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Bane Rie 08-03-2009 03:39 AM

I'm all for changing the drinking age. Not because I want to drink but because when you think about how much we cane legally do by then it doesn't really add up. By 21 we can:

Drive
Smoke
Chew Tobacco
Enlist in the army
Buy porn
Work at bars
Work at strip clubs (on some places you can if you are 14)

And many other things. The only thing we can not do is drink. I for one think it is just downright... stupid. There are people under 21 I'd trust more to get drunk than people over 21. And the earlier you experience a hangover the earlier you won't feel like drinking again.

ChOcOlAtE_PiE 08-04-2009 12:39 PM

If anything the age you should be able to drink should be older that 21 because even adults abuse the alcohol so what do you think about a bunch of teens who just got out of high school going into college.

Their still too young if you think about and when you hear about all these accidents happening on the road its usually about some drunk old person or some wasted teen.

We don't need irresponsible people drinking. We don't even need people drinking at all but if we're gonna have anyone drinking then they might as well be responsible adults.

Infinitys Echo 08-05-2009 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ChOcOlAtE_PiE (Post 1764717619)
If anything the age you should be able to drink should be older that 21 because even adults abuse the alcohol so what do you think about a bunch of teens who just got out of high school going into college.

Their still too young if you think about and when you hear about all these accidents happening on the road its usually about some drunk old person or some wasted teen.

We don't need irresponsible people drinking. We don't even need people drinking at all but if we're gonna have anyone drinking then they might as well be responsible adults.

But they ARE adults at age 18-they have all the legal rights and responsibilities, except this one (drinking). Whether they're responsible or not is another question altogether. There are plenty of adults out there that are irresponsible and immature.

Why would you trust an 18 year old with an M-16 but not a drink?

rampagerose 08-05-2009 03:57 AM

Yes! It should! Because it is where I live and we like to drink our beer in the bush! *Shrug* I don't know. I started drinking when I was 15, and I stopped drinking when I was about 20. Which is only two years ago... and I still drink sometimes.

Faygocytosis 08-05-2009 09:01 AM

That would be awesome, but it really doesn't matter too much. I'm still gonna get my alcohol.

Tequila shots are soooo fun! :boogie:

lightkanna 08-06-2009 05:36 AM

I don't think 18-year-old are old enough to control their sh-t inside. I think the legal age of drinking is perfectly fine and shouldn't be changed at all. I mean if it were too then a whole lot of kids would be drunk and sh-t now. There is no need to change a perfectly good law that has had some affect, I suppose. Though I still think they should change it to 24. Because then a whole lot of young drinkers wouldn't be in a car accident. It wouldn't be that dangerous and I would feel a whole lot safer driving. xD

Aura_Hatake 08-06-2009 05:52 AM

It's a difficult question to answer, personally I believe that it would do more harm than good to change the drinking age. Alot of adults over the age of 21 get into accidents because of drunk driving so if alot of people over 21 are getting into accidents drunk I think that it would be even worse for teens. It depends on the maturity of the 18 year old and the lifestyle they grew up with. The environment they grew up in could have a huge impact on how responsible they are when they drink. Just as an example I have a cousin whose parents are alcoholics and she's just turned 21. My cousin has been going out and getting drunk with 2 of my other cousins since she was 16 and she's already destroyed 2 brand new cars because she's not responsible enough to handle drinking even at 21. Personally from family experiences and watching my peers in high school, I think they should be raising the drinking age, not lowering it.

mochi-PANda 08-07-2009 03:13 PM

I think changing the drinking age from 21 to 18 is a idiotic move. Most of my high school drinks, Heck, most of my [I]grade[I] and I'm only a sophomore now. From my point of view, I think drinking is a disgusting habit and I've seen what it's done to people. Second, both of my parents are alcoholics. No, I am absolutely against changing the drinking age. Dumb idea.

ChibiKawaii 08-12-2009 03:23 AM

I don't think it should be any lower than it is now, but to some people it wouldnt matter anyway. Some people start drinking at very young ages, like around there teens. Either way, no matter what age you are drinking is still bad for you.

Lovely Mocochang 08-19-2009 04:08 PM

We stop growing "Mentally" by the age of 24-25.
Chances of having the legal age be 18 or 21 wouldnt change anything.
People will not mature enough until later than 21, therefore it makes no difference if the Drinking age is changed or not.

rakwel 08-22-2009 04:39 AM

i think that if people are allowed to vote for president and buy cigarettes they should be allowed to drink. look at the majority of other countries: their drinking ages are 18 and they have less crime than the US does.

Dr. Nyx 08-22-2009 09:17 AM

Truthfully, I think they should raise the age for smoking and other things to age 21. It probably doesn't help much, but being more mature usually allows you to make better decisions. Although being older doesn't always mean you are going to be as mature as you should be. But yea, drinking is terrible for your health and safety and the safety of those around you. So the more they restrict it, the better off we all are.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people who drink. It is just that there are few people who drink who know how to do it responsibly. Everyone who is drunk thinks they are fine. It just reflects their impaired mental state.

Hyena 08-22-2009 04:21 PM

I think that the legal drinking age should be lowered to 16 and the legal driving age raised to 18. I would rather people learn how to hold their liquor before they learn to harness the power of a V8 engine.

I also think that marijuana should be legalized, but that's just me. >>

Kah Hilzin-Ec 08-22-2009 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rakwel (Post 1764956458)
i think that if people are allowed to vote for president and buy cigarettes they should be allowed to drink. look at the majority of other countries: their drinking ages are 18 and they have less crime than the US does.

I'm guessing drinking has little to do with crime then, cause in my country, where the drinking age is 18 but everyone makes parties with alcohol with or without their parent's permission since they're 14, you can't walk alone or just drive a nice car in daylight, because you can be assaulted or kidnapped.

I think all these other things like smoking and going to the army should be raised to when most are out of high school, like 19-20, and alcohol depending on amounts and alcoholic concentration, say a 17-year-old can have x bottles of beer, but only those 23 and up can have vodka. Something along those lines, so they learn their limits, but we prevent them from overtesting themselves.

@Hyena: I also think they should be able to drink a couple of years before driving >__>''

rakwel 08-22-2009 06:07 PM

isn't the law in germany that you can buy beer legally at age 16 but no hard liquor until you are 18?

no matter what the drinking age is there will always be people that drink underage, and there will always be people that abuse the privilege.

@hyena: while you have a good argument, my unreasonable part would hate having to wait until two years until i can drive. i'm impatient now and i only have a year and a few months to go.

Infinitys Echo 08-25-2009 05:43 AM

I don't think the idea of changing the drinking age to sixteen while raising the driving age to eighteen is a good idea. Adding drinking to an already immature, irresponsible sixteen year old, is just asking for trouble. At least at eighteen they are considered an adult with all it's rights, responsibilities, and consequences, so that if they are caught drinking and driving, the full force of the law can be thrown at them. Being under age will only let more of them off the hook for their actions, as happens now with many underage people who commit crimes.

In case your wondering what that has to do with this, the sixteen or seventeen year old is just as likely to now be legally drunk, yet decide to go joy riding with mommy or daddy's car regardless of having a license. The bigger crime here is still going to be the drinking while driving, the driving without a license is going to be a minor offense. Not having a license is not going to mean much to a drunk teen.

slickie 08-25-2009 06:47 AM

I don't think it's a very good idea to change the legal driving age to 18. I don't know where I'd be right now, had I not been able to drive when I was 16 and 17. But then again I havent had the most normal life, nor am i the most normal person.
I don't think it would be much of a problem to lower the drinking age to 18. However they should keep some drinking laws in place, such as the no-tolerance law, that if you are under 21 and are caught drinking and driving(and thats with any amount of alchohol in your body), your license is taken away until you are 21 to 25 depending upon how old you are at the time the crime was committed.

I also agree with the provisional license until age 18(or 12 months of driving). When I had one it was no driving between 11pm and 5am without a licensed driver over 25, unless you had a legitimate reason, like work(and of course proof, like a note from your employer). Or a family emergency. It may have changed, since I am now 19.

lunanuova 08-26-2009 04:44 PM

In the UK the legal drinking age is 18. I think that it's fine.
I think it's a suitable age. I think changing the law now would be a bad idea, so the other way round is the same.

fuyumi_saito 08-26-2009 06:04 PM

actually your body cannot fully handle alcohol until you're between the ages of 21-25.. It's actually like a toxin or whatever..

I don't think the legal age really matters anyway, because people who are underage are still able to buy cigarettes, alcohol, and porn and get away with it. Should it be changed? No.. I don't think so because of the fact that it is the law it does stop some people from drinking. I think alcohol is bad, and drunk drivers are horrible. I think alcohol should be monitered, but you know if someone wants to destroy their liver, be a drunk, and kill people while driving drunk that's their choice... It just annoys me that people don't think about other people and only think about what they want. Yes I agree, if your old enough to die for your country why can't you drink..I've heard that argument..then why don't we just wait for people to be 21 before we send them off to war..

Oukan 08-27-2009 10:01 PM

No. Matter of fact I dont think that drinking should be allowed at all. I think that our country should be concerned with its people's well being and not allow us to be able to buy things that are unhealthy and dangerous for us. But I doubt that will ever happen. Unfortuantly.

Infinitys Echo 08-28-2009 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Oukan (Post 1764982676)
No. Matter of fact I dont think that drinking should be allowed at all. I think that our country should be concerned with its people's well being and not allow us to be able to buy things that are unhealthy and dangerous for us. But I doubt that will ever happen. Unfortuantly.

Think about what you said, really think about it. If a government were to actually be THAT involved in our lives, we wouldn't be free. There are SO many things that are dangerous to us. One of the most common, off the top of my head thing, would be automobiles. They are extremely dangerous. Would you REALLY like it to be that way?

Oukan 08-28-2009 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Infinitys Echo (Post 1764984924)
Think about what you said, really think about it. If a government were to actually be THAT involved in our lives, we wouldn't be free. There are SO many things that are dangerous to us. One of the most common, off the top of my head thing, would be automobiles. They are extremely dangerous. Would you REALLY like it to be that way?

Its not vehicles that are all that dangerous. Its the drivers. And Alcohol has a huge cause for car accidents. Also there is a few things people are forgetting about alcohol. It doesn't just affect someone on the road. It also affects the actions of those and the inability to act . Ive heard so many times of a girl that woke up after passing out at a party due to getting drunk. And when she woke up she had been screwed while passed out by lord knows who and how many times.

reddeath26 08-28-2009 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Oukan (Post 1764982676)
No. Matter of fact I dont think that drinking should be allowed at all. I think that our country should be concerned with its people's well being and not allow us to be able to buy things that are unhealthy and dangerous for us. But I doubt that will ever happen. Unfortuantly.

As "Infinitys Echo" mentions there are many things in society which can be considered harmful. So if the State was to take such an approach, I imagine they would be doing a lot of harm in the process. As for your counter argument on vehicles, the same can also be asserted in regards to alcohol. It is not the alcohol which is in itself causing the problems. But rather it is how said alcohol is being used. I drink on the rare occasion but each time I drink I ensure it is in a safe, controlled environment with people I know and trust.

Furthermore in the past with friends who drink more heavily we have each taken responsibility for the others. Sure this means sometimes you are one of the sober people there looking after the drunks, but isn't that what friends are for?

Infinitys Echo 08-29-2009 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Oukan (Post 1764986041)
Its not vehicles that are all that dangerous. Its the drivers. And Alcohol has a huge cause for car accidents. Also there is a few things people are forgetting about alcohol. It doesn't just affect someone on the road. It also affects the actions of those and the inability to act . Ive heard so many times of a girl that woke up after passing out at a party due to getting drunk. And when she woke up she had been screwed while passed out by lord knows who and how many times.

I probably wasn't very clear. There are many dangerous objects, but they are only dangerous because of the person in control of them. The vehicle is only dangerous with a person controlling it. Alcohol only becomes dangerous in the hands, or rather bloodstream, of a person, and who's to blame for it getting there? The person who drank it. As for a girl getting drunk and passing out only to find upon waking that she has had sex, again, that is HER fault. If I'm not clear enough, Reddeath said about the same thing, only using different words, and sometimes a different wording can be better understood by different individuals.

Alchemist of Anarchy 09-04-2009 04:39 PM

I don't really know because I don't drink all that much, but I know that when I was in high school a lot of my friends drank and although nothing really bad happened to them I still don't think that it's a good idea. While some consider 18 to be a mature age I have to disagree. There are certain people I know that are 21 that I don't considered to be very mature and bright.


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