowed on married couples only?

I think gays should be allowed to marry, but that is mainly because I am bisexual. If I were straight, who knows, I might be against gay marriage.

Your sexuality changes who you like, but it doesn't change the way you think or social justice, you know. There are also many straight people who are for gay marriage.

Marriage should be about love not gender. It's just ridiculous that people can't get married because they're the same gender.

While this is true, from their post it seems their biggest motivator for supporting gay marriage is that it personally effects them. As such, in their case it is entirely probably that without said vested interests they might have a different stance on it.

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Unless I have done what I do best and completely misread into their post. Indeed looking at this again they might have been asserting that their view is somehow of less validity because of their sexual orientation. In which case I would completely agree with your post.

yes let whoever wants to get married, get married! its their business only! they're gonna live together anyway if they wanna, and sleep together, and raise children together, so if they want legal rights to each other then let them! They want to have a marriage certificate, let them! And by the by, I DO THINK THIS IS A KEY ISSUE OF IMPORTANCE.. it's a CIVIL RIGHTS issue!! It's VERY important -- just like all the other civil rights movements of the past.. voting rights for women, for black people, anti-apartheid, right to choose, etc etc. This is a major historical movement that will affect everyone in some way, and make the future better if we can all be treated respectfully for our differences and marry the one we love!

Others have said it already, but I see no reason why gays should not be legally married. I do not believe a religious organization (ie. church) or any of their affiliates should perform a marriage ceremony if they don't wish to, but I believe that government officiants with the authority to perform marriages should.

i say, allow them to get married. its free will. people shouldn't be allowed to deny that right.

stupid government...

How far do you take the right of marriage based on the concept of love? Where do you place its limits? Or are there limits according to you?

I don't seem why they shouldn't be able to get married.
They are human beings for goodness sack. Religion doesn't really bother me. It's all crap. If the holy books are correct, all of us are going hell. Because muslims dont believe in Jesus, and christians dont believing in alah. No religion believe in the same people, sept jewish and christian, but then, they don't believe in alah. so they are going hell to aparently.

The Bible tells us to discriminante Gay/Lesbian/Bi people, because it's not nature, but yet, Christians say it is okay to use protection which also is not nature. :)


So, yes, Gays should be married, but not under god :)