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finalitycarrot 06-12-2009 08:10 PM

I don't drink. I don't smoke. Where is everyone, now? I'm just a normal kid. I don't see anyone in my class or my year that drinks or smokes.

Point being, alcohol impairs senses, while smoking increases them for a while. Yes, they do kill people eventually, and are addictive, which is why the US taxes all purchases. However, it is much more dangerous to drink and drive than smoke and drive, as alcohol is a depressant.

Kultura 06-12-2009 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Strawberry Octopus (Post 1764535299)
Sooo...its alright for us to smoke our lungs out but not drink our kidneys and livers to death, too? I personaly think that people my age should not be able to smoke if they cant drink too.

Lol, it's funny how in the US you can legally buy a gun before you can drink alcohol.

Smoking and drinking are now the same in the UK at 18.
It stops nothing.

Anne_Marie 06-12-2009 11:51 PM

What i hear most often is that people are sent oversees to fight and die when they are 18 so they should be able to drink.

I, Personally, don't believe an 18 year old should be sent oversees in an army. I myself would raise the legal drinking age to 25, when people seem to be mature enough not to do something stupid.

finalitycarrot 06-13-2009 05:28 AM

The only problems: The government does depend on the tax from alcohol and cigarettes.

Most army recruits are young so that they are still fit and won't vegetate from a life of work; good soldiers are trained young. Without an army, the paranoid people will fear foreign invasion.

The government depends on it, so why not lower it? Because it might end up costing them money. Young people tend to be reckless, so putting the bar too low would create more trouble than the taxes are worth.

But then again, you don't magically mature when you turn 18, or 21 or even 25 for that matter.

Gun control is a bit lax in the U.S., true, but that's basically the government's way of saying "Look, we're letting you be free by having guns." Then again, the US has the highest homicide rate per year of any developed country.

Xandriana 06-13-2009 07:38 PM

Simply no. Sorry but at 18 many people are not ready mentally or physically to handle alcohol. Most of my friends do not drink much or at all, but I do have some heavy drinkers that are also friends. Ono of those heavy drinkers once told me he was glad he couldn't drink legally when he was 18. His family wasn't a good one and his parents threw him out on his 18th birthday. He was able to change his circumstances and make a better life for himself, however he admits that had he been able to drink those first few years it would not have happed. He said it would have been more likely that he would have just drunk himself happy instead of working to improve his circumstances.

For that and other reasons I say no leave the drinking age where it is. There is also the fact that no mater what age we set people will want to drink younger than the legal age. Just to prove that they are cool or mature.

Doomfishy 06-13-2009 10:02 PM

If you aren't mature enough to drink responsibly, you're not mature enough to own a lethal weapon. Period.

Bowie 06-19-2009 03:45 AM

I think there is a HUGE issue in the USA where kids get this obsession with getting impossibly drunk the moment they turn 21. I think a way to prevent this is to do what most European countries are doing now and serve their child a little bit of alcohol at at time as they grow up to give them an idea of what it's like and to give them stability and kill that obsession.

However; I don't see this happening legally any time soon in the US, but I do believe they should at least lower it to 18. I don't understand how a man can sign his life away and fight in the army, but he's not allowed a 'last drink' for three more years, should he be put in that position.

Kah Hilzin-Ec 06-19-2009 04:00 AM

How about we keep making it illegal for people under 21 to go to public places and get drunk or do things in a drunken state, but legal for those of lower years to drink x amount of alcohol as long as they keep themselves at their own home as long as the alcohol is in their system? That way we wouldn't have people doing stupid things like driving or starting problems, but they still would have the chance to experience and learn their limits...

Infinitys Echo 06-22-2009 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ulalume_42 (Post 1764531825)
I honestly believe that this is more of a political issue then a safety one.
Before 1984, the drinking age WAS 18. Thanks to the National Minimum Drinking Age Act, states were, more or less blackmailed by a conservatively run government to raise there drinking ages, or lose federal funding.
Blackmail with a fancy name if you ask me.
I'm only glad they've yet to mess with the voting age, since there are still some like my dad who believe it should raised back to 21.:o

This above is what it really came down to-MONEY!!! At that time, not all states wanted to raise the age, nor did they have to, but because they would lose the federal funding, they all eventually followed and raised the age.

I remember well when it happened. I basically got screwed in my state (South Carolina). They staggered the age raise. I was 18 with a birthday of Jan 1. When the law changed, it was somewhere in the summer or fall of that year. It went to 19. So I had been able to legally drink for a bit, then WHAMO! No more. The remaining two year stagger of raising the age limit was to happen on Jan 1 of each subsequent year. Therefore, on Jan 1, when I would be 19 and legally able to drink again, WHAM again, that's the day it would change to 20. Same with when I would have turned 20, it changed to 21 on the same date. Talk about pissed LOL! To make things worse, at the time of the first raise, I was a waitress and legally able to serve beer and wine. When they changed the age, they forgot about that little problem, and it was no longer legal for me to serve beer and wine to my customers. I had to get another person to bring those drinks out to my customers, resulting in a longer wait for them and that in turn would piss a lot of them off, even when I explained. That resulted in me losing money because the mad ones who didn't understand nor care, would tip me less, much less. They did change that after a bit so that 18 y/o's could serve it in restaurants. I don't know what the law is at the present time on that issue though.

Also, at that time, even if the state had raised their drinking age, if you were active duty military on a military base, you could buy alcohol on base and at the base club. But that was also changed. The bases were forced to eventually follow state law. I know this as I joined the army in November of that year that the age change began. I couldn't win for losing on this issue.

As for my opinion on this subject, it should be easy to guess. The age should be lowered. As others have said, if you can serve your country, die for your country, vote, smoke, and are considered an adult with all it's responsibilities, then you should be allowed to drink. The law wasn't "wisely" changed, it was changed because of a very vocal minority of screaming MADD supporters and yuppies and a government who has repeatedly shown they want nothing more than to control us in as many ways possible. On the governments end, they basically DID blackmail the states into doing what they wanted them to do.

And wow! Finally a forum where being longwinded, like I am, pays off (gold!!!!).

Lacquer 06-25-2009 06:41 PM

Some teens are going to do stupid things, no matter what the law is. I mean, if they're willing to sell drugs *at* school, what's to stop them from drinking themselves stupid? At least if the age was lowered, that allure would be gone..it wouldn't be as thrilling if the adults weren't all up in a druther to try and protect their little Buffy or Biff. Teens do things *because* they're told not to. Same reason when I was little I'd touch a hot stove after being told not to. I wanted to see why she told me to not do it. I tell you one thing though, I haven't done that ever again.

And to the one that made the arguement about it being bad to use real experiance to teach something. Sometimes that learned bit of information can be good.

It would also be awesome if they stopped using those stupid drunk driving tapes. You know the ones I talk about. The bad acting, obviously fake ones they use. My friend got to take driver's ed in her school, and they showed *real* footage of what happens after a drunk-driving collisions. Not that many students were overly eager to drive drunk after that.

Underage drinking is gonna happen no matter what the law says. I do agree that it's stupid a teen can go die for his country but can't drink because he's 'too young'. >_> If you're young enough to know how to put together an assault rifle, then dagnammit, you should be able to drink too.

Kah Hilzin-Ec 06-25-2009 10:07 PM

Sadly the real footage of drunk collisions can't be shown on TV because it would "traumatize" the kids. I don't think I got traumatized by watching a car hit a drunk man in front of my very eyes, but kids will always be "too young" for the real world.

TheCyberCynic 06-25-2009 10:32 PM

I was raised in a very open family. Sex, drugs, alcohol... nothing went un-discussed in my childhood. If I had a question, my parents explained it to me.

When I was curious about alcohol, my parents told me what it was and what it could do to me if I drank it. Being young, around ten I think, and curious I of course insisted I try some. I tried it and didn't drink again until I was of legal age. Not because I didn't like the taste of it or anything like that. I just didn't see the point. There were tastier beverages to be had that required much less hassle to obtain. Because my parents simply sat me down and talked with me, I never once thought, "Hey, drinking is cool!". It wasn't a forbidden thing. If I had wanted, I could have had a glass of wine every night. Not a big one of course. :P

I think that raising or lowering the Legal drinking age won't really change much. Under aged kids will still think drinking is cool and will do what they need to do it. People will still think driving while under the influence is a good idea. The only difference will be the age ranges involved.

In summary, I don't think the Legal age of drinking should be changed. Instead, I think parents should take responsibility and educate their children on the effects of alcohol instead of simply saying "No, drinking is wrong." Take away the taboo and you take away the cool factor. ;)

Kah Hilzin-Ec 06-25-2009 10:53 PM

Haha, true. Actually my parents made me drink a glass of Liebfraumilch white wine [against my tastebuds] so that at least I know how it tastes really XD I can't see how people like to drink alcohol anyway. Like, I was given this Baileys Irish Cream, and I totally loved it's flavour, but even that I couldn't stand more than a glass...

The only good thing about beer seem to be it's hard-to-get attractiveness and that you can laugh at your friends doing stupid things without having them remember. Nothing I appreciate really.

Bartuc 06-26-2009 09:51 AM

After a mishap we had down here in Honduras about, april I think. Right after I lost internet in my room. We had an 18 year old get completely hammered ass drunk. Ended up taking him to someone elses room since he lived on the other end of base and he is a heavier set person. Wasn't going to carry him that far. Anyways, rambling. He ended up puking everywhere. Asked him the next day why he did it. He said "I have never drinkin before specialist [my rank] I didn't know my tolerance."
"Well how much did you drink?"
"A bottle of gin."
"By itself?!"
"No i mixed it with koolaid mix"

After that incident. I am fine with 18 year olds being allowed to drink 6% and less alcohol. Pretty much National and Imported beers. But 21 for liquor. Due to their stupidity. But holding a restriction to a one 12pk box under the age of 18. Now, yes they can go back in to another gas station and buy another box. But at that point its on them. Just like a 21 year old buying 10 bottles of liquor.

whiteowl 06-26-2009 08:24 PM

I believe that people should start drinking at age 19. Older than 18 but younger than 21... :D

RubySlippers 06-28-2009 09:41 PM

I have mixed emotions about that. In other countries the legal age is quite young (as young as 12) and they don't seem to have a problem. Perhaps if the drinking age was younger, then we wouldn't have so much binge drinking in colleges.

Kah Hilzin-Ec 06-29-2009 08:02 AM

@Ruby: I'm sorry to say this, but the majority of these countries don't seem to have a problem because they're used to have problems they don't see it as something new anymore.

TwilightTigerStar 06-29-2009 08:08 AM

Haha you guys obviously live up north.
Down here in Australia (or as some of you guys call us; the world down under) our legal drinking age is 18.

Some Random Randomness 06-29-2009 04:50 PM

Beer in Holland is 16, strong alcohol is 18.
It actually works quite well.

The driving age is 18, so most are use to their limit before they start driving. And considering the relaxed and lenient attitude around alcohol here in Holland, it loses quite the luster of drinking it if everyone is doing it. Most people have their first beer at around 12-13 at home with their parents.

By not stressing how terrible it is to drink underage and providing multiple means of transportation, they reduce the amount of drunk driving substantially.

Kultura 06-29-2009 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TwilightTigerStar (Post 1764591244)
Haha you guys obviously live up north.
Down here in Australia (or as some of you guys call us; the world down under) our legal drinking age is 18.

That's 'cause you're a Commonwealth country :-p
I'm in the UK so it's 18.

Holland seems to have the right idea though!
Stronger alcohol for older people.

Kasumi Ocada 07-01-2009 09:15 PM

I think that there should be a single, set age for everything. But, rather than make drinking, smoking, etc... (like gambling, in my state) 18 - I'd rather make them all 21

That way, you've finished school and you've been out in the "real world" for 3 years before you are eligible for everything. This would mean that you would not be recognized as an adult (fully) until the age of 21 and I know it would annoy a lot of people, but I'm speaking from experience - I'll be 31 in October.

But, I'd rather have everything lowered to 18 if we couldn't set it all at 21, because I think its unfair that you can join the military at 18 but not drink.

Heruuna 07-03-2009 11:17 AM

Research has shown that people (Particularly college students) at the age of 18 drink, the grade levels and attendance heavily suffers, and that a higher drinking age has much more positive affects.
So, from this, I say no, it should stay at 21.
(Though if I had it my way, there would be another prohibition. Xl)

Anne_Marie 07-04-2009 06:51 AM

Personally, i think the drinking age should stay where it is. But i can see an argument for the other side.


People who talk about being able to marry or join the army at 18 say that it's only fair to be able to drink too.

no they should not. I, personally, believe that someone at 18 isn't mature enough on average, though there are exceptions, to make lifelong decisions like marriage or joining the army. I support raising the legal marriage age and the age at which you can be deployed to battle. I think anyone under 21 shouldn't be sent to do any actual war stuff, just training, but that is off topic so I'm ending it here.

It will reduce drunk driving because it won't be as 'cool'.

'cool' has nothing to do with it. They will enjoy the buzz of their first drink, and keep doing it. That's why alcohol has been around for so long that's how it works. and again, they will go to bars to drink, and then drive home drunk because they weren't mature enough to find a designated driver, and didn't save the money/common sense to call for a taxi. Okay so maybe 'cool' has a little to do with it. But only to enforce the negative side.

The same reason the seatbelt law should be repealed for anyone over 18. Natural Selection.

The only argument i can see that i cannot counter based on anything that isn't entirely emotional. Usually pity. Social Darwinism, or Natural Selection Is the idea that favors letting the chronically stupid kill themselves off. Many MANY laws are in place to prevent that from happening. But with the population crisis in china, there are people that think that letting people who are dumb enough to get hammered at a bar with no way to get home run the risk of killing themselves would be a benifit to society as a hole.

People who support this often don't think of any argument based on emotion as one worth considering, so i have no way to argue this to them.

Oscar the Wild 08-02-2009 03:52 PM

I think it should be changed to eighteen, because once you're eighteen (here in America, anyway), you're pretty much entitled to other privileges, like smoking, but for some peculiar reason, only drinking is entitled, legally anyway, to those who are twenty-one and up.

Jack MacGaven 08-02-2009 04:06 PM

Where I live it's okay to drink light alcoholic drinks (beer, whine, breezers) at the age of 16. However, we cannot get a drivers license at the age of 16.

Strong alcoholic beverages are only given to the ones who are 18.
I personally don't see any problem with it. You are old and wise enough to know what you can and cannot handle.


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