All right so I came across this news article a few days ago.

What it said:

A Romanian mayor was visiting a fashion show and wore a WW2 German uniform(wehrmacht), his 15 year old son right behind him in also a WW2 German uniform (infantry).
However there aren't any swastika or SS signs/logo's or prints on the uniforms.
He does wear the Iron Cross, which is still used in Germany. (if you want more info on the cross, go wiki it,all I can say is that the cross is OLD )

Me myself think it's harmless.
I seriously love the looks of the uniforms because they are quite stylish and functional. (and it can make any man look hot and sexy, yes even oversized beer bellied Germans)

But then again, if someone sees such a plain uniform everyone thinks it's a Nazi uniform, while actually it's just another uniform.

I agree with you on that. As long as the uniform doesn't show any offensive material, it should be simply that: a uniform, as goes with any other clothing article. But I think the hard question is if the uniform itself can be considered offensive. Personally, I think no. ( .////w///.) They do make most men look fantastically handsome.~

I fail to see what the big deal is..... There are no bad symbols!

I was thinking too that there are no bad symbols. I myself use a Hunab Ku necklace around but that doesn't mean I follow New Age beliefs, nor that I'm for heart sacrifices >.>'' I simply admire the geometrical design.

I understand Nazi-related elements represent a very negative event for them, but it's time to move on and concentrate on the person. It's not the symbol's fault that it's nice-looking enough to be taken for wrong purposes.

Uniforms do make any men look x3 more handsome :insane:

Originally Posted by Dessin

I agree with you on that. As long as the uniform doesn't show any offensive material, it should be simply that: a uniform, as goes with any other clothing article. But I think the hard question is if the uniform itself can be considered offensive. Personally, I think no. ( .////w///.) They do make most men look fantastically handsome.~

I definitely agree with Dessin (on the sexiness -fufufu- as well as the unoffensive quality...)
Its like a young boy in the US dressed in a sailor suit, in a way. :/
What I find amazing is that the "nazi symbol" was originally a buddhist symbol. I think it was for something about nirvana... In any case, it shouldnt really be looked upon in such a difficult light. I understand that for many when used in the Nazi context it can cause a lot of pain or fear. However, displaying the symbol (maybe on a keychain or necklace or something...?) shouldnt be considered a crime or be frowned upon.
When it comes to the uniforms, I dont consider it to be offensive (and I'm part-German myself :boogie: ) however I can see how it could be. By wearing a nation's uniform, you are showing support of that nation and its actions during the time period that they were worn. The Nazi's actions during WWII were abhorrent, and I find it difficult to believe that someone could be supportive of mass genocide...However, it depends upon the context of when it was worn I guess...

It wasn't just the symbols they wore in World War 2. The uniform itself during that time frame stood for something. Which is found offensive by people around the world for the devastating travesties that the Nazi's brought among people of the world. Was it tasteless of him? Fuck yeah it was tasteless. It may not have had a swastika but it still represented that era and the meaning behind it.

I agree with Bartuc.

I think we have to be more sensitive to what happened in history.
There is no need to wear something for fashion to get a shock out of people, which I feel he was doing. Sure it's just a uniform, but names were "just names" and are still "just words".

However, calling someone a "jap" is still highly offensive. It's what stems from those times.

And really, he had so many different possibilites to wear, I don't think that uniform was necessary.

Edit: BTW, the swastika is reversed to the ancient Indian/Buddhist symbol. The original stands for peace, so the reversed stands for the opposite of peace.

I think ... we have to look at it from another perspective, yea it was a horrible thing that happend. but all the men that took up arms in germany, did so because they felt it was right. they felt they were doing what needed to be done. You have to remember that in war there is no good or bad side. The side that wins is the good guys.

True we need to be sensitive towards people and the dead, but remember that history is full of genocide. there are entire cultures and races that have been erradicated from history itself and left in the sands of time to be forgotten. If he still feels proud of his uniform i say let him wear it as long as it does not have the symbols on it.

Gary
So what you are saying is lets parade around in a genocide filled history? Let's parade around in it so much that we become use to it and it because just another grain of sand in time? There are very few things that annoy me. Would you say me walking around in the Ku Klux Klan Uniform should be socially exceptable for something as devastating as that was in american history? Americans killing other Americans because they hated their skin color?

Originally Posted by Gary Stargazer

True we need to be sensitive towards people and the dead, but remember that history is full of genocide. there are entire cultures and races that have been erradicated from history itself and left in the sands of time to be forgotten. If he still feels proud of his uniform i say let him wear it as long as it does not have the symbols on it.

:/ Genocide may have occurred all throughout history but that doesnt make history or the act of genocide any less horrible despite the fact that the event happened any number of years ago. ._. I feel that he may be making a personal statement, and if he wants to wear it then he can, but he faces the public when doing so, considering his is a position of prominence. He cannot go out in public wearing what has become a symbol of oppression and genocide without getting some backlash in his public approval

Rando: thanks for correcting me. ^^

It wasn't really a correction. ^_^;
Just a common mistake really, since the real history of the symbol is lost due to the genocide.

@Gary: The problem is, when you say that neither side is right or wrong, the side aiming for genocide with ALWAYS be wrong. There is no right about wanting to eradicate a certain religion/race. There will never be acceptable reasoning to it.

Look at Srebrenica, Rwanda, Darfur. Sure, the people committing the mass homicide of innocent people BELIEVE they are doing the right thing, but that doesn't mean they are. Proof of this is their prosecution.

Oh i would not know anything about that but since i am half german half Cherokee i get the unique position of being from a race that attempted genocide and one that was on the receiving end of it as well. People hold their opinions and freedom in america on such a high pedestal but tend to forget what their freedom was built on. The subjugation of another race.

And yet no one ever bats an eye at festivals where people dress up in the military uniforms of that time and era, the reason being is because they won, the NA races are tiny itty bitty fraction of the population now so what complaints they have are quickly ignored and forgotten.

It would be the same thing now if all the jews but a tiny fraction had been wiped out and germany would of won. Candy coat it all you want but history wont change. The ends will always justify the means regardless if you like it or not and history will always be wrote by the winners. In an alternate reality we may of been talking about how lucky we are the jews all got wiped out. *shrugs*

This is a round about way of saying this but the point i am making is no matter how much you hate it or disagree with it. history will always be built on blood and the winners will always decide what the future generations think of the past. The guy wants to wear a uniform of a nation that lost their war then let him.

(let me make a slight edit here just so i dont step on anyones toes, I in no way feel that the subjugation of the jewish race was validated over what happend during the war. I have never felt a race deserved erradication I just mearly was pointing out that history will decide what was right and wrong from a war, though i like to think truth does have an ultimate say so in how things progress but that varies greatly from situation to situation.)

I think the point you're trying to make doesn't correspond with the arguments you are using.

It seems that you're saying we shouldn't be delicate around horrific subjects because it will always be like that, and to hell with them.

Which I couldn't disagree with more. I think we should be more delicate because it's always the weak being trampled on. Sure, Germany may have lost, but they killed 6 million jews in the process. I don't consider Germany to have lost, I consider them to have been stopped.

And yes, unfortunately there wasn't anyone to stop the genocide of Native Americans, but that's not the point. We're not debating American freedom based on the bloodshed of Native Americans

The day humans become insensitive entirely to what happened during the Holocaust is the day humans lack humanity.

Genocide of Americans all the way here Random. It is evidence used to validate an argument.

Here in Ecuador during the All Saints Day there's this parade of "Cucuruchos" in the Highland region. They wear a Ku Klux Klan robe, only it is purple instead of white. These same people spit on, throw cold water at, hit with stingy herbs, beat up, and sometimes even burn and kill people accused of witchery and blasphemy [the indigenous law here is legal]. I find it very offensive, I find it even more when little hand-made dollies are sold to tourists, but as long as it's legal a.k.a right, nobody cares to frown upon it.

This is an evidence to further prove Gary's point: The winners are't the good ones; instead, the good ones are the winners. They write history. Germany happened to loose. Nobody remembers germans weren't fueled by a sentiment of superiority, but for a will of revenge for the Treaty of Versalles, which had them on economical and social ruin.

Even though such events have occurred, that doesnt make them any more right. >.< People may disregard the hardships that some people have gone through, but that doesnt mean that such ignorance could continue. <:/ Gary, you come from backgrounds that have been tormented in the past, but you act as though you dont care and that disrepect of the hardships that Native Americans and German Jews should continue because no one is doing anything about it. Isnt it time that someone DID do something about it? >.<
The fact that a nation's leader can waltz around in a German uniform just goes to show how numbed we are to discrimination and the pain of others. I myself dont think that this is right--in fact, its sickening.

If were just going on uniforms and symbols, nobody would go to costume parties as Napoleon Bonaparte, who was Europe's hero until he lost in Russia, then he became a tyranne. Or I wouldn't be able to dress-up as Erzebeth Bathory, who terrorized a whole community. Or dress up as a soldier, because ecuadorians are still angry at colombians for bombing colombian terrorist groups in ecuadorian land.

Unless the guy was making the nazi salute and declaring a new war, I don't see any problem with it, just as if I saw someone dressed as a cucurucho carrying a cross, or a colombian soldier, because they're just clothes. I'd rather direct my hate towards the person, not the uniform.

Originally Posted by beagirl1227

Gary, you come from backgrounds that have been tormented in the past, but you act as though you dont care and that disrepect of the hardships that Native Americans and German Jews should continue because no one is doing anything about it. Isnt it time that someone DID do something about it? >.<

I also descend from a German Jew who escaped from the war by emmigrating to the US, and let me tell you that NOBODY CAN CHANGE THE PAST. Work on the future! Stop concentrating on nazi uniforms and think of how to make a better place.

Yes, I'm a sick person.

(and it can make any man look hot and sexy, yes even oversized beer bellied Germans)

THAT.

ESPECIALLY for the beer bellied ones.

I don't see the hate towards Nazi uniforms, swastika or not. It's their actions and beliefs that are horrible, but their fashion sense is just fine.

While they look good, no one can erase the symbolism from them... I think they look good, but I'm reminded of everything done by people who wore them. It's not hate... but it is a trigger for all the things I learned about and it often outweighs what good there is.

Ahaha, I'm someone who loves uniforms, regardless of the insignia. I have no problem if it's used in an inoffensive way. Even the character from a story I'm writing has two servants dressed in Nazi Germany uniforms. Of course, it's intended as fetishistic, other than offensive.

And this is coming from someone of Jewish heritage.

Without the symbols they're just colors.

If there aren't any Nazi symbols on it, then it's just a regular uniform, right? So hey, nothing wrong with it then. Maybe I'm wrong.

it shouldnt matter even if ther are nazi symbols on it we should just get over the war it was a long time ago just forget it

I won't delve into the political discussion, because I just don't like writing hateful posts, and I know I would do so. Anybody attempting genocide should [fill in all the hateful staff I don't want to post] themselves - and I'm not just looking at the Nazis here!

Originally Posted by Kah Hilzin-Ec

If were just going on uniforms and symbols, nobody would go to costume parties as Napoleon Bonaparte, who was Europe's hero until he lost in Russia, then he became a tyranne. Or I wouldn't be able to dress-up as Erzebeth Bathory, who terrorized a whole community. Or dress up as a soldier, because ecuadorians are still angry at colombians for bombing colombian terrorist groups in ecuadorian land.

And that's what I don't get. Why do people let themselves still be haunted by that (terrible, sure - but exceptional) part of history?

Why is it okay to dress up as a Chinese soldier when there have been so many terrible incidents with them in the last couple of decades? Why is it okay to dress up as Jack the Ripper, when he was terrorising a whole city with his cruel murders? Why does nobody complain when someone wears ancient Roman attire, when it was Roman soldiers that killed, raped and enslaved half of the known world back then?

And why, on the other hand, is someone wearing a Nazi uniform automatically seen as a neo-Nazi, or at least someone who's trying to be provocative? Where's the difference to all the other costumes mentioned above?

it shouldnt matter even if ther are nazi symbols on it we should just get over the war it was a long time ago just forget it

Forget about what? The war itself, the concentration camps that killed millions, the tyranical power of a mad hungry individual who brain washed million of people to believe his thoughts on a group of hard working people, forget about the poeple that actually got out alive and are still haunted by their nightmares of that horrid time and place, yes lets forget about all that. Hey, I got an idea. Let's forget that we have holidays, or better yet the presidents. Hey, they're all old things old ideas, past issues and events that have happened. Just because it's old doesn't mean we should forget about them. I say we should learn about the events and try to understand how not to allow this tragedy to happen.

Personally, my own view on this, if it doesn't have any signs or anything then it doesn't matter. Now if they get in your face and start talking about Hitler and how awesome he was, then sure that is a problem. I love Germany and everything about it. I mean I want to take a History class about Germany and such, but I could always just search it online and stuff. I see no point in over-reacting to such a little problem. After all that place was a fashion show. So no I don't think it is a problem, until someone gets hurt or they start threatening you. xD