@Xrabbite- By that line of thinking, it shouldn't matter one way or another if we happen to have some sort of nuclear holocaust and the entire planet is destroyed... after all, it's only one planet n billions. No one will miss us.
On the scale of the entire universe, very little matters.

Maybe I'm a very weird freak but if someone suicided, it's their decision, period. The had the right to live, they lived, they didn't like it, so they stopped living. The hell if it affects their parents, the hell if it affects their friends, the hell if it affects their neighbors. The hell if it affects someone emotionally. That person was already emotionally exhausted.

If some nuclear holocaust occured, remember life is unfair. Just because we developed what we call emotions the nuclear holocaust and our extinction won't stop. So if it were to occur, it wouldn't matter - there would be no one left to care anyway.



NOOWW.. If that person happened to be the father of 5 kids from different mothers and was just overwhelmed with so many problems he brought upon himself, it's his fault, and can be considered a coward way out. But still, it would be his decision. An irresponsible one, but a decision after all.

My father committed suicide about 7 years ago; it hit the entire family like a bomb. I embarked on a 26 hour Greyhound ride with a 2 1/2 year old on my lap just to go to his funeral. He was cremated. He left nothing for us but "goodbye" letters.

My daughter (now daughters) will never get to meet him. He spent many years in prison but was out for about a year before he killed himself. I couldn't help but wonder why he did it. Now he was free and able to see anyone, do anything... I believe my father might have become schizophrenic at one point because our last few telephone conversations were really strange.

Anyway... I can't tell you if suicide is ever right. I would assume that it wouldn't be. I have been suicidal myself, though, so I know what it feels like to be that hopeless. The only things that kept me going at times were my children and just ... any small hope I have left.

All things pass. No matter how bad they are.

With that in mind, suicide just seems to be a waste.

My views on suicide are well, "different" in a manner of speaking.

I personally believe suicide is wrong. Here is my reasoning. Whether you believe in God or not (which I proudly say I do) we are entrusted with one possession at birth, our bodies. To kill ones self is in my eyes is murder.
Murder according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, is defined as "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought"
Focus on the phrase "a person" for a moment. It does not specify whether this be a friend, foe, advisary, or "yourself"...all it says is a person, and is a human not defined as a person but with life?
This idea is also a reference to "Dante's Inferno" of the "Divine Comedy" in Canto 13. It is quoted roughly as "suicide violates the natural law of self-preservation."

This is a personal view on my idea of religion, therefore I will now focus on a common/emotional standpoint and on the idea of a chain effect.

This is an extreme personal bit of information about me which is why I will not tell specifics or names!

Someone who meant a lot to me apparently felt her life was not worth living and tried to "check out early" (you'll have to excuse my sugar-coating here, as it is very difficult for me to make this reference, however needed) and left me a note. I doubt her means meant for this next event to occur, but I hope it opens your eyes to what it may be like for the person who loves you the most...or in my case, finds you. She was passed-out on the floor surrounded by pills.
She was rushed to the hospital where I was then sent elsewhere then to my Dad's house. He had/has custody of me despite I am almost 20. I guess I should thank her for the nightmares and therapy! Let's just say that relationship is no longer fueled by love, but fear.
What bothers me the most, is that is how I remember my Mom.

Now I want you to stop and picture how would your best friend, parent, spouse, or child react in this situation?
And I wanted to forget that image SO bad I began to think about it myself, and wish she could be the one to find me. And after a few horrible things happened in my life, I did try and all it did was land me in a hospital. That moment in my life is my biggest regret and a day doesn't go by that I don't beg God for forgiveness.
I lost so much trust and respect that day...not only from my family but for myself.

And as for the "No one will remember your name" example?
Thomas More died in 1535. William Shakespheare died in 1616. Dante Alighieri (referenced above) passed in 1321. My Great Ancestor Mae, who was my Great Grandmother's, Great-Great Grandmother Mae, I could tell a whole biography about!
I like to think those most important to me will remember my name. For if I become someone great or do something remarkable, it is those people alone who would make me feel honored by remembering my name.

Originally Posted by Kah Hilzin-Ec

@AcidDrop: So if a schizophrenic suicided s/he was a coward? So if a innocent person was put maliciously in jail in a Third World country s/he would be a coward? So if I jumped off a bridge to save someone, but drowned, would one be a coward or a hero? If someone had life-time in jail, is it the "coward's way out"?

I would like you to develop your thoughts on this, rather than state an over-used phrase, for this is a debate.

Was the schizophrenic on Meds?

Innocent person in a third world country - what were they accused of and were they offered a trial?

Jumped off a bridge to save another...not suicide - that would be a martyr!
(Merriam-Webster Dictionary = "a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle")
If they jumped off WITHOUT the intention to drown (die), that would not be suicide!

Life time in jail - what did they do to get in there? If they were a rapist, "murderer", or along those lines...that would be the coward's way out!

Does it matter if a schizophrenic is on meds? They're still a person. They are capable of murdering and suiciding despite being on meds.

If you lived in my country you would know that someone who lands in jail, be it for murdering or for stealing a $1 phone card, you will most likely spend more than a month waiting for a trial in there, in which you'll be teased and even raped by all the other prisoners. I even heard of a guy who had been there for 3+ months waiting for a trial that never came because he was beaten to dead by the prisoners. The guy was innocent.

Genocide is killing, despite your intentions.

Merriam-Webster Dictionary - Suicide is " to put (oneself) to death"

Be it that you had good or bad intentions, before you jumped off the bridge, you knew beforehand you could drown, whether you gave a second thought to it or not. When you take an overdose, you know you could die, or someone could find you and be sent to the hospital before it's too late.

Oh btw, by that definition the Jonestown mass suicide wouldn't have been a mass suicide then, but a mass martyrization, I guess.

Heh, "coward's way out". I still can't imagine a coward taking a rope and putting it around his/her neck, and asfixiating themself to death. I can't imagine a coward jumping off a skyscrapper or a bridge. Bring me any other thing than coward, because taking one's life doesn't seem coward to me!

Coward would be running away, never show your head nearby again, and ignoring the problem. Hell yeah, that would be coward. But what your mom did was not coward. Irresponsible, reckless, and maybe even a bit selfish as she knew the day she had a child her full-time job would be to put you first. But coward? I don't think I could ever see that as coward.

My ideas on suicide usually go against the flow. Keep in mind I'll be talking about those who really want to die, not those who are "crying for help" as is the case with many who make lessor attempts. You have to try and see it with THEIR eyes. When someone has reached that level of sadness, despair, and hopelessness, they can't see anything else, especially those that have felt that way for any substantial length of time. Often times, they truly believe they are doing the best thing they can for their loved ones-they believe they (those around them) will be better off without them around. I think it is WE (well, not me, but "we" in general) who are the selfish ones, when all we can think of is our own hurt and not theirs. What makes our pain any more important than theirs? Yes, our loss of them will many times cause a lot of damage in many ways, but is it any worse than having someone alive, but not really living? Or living in such hopelessness that it clouds their entire life and everything in it?

I also hate it when people say they are taking the coward's way out. YOU try putting a gun to your head or a rope around your neck and see if it's easy.

I also wondered why would my emotional pain be more important than the one of those who brought it to physical levels. If they hurt themselves to that extent because of a pain so big, only thing I could think is that they suffered way more than me, and that maybe, somehow, we as a society failed that human. Shame on us!

Originally Posted by Kah Hilzin-Ec

I also wondered why would my emotional pain be more important than the one of those who brought it to physical levels. If they hurt themselves to that extent because of a pain so big, only thing I could think is that they suffered way more than me, and that maybe, somehow, we as a society failed that human. Shame on us!

It may seem odd, but I don't see it as us failing them, even as a society. Often times, they are able to hide their pain well. The saying goes something like "Crazy, but not stupid". They may be mentally ill in some way, but they're not stupid.

In other cases, there is just no help that is going to work. In cases where medication may help them, you would have to understand that the underlying problem is still there. They're just being medicated to a "normal" state. Being "sick", as I would say most are, once they reach that state, they may feel they don't need the medication anymore and will stop taking it. Either that or possibly they don't feel they can live with the side effects of the medication they have to take. "We" may feel the side effects should be worth it, but "we" are not them, and "we" don't have to live it.

Well, I can't say much for the depression caused by chemical inbalances, but more on the depression induced by powerful emotions. No sane human goes depressed just because. There must always be some underlying problem. And somehow, it will be everyone's fault, depending on how you look at it.
-The suicidal's fault for triggering the gun.
-The close friend / family member for not noticing there was something wrong.
-The cause for not being the solution.
-The society for not giving hope.
And so on. Either way the dead are dead and until we find a way to revive them, we can't judge and penalize them for their "wrong" action, right?

Originally Posted by Kah Hilzin-Ec

Well, I can't say much for the depression caused by chemical inbalances, but more on the depression induced by powerful emotions. No sane human goes depressed just because. There must always be some underlying problem. And somehow, it will be everyone's fault, depending on how you look at it.
-The suicidal's fault for triggering the gun.
-The close friend / family member for not noticing there was something wrong.
-The cause for not being the solution.
-The society for not giving hope.
And so on. Either way the dead are dead and until we find a way to revive them, we can't judge and penalize them for their "wrong" action, right?

Good post-I like how you did that. We're on the same sheet of music for not judging and penalizing these people. I just don't see individuals or society to be at fault in most cases, mostly because the underlying cause is usually something we, nor they, can control as well as the fact that they often are able to hide how they're feeling so well. You DO have a good point about society not giving hope, but the sad truth is that the state of affairs in the world today, if looked at hard enough, doesn't do much to give any of us much hope. Individually, it's more than sad to think that someone can feel so depressed and sad.

Truth is, I know how it feels. I felt that way for many years and didn't even realize just how bad it was until one day it just BOOM hit me that I HADN'T felt that way for a while at that point. When I looked back, I had been like that for at least 10 years. Somehow, I came out of it on my own, and haven't felt like that for over 10 years now. What about those who can't? It's a horrible feeling.

If you are old or disabled in a way that prevents you from having quality of life I think it should be allowed. If you are young, it is wrong. You dont know how your life will turn out. I feel you go through the bad in life so that when the good comes you will enjoy it more. Trust me I tried when I was real young and Im glad it didnt work. Some of you may think no one cares about you but remember something I read. To one person you are the most important thing in the world. And that is worth living for. It may be a mother or father you dont think loves you but they do. Suicide is so senseless. You will leave behind someone that will be scarred deeply by it. I know. But if you dont have any quality of life if you are old or disabled then I think you should be allowed to die with dignity and at your own choosing.

how did you go about it?

I have gone about it many ways, suprisingly, my parents know of none of them. Let me list the ways.
1. Shot meself
2. Over dosed
3. Alcoholic levels too high
4. ALMOST bled to death

why are / were you thinking about suicide?

I was thinking about it all thoes times because I couldn't handle the pressure anymore. I still can't. But I try.

is your life really that bad?

From the outside, it would seem perfect to some. But, if you delve in you find a hurricane of trouble. Abusive father, yelling and hitting. Cold to the core that only wants perfection all the time. And and distant, almost non-existant mother who sits back, doesn't lift a finger, and watches the wars unfold. I don't want sympathy here, I am just telling my story.

Everyone has their issues. Personally i have never wanted to off myself ... come real close to feeling that way, even recently i have had the hopeless feelings come about but i like to think i am stronger than that.
That being said i understand how people feel and i dont condone people for their choices. I look at it like this ... If you are ok with it ending, leaving everyone, and you are ok with the pain that will be inflicted on those you leave behind. then go right ahead. It is YOUR life to do with as you please.

I think my feelings are similar to the theme song 'Suicide is painless' from M.A.S.H... what's that? never heard the lyrics? you have now Xd

Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...


That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.


The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say.

Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.


The sword of time will pierce our skin
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger...watch it grin, but...

Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.


A brave man once requested me
to answer questions that are key
'is it to be or not to be'
and I replied 'oh why ask me?'

Suicide is painless
it brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
...and you can do the same thing if you choose.

Back in January, I attempted to commit suicide by ODing on many, many pills. I was caught by a friend and rushed to the hospital, against my will, where they proceeded to force liquid charcoal down my throat. This caused me to vomit for sixteen hours straight to cleanse my system.

Now, I didn't try to commit suicide for attention. I was truly trying to die, but was too afraid to deal with the pain of quick methods - though I'll tell you right now, taking a lot of pills is more painful, but I won't get into it.

Suicide is wrong, though. It doesn't solve anything, and as many will say: It's a long term solution to a short term problem. Generally, suicide only feels right at the time. -shrug-

tell me why its wrong.

You're killing yourself. What more can be wrong?

tell me why its right.

Sometimes, there are things that even the strongest human mind can't handle. And we all have different outlets that we use to relieve ourselves of physical, mental pain. Sometimes it's more pain. And sometimes it's just letting go.

a human life is disposable.

In a way, yes. But without family, friends, dreams, and other things we have to look forward (even if there's just a little of them, or none at all) it makes the human life more valuable. Even the idea, the tiny chance of being able to become someone great makes us live on.

My dad says if you commit suicide, you're just being lazy. I think, in any kind of situation, it doesn't matter what... You really are just being lazy. You're giving up, calling it quits, and for no other reason than you're tired and you're just not going to deal with the shit everyone gives you.

think of all the men and women killed that go into war

and the government just writes it off as a statistic.

no one is remember'd in death

i mean sure by family and loved ones.

but over the years

these things fade.

100 years from now if you died.

no one will care...

the fact of the matter is..

people will forget, they always forget.

So supposedly, the point of our lives is to be recognized, and to have a 100 foot statue built out of us. Remember, you're not the only one people are going to forget about.

who among you have thought about it / tried it?

how did you go about it?

My uncle commited suicide in his basement, while his children watched TV upstairs.
I've thought about commiting suicide myself.. In the end, I realized all I probably wanted was someone to listen to me. (And it sounds so freaken corny, I know.) ATTENTION; Basically.

I slit one of my wrists, and when I went for the other, a friend stopped me.

why are / were you thinking about suicide?

For the same reasons you just listed--A human life is worthless, who really cares--You're going to die anyway, so why not end the pain now? Will anyone actually care? And what's the point of living? You're just going to be another statistic. Big deal, etc, etc, etc.. & a few personal things..

is your life really that bad?

No, it isn't.

True, no one will remember you in one hundred years, but would you really wanna be know as the person who took the wussy way out of life? In my opinion, everyone has thought about doing away wth themselves. In some form or another we all have. Example: you had a bad day at work things aren't going so well between you and your better half, you see a pole while your driving and you think to yourself it would be so easy to ram into it with your car. I think if you're thinking about it, talk wioth your freinds first. Not your family cause they'll try putting you in a mental ward. If you have very good friends, talk to them about it first. They'll more than likely tell you no and that you have something to live for. You'll ask what that is and they'll go crazy telling you al the things. If you have tried it and failed it, their is probably something ahead of you that's preventing you from accomplishing your task. And to me, I thinks it's a pathetic way out.

:gonk: Oh my gosh why would people want to kill themselves over small life issues. Some people get one little problem and then they wanna go and blow their brains out or hang themselves in their closet or jump off a building. Life's not that hard till you have to go out and kill yourselves over small trivial matters. I have a hard life but you don't see me going around with a gun to my head or making my own noose. :gonk: When will the stupidity end???

It's the dumbest thing in the world. It's so pathetic to hear people whine and moan about people thinking their lives are doomed and think the only way out is to die. It's not like committing suicide is going to solve everything, especially if that person has siblings who suffer from the same situations.

I think if you take your own life, it is your own decision and no matter how many people remember you, at least you are remembered by the people you love, right? I mean I guess in 100 years nobody will remember you or your future grandkids. But I guess suicide is only for the lonely people out there who haven't taken the time to even extend their bright future and meet people they want to fall in love with. If you're attractive and kill millions of people and expect to be loved after that, I am so not sure anymore. I get the point that people are depressed and such but there is no way you're going to just go and die and not think of the aftermath? I really have no idea what I am trying to say, but what I am getting at is, it's your own life and your own body, do as you please, we don't care nor do we even know you. I always see news or newspaper about some crazy person taking another person life because they want a rainbow with that person. *A happy life with them* but I don't know why they have to attack that person if they can't find their own rainbow to deal with. Surly, Enough people out there can make you a rainbow and your rainbow can be as brighter than the one before. I was in class talking about this. How one person kills another and then themselves because they can't find their own rainbow or the person couldn't give them the rainbow. It just shows you some people just can't find happiness and after that, they just kill some one or somebody or everybody.

I believe ChOcOlAtE_PiE and Joey Kitsune are forgetting suicidals have more reasons to die for than a broken nail or a break up. Some people just can't see a future, and how can an abused analphabet child with ignorant, bastard parents see a future?

In the end, it's their choice. Not like you're going to punish them, huh? Probably their pain was bigger than those who grieve him/her, their took their lifes after all.

Originally Posted by ChOcOlAtE_PiE

:gonk: Oh my gosh why would people want to kill themselves over small life issues. Some people get one little problem and then they wanna go and blow their brains out or hang themselves in their closet or jump off a building. Life's not that hard till you have to go out and kill yourselves over small trivial matters. I have a hard life but you don't see me going around with a gun to my head or making my own noose. :gonk: When will the stupidity end???

People don't actually kill themselves over tiny issues. People kill themselves when they are miserable for long periods of time and don't see any way to escape their pain other than death, or feel that death would be better than having to suffer any longer. It doesn't even matter if you have a hard life or not. Depression can hit ANYONE, and if you're seriously depressed over a long period of time (even if your life is "good") you'd probably start to consider it too.
Keep in mind these people usually have mental health issues.

Suicide is a difficult topic. You can't say that it's wrong or right although many would try to argue otherwise. I don't feel that it's something people should make jokes about and I don't think they should put people down who are suicidal. By picking on someone who is suicidal you may actually cause them to commit suicide. You shouldn't talk about suicide unless you actually know what you're talking about because of experience with it. Also you shouldn't talk about someone who is suicidal because they may have reasons for being that way, it may not be that they want to die, maybe they need someone to talk to but don't know how to ask for fear of being judged. I have alot of experience with suicide and it is not an easy thing to deal with. Suicide is a last resort for someone who is trapped, lost in depression and surrounded by darkness. Someone who has lost all hope and ha no way out and no one to turn to, it is a act commited by desperation.

On my 8th birthday my cousin who was like an older sister to me, commited suicide because her parents didn't love her. They cared more about their alcohol and cigarettes, in my eyes they killed her so I'll never forgive them. After that I got lost in depression and became suicidal because my family didn't care about me. They were to busy caring about their own pain to worry about mine. My other cousin only wanted to spend time with my sister and wanted nothing to do with me, and all my friends at school were fake. I was alone and trying to commit suicide was going to be my way out, but at the same time it was my cry for help.

In the end depression isn't the best option for a way out, however people have reasons for being suicidal. From my views and experiences I think depression is a thick cloud of fog that chokes you to death and lingers after you're gone so it can slowly consume your friends and family and kill them off one by one. It's a disease that spreads and it starts with pain and desperation. After the act is commited your pain is gone but even more pain is left behind for others to overcome. Over the years I've improved from what I used to be and I've been dedicating myself to help others who are depressed and suicidal. After all is said and done I can summarize suicide in one quote that I created to live by "suicide is not a cure, it's a disease"

suicide eh?

im not against it by any means i have indeed thought about doing it myself on many different occassions

that said i am not all for it either

i dont have a whole lot to say on the matter i am pretty nuetral on the opinion of suicide

i have thought about it yes but obviously i have never acted on it at least not yet hopefully not ever

i love myself too much to commit suicide

This is a very touchy subject. I don't think a person should take their own life. I have thought of it numerous times though... so I shouldn't really speak I guess you could say. But some believe they can't live anymore in the hell they are suffering through and the only way to put a stop to it is to end it all. If someone does take their life, I will not judge them at all. They made a hard choice and they are no longer in any pain at all. I am going to stop talking about this because it's making me remember all the times I wanted to and the guy I went to high school with. He had everything then one day he never came to school. Hung himself from a large tall tree in a small park like in town. His wake had standing room. They had to actually turn people away because they had no room at all. They were already at a fire hazard limit with the amount of students who showed up. I knew him and he was the only reason I could stand going through one class. He sat kiddy corner behind me in government. He made it a fun class. Everyone loved him and all knew him. Wow, I really am getting emotional now.

Im not against suicide.
Ive attempt suicide before and spend a nice vacation at a Mental Facility in other words.
I dont speak of the ¨Process¨technically. Ive been told to never share this sort of information cause there´s always someone out there either looking for ideas or stupid enough to actually do it like I was close to.

I was overly depressive cause I missed my family and I wasnt exactly fitting in at my new school, Child abuse, adding as well the treatment I received in my previous school.

Now that I look back, I met people while at the Hospital whose life´s were far worse than mine. They had a reason to be there, their cases where much more serious and when compared to mine, its just some silly nonsense or diminute. I dont think my case was nothing bad, but to witness where some of these people did to themselves, adding to the kind of lifestyle they led, I can´t compare myself to them.

From my point f view, when it comes to the topic of suicide, only those who have been witnessed, attempt it, or have had someone close to them attempt suicide, are the ones who truly understand the feeling of ¨Loss¨and the feeling of wanting to take your life away.
Its simple and easy to say ¨You should value your life¨and have no reason to take it away, but words are not enough to convince, otherwise those who did take their life away would be here right now.
The topic is no Joke and people often joke about it on a daily bases, but they don´t see how it affects those who have actually gone through it.