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Hatake Ayumi 12-12-2008 12:27 AM
Technically, everybody has ingested human flesh. Ever nibble your lip?

Besides the fact that ~90% of the particles in the air are flakes of human skin... Every time you inhale, you are eating human parts! Ain't that grand?

But Personally, I wouldn't eat humans because who knows what is in them? Preservatives, chemicals, poisons... If people were to eat humans, they would have to kill the person to make sure that the flesh wasn't rotting when being cooked.

justin 12-12-2008 06:43 AM
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Besides the fact that ~90% of the particles in the air are flakes of human skin... Every time you inhale, you are eating human parts! Ain't that grand?
Your body eliminates those particles before they reach your lung, and you never do digest a single bit of the human flesh.
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Technically, everybody has ingested human flesh. Ever nibble your lip?
Can't get diseases from yourself.

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considering it's probably only been socially unacceptable for the last 3-4000 years.
Since quite some time before the Greek. Besides, when I say most of the time, I mean most of the time we have had proper society built up.

Naylean Davenport 12-12-2008 06:53 AM
Because I'm not a ZOMBIE!!!

E-Ville 12-12-2008 07:06 AM
I think I'd be curious enough, honestly.

However, I wouldn't kill someone for their flesh.

Yoshaki 12-12-2008 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by justin (Post 4345041)
Because it is socially unacceptable, and has been for most of time.
Gay sex was socially unacceptable. Owning slaves was socially acceptable. Females attempting to go above their place was socially unacceptable. Not a valid point in my eyes.

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Not to mention the whole HIV outbreak and stuff.
HIV outbreak? Where are we importing these corpses from Africa? Not everyone has HIV and the test for it is rather easy. Also not a valid point to me.

Hatake Ayumi 12-12-2008 10:58 AM
I meant that you already eat your own tissue. I never said anything about diseases.

Another reason people don't want to eat other humans is because they look like themselves. You eat pork, it is a slice, usually not the entire pig, on a platter. Slice of human... well, who would want to slice into a corpse to carve out choice pieces of meat and wouldn't the garbage men be traumatized? xD

Leda_et_al 12-12-2008 04:10 PM
It all comes down to social stigma. If you were raised that eating cow was wrong and eating 'long pig" was fine, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But since our society was taught from it's conception that it's wrong to eat certain things, humans especially, it seems wrong.

Rosebleed 12-12-2008 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoshaki (Post 4348380)
Gay sex was socially unacceptable. Owning slaves was socially acceptable. Females attempting to go above their place was socially unacceptable. Not a valid point in my eyes.



HIV outbreak? Where are we importing these corpses from Africa? Not everyone has HIV and the test for it is rather easy. Also not a valid point to me.
He. The HIV virus dies with when the body dies. I think it can only be a threat say if you ate it straight after the person had died and the such.
Egh, It doesnt bare thinking about, however if I had been brought up different maybe that wouldnt be so.
Although, I would rather die than eat a fellow human, purely because what gives me the right to treat them as I would an animal?
(That said and done, I very rarely eat meat anyway so... xD)

Yoshaki 12-12-2008 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rosebleed (Post 4348819)
He. The HIV virus dies with when the body dies. I think it can only be a threat say if you ate it straight after the person had died and the such.
Egh, It doesnt bare thinking about, however if I had been brought up different maybe that wouldnt be so.
Although, I would rather die than eat a fellow human, purely because what gives me the right to treat them as I would an animal?
(That said and done, I very rarely eat meat anyway so... xD)
Heh yeah that second point comes up a lot, but then I wouldn't respond that way. I figure that I love animals. I find deer to be beautiful creatures, bears majestic, cows kind, and pigs funny. But I still eat them. It doesn't make me respect them any less when they are alive, it just means I am sustaining myself. Meat is meat is meat as I tend to say.

Besides it is one of the ways I justify still eating meat, no double standards, I eat meat. xB

Kah Hilzin-Ec 12-12-2008 09:40 PM
Who said we would kill humans to eat their meat? Cannibalism =/=murder xD If we were to eat humans, we would eat the meat of those who died in accidents, right?
Also, I find that eating human meat could be a little benefitious... It could like, boost the number of people recurring to cremations so less spaces would be used to bury the dead and [sorry if this sounds cold] useless.
Also, if these people wanted to be eaten, it would give you the right I guess xD A decade ago, when my dad bought a lot in a cementery around the corner from my house, he didn't like the idea of cremation. Now that the place is so full of buried people you can hardly walk anywhere, my dad says: "I want to be cremated, and my ashes be used as condiment for lunch" o.o No joke, he said it thrice x_x
I also agree with Yoshaki. Meat is meat wherever you get it from ^^' If treated and cooked well, there should be no problem. So, from that point, you wouldn't have to slice the part you wanted direct from the corpse. Being that the human body is so complex, it would only be served in specialized restaurants, or sold in little plastic packages like those you find wherever you buy cow meat [because, seriously, who would buy a complete cow corpse and slice it him/herself?].
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Originally Posted by justin (Post 4348212)
Since quite some time before the Greek. Besides, when I say most of the time, I mean most of the time we have had proper society built up.
"Proper society"? Most of the time you refered to it was proper to: enslave africans, discriminate women and anyone who didn't have white skin, discriminate minorities, kill those not of your religion, mob kill whoever proved a fact against God's existence, hit your children, and a long etc.
I believe back then it was prohibited because old time humanity didn't know how to treat meat properly, or what parts to eat. In the end, those who tried without knowing died, and the rest shyed away.

PS: When I read Leda_et_al's reply, I couldn't help but giggle xD "Long pig" has to be the best description of humans I've ever heard 8D

Leda_et_al 12-12-2008 09:58 PM
@Kah Hilzin-Ec: Isn't it great? ^_^ But no lie, that's the actual term used by cannibals. Also 'hairless goat', for humans that are younger.

Anyone interested in how people live with these sorts of things should check out the Church of Euthanaisa. It is graphic and disturbing and not for every one . . . but if you're thinking about this topic you should see how people put it into practice. :/ I stumbled across it one day . . . *shudder* Not for me.

St_JimmyHavok 12-14-2008 09:56 AM
*shudders* SOILENT GREEN IS PEOPLE! IT'S PEOPLE!!!!!!

Ok now that i got that out of my system...

I can't even consider eating human flesh. Honestly, I would rather starve to death. The fact of the matter is, yes. We are basically walking steaks. Isn't that the mental image? However- the problem lies in the fact that we, as human beings, have a higher level of conciousness than other animals. yeah- I said it- HUMAN BEINGS ARE ANIMALS. Homo sapiens. We are merely animals with a higher lever of conciousness, capable of thought beyond the (and pardon my language) eat-sleep-shit-fuck-repeat cycle that other animals are capable of. Because of that, we view each other as far more than just oneofourspecies, or a possible mate. There was once a SOUL residing in that body, and it's that fact that keeps me form condoning the harvesting of human flesh.

That person you're about to chomp into was loved, maybe had a family. Maybe had a lover. There's a backstory there you just don't get with animals. Not to mention that even if that wasn't a barrier, you'd still have the problem of the awful things we pump into our systems. Medications, drugs, alcohol, black lung from tobacco use...and don't get me started on the diseases! I know it's been brought up before, but what about HIV? Various other sexually transmitted diseases? CANCER?

I'm sorry. I'm not taking that risk.

justin 12-15-2008 01:50 AM
Good lord you're stubborn.

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HIV outbreak? Where are we importing these corpses from Africa? Not everyone has HIV and the test for it is rather easy. Also not a valid point to me.
A lot of people have HIV. A lot of people have other diseases, as well. STD problems would be worse, because you would be getting AID's from your food, as well. I don't care if tests will show anything. AID's tests take more than a few seconds, and in order to mass-produce human flesh, you will not be able to have each body sitting around for days while you wait for lab results to come in.

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Gay sex was socially unacceptable. Owning slaves was socially acceptable. Females attempting to go above their place was socially unacceptable. Not a valid point in my eyes.
When owning slaves was socially acceptable, it was acceptable. When women were held down, people held them down. Right now, people don't eat bodies, so we don't eat bodies.

Febreze 12-15-2008 02:41 AM
I didn't read all the posts, so maybe someone has already come at this from this angle already.

But in the food industry, things tend to get pretty bad in terms of morals. We get things like slaughterhouses where animals are force-fed chemicals and more food than they can hold, so that they can make more food for the industry to get more money out of. Food has one of the highest demands out of anything in the world, because everyone NEEDS it and everyone WANTS it - so people buy LOTS of it.

So think of it this way - if a company started taking people who had died from natural causes, and chopping them up and cooking them and selling human jerky or whatever, and people got over their moral issues with it and ate it, and it became a legitimate food product, then no matter what laws are passed, inevitably in some corner of a third-world country there will be human slaughterhouses. Some company with few morals will get their hands on orphans from tiny villages where they won't be missed - hell, in a lot of third-world countries families will sell their children away!! - and these children are force-fed fattening foods so that they get big and gross and tasty.

:( Yeah. Basically, when introducing any industry to the world, you have to accept the fact that that industry is going to have the corrupt as well as the innocent.

St_JimmyHavok 12-15-2008 03:23 AM
*shudders* I'd really not thought of that angle...and Id really rather not think of it again. Ughhhh....

Yoshaki 12-15-2008 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by justin (Post 4363405)
A lot of people have HIV. A lot of people have other diseases, as well. STD problems would be worse, because you would be getting AID's from your food, as well. I don't care if tests will show anything. AID's tests take more than a few seconds, and in order to mass-produce human flesh, you will not be able to have each body sitting around for days while you wait for lab results to come in.
Cow corpses sit around for days on end inside of gigantic freezers at meat processing plants before they are completely tested and then processed into various forms for human consumptions. We don't EVER keep meat out in room temperature, we keep it in the cold. So we yes we will be able to have each body sitting around for days while we wait for lab results to come in.


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Originally Posted by justin (Post 4363405)
When owning slaves was socially acceptable, it was acceptable. When women were held down, people held them down. Right now, people don't eat bodies, so we don't eat bodies.
But does that make it a valid reason for why we shouldn't eat human flesh? Of course not, we just all need to learn not to be so repressed and eat up already.

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Originally Posted by Febreze (Post 4363834)
I didn't read all the posts, so maybe someone has already come at this from this angle already.

But in the food industry, things tend to get pretty bad in terms of morals. We get things like slaughterhouses where animals are force-fed chemicals and more food than they can hold, so that they can make more food for the industry to get more money out of. Food has one of the highest demands out of anything in the world, because everyone NEEDS it and everyone WANTS it - so people buy LOTS of it.

So think of it this way - if a company started taking people who had died from natural causes, and chopping them up and cooking them and selling human jerky or whatever, and people got over their moral issues with it and ate it, and it became a legitimate food product, then no matter what laws are passed, inevitably in some corner of a third-world country there will be human slaughterhouses. Some company with few morals will get their hands on orphans from tiny villages where they won't be missed - hell, in a lot of third-world countries families will sell their children away!! - and these children are force-fed fattening foods so that they get big and gross and tasty.

:( Yeah. Basically, when introducing any industry to the world, you have to accept the fact that that industry is going to have the corrupt as well as the innocent.
A valid point. Though that comes face to face with an unfortunate problem. Though humankind will be able to accept eating other humans if it ever comes to the public that humans are being farmed in life rather than just in corpse than it will likely be rejected fast...again. Though I will not say it won't happen, I'm just saying if there is any one reason why it will downfall early it is for the reason you made. The more noticeable form of corruption, since these companies are rather good at hiding the big corruption, might be corpse chasing. I have a feeling that these corporations might be desperately searching every fatality for notable candidates before they start farming the young.

Though if it was done by a government agency both might be avoided, and that may aid the government coffers due to the fact that human farming is almost all profit after sales. When you become president you can make that section for us all...just like in Soylent Green.

justin 12-15-2008 04:52 AM
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But does that make it a valid reason for why we shouldn't eat human flesh? Of course not, we just all need to learn not to be so repressed and eat up already.
It leads to a valid reason, if you actually stop to think instead of saying the reasons you have cannibalistic dreams.

Yoshaki 12-15-2008 05:20 AM
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It leads to a valid reason, if you actually stop to think instead of saying the reasons you have cannibalistic dreams.
Clarify.

trikky 12-15-2008 06:27 AM
Dude, we need the organs for transplant. It's really sad if you've ever looked at how long the waiting list is for a new kidney or liver or heart. So if you eat those organs, they have to wait another few months, which may be too long for someone who has cancer or is on dialysis. Anyway, don't you have enough food?

Yoshaki 12-15-2008 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by trikky (Post 4364978)
Dude, we need the organs for transplant. It's really sad if you've ever looked at how long the waiting list is for a new kidney or liver or heart. So if you eat those organs, they have to wait another few months, which may be too long for someone who has cancer or is on dialysis. Anyway, don't you have enough food?
We don't eat the organs, not only are they not entirely good for you but then we have your point. We eat the muscles just like any other creature we slaughter. Believe me there would still be organs to transplant.

St_JimmyHavok 12-15-2008 06:55 AM
dude...this whole idea is just fucked up and is giving me the heeby jeebys. Why isn't 'We just DON'T' a good enough answer for you?

Bartuc 12-15-2008 06:58 AM
Because this is the debate forum and as long as he has an idea that isnt disproved he will keep going at it.

St_JimmyHavok 12-15-2008 07:05 AM
But it's creepy..*whimper*

I know I know...Let's suffice to say I won't be back on this thread anytime soon. :)

Dimitri Bloodbane 12-15-2008 07:12 AM
I'd say that the biggest reason that we, as a society, don't resort to cannibalism is due to the horrid rate of diseases increasing in people these days. For instance, AIDS and HIV. And that's just the start of the list of diseases. It'd be too easy to contract those diseases by eating an infected person. And the number of people that carry these diseases (whether active or dormant) is increasing on a daily basis.

The other big reasons are most likely morality and frame of mind.

Thoth Star 12-15-2008 07:16 AM
I think its a moral issue... As well as a health issue. ><
When man ate sheep brains they developed an incurable brain-eating disease.
If men eat men (how dirty!) than who knows what disease would come out of it... Something HORRIBLE! D:

Plus, humans are unclean. I can't eat flesh that has AIDs. Ewww.

@Dimitri: I agree completely. *nod*


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