I believe that god was created by men.

I see the bible as a manual for keeping people in line. I know in my heart that there is a God, but I have christian beliefs that differ from the typical ones. Is that so wrong?

That's your belief and you have every right to stick to it. I believe in many interpretations of God (all paths). Other people have theirs, I have my own. A god cannot be created, but it can be interpreted.

There's nothing wrong with not believing in a God or deity. If that's the path you choose, then so be it.

I think you have a severe misunderstanding of what Christianity is.

how so? carbon dating? Cause I really don't agree with it. There are other forms of dating used that give years much similar to biblical references.

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classic response. If you want to 'show me I'm wrong' U provide the evidence. I don't have to anything. Besides it doesn't really work in this sense as the original post was that the bible has been disproved. I don't see any evidence of that. So u ask me to provide evidence it hasn't been disproved? think again methinks.

Did it ever occur to you that you make absolutely no sense?

Studying religion all through college I've read a lot of different holy texts including the Christian bible. Most religions I believe coincide. It's funny how people fight all the time about whose religion is right, when they don't even take the time to learn about each other's beliefs. If we would all just stop and take the time we would realize that all this fighting is pointless. One big debate is between the Islamic faith and the Christian faith. If you go read the Qu'ran Jesus is mentioned as a great prophet and he was born of a virgin and he died on the cross and rose again. We are all connected we are just blinded. Jesus is refered to as Isa in the Qu'ran if anyone wants to look it up for themselves.

Thank you Captian for being a voice of reason. ^_^ I find that very interesting.

@ Captain: You have a point there. There is actually a song I really like called "A is for Allah" that actually mentions some of the prophets of the Islamic faith, including Moses and Jesus. I actually really recommend looking up the song on YouTube. It's a soothing piece.

@9Westy9: Well, 1) please provide one of these dating techniques that is more accurate than carbon dating because as someone who has always been very interested in science, I have never heard one more accurate than carbon dating. 2) I agree with Gutter Glitter, you make almost no sense. It might be nice of you to use complete words and proper grammar.

I am a nutcase :P. Still I don't see any evidence yet. Am I gonna get it or should I move elsewhere?

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1) Carbon Dating: Why you cant trust it or other radiometric dating methods. creation evolution young earth evidence old earth bible (it's a link something I haven't seen much of on here)

2) Srry english was never my best subject

First off, let me just say I love these topics!

Second, I'll only ask two questions and expect a well thought out answer from anyone and not just the person who created this thread.

Q 1: How was the universe created and how do we know this to be for sure and not just based out of theory or theories?

Q 2: There has got to be something of a higher power to have created the universe in which we are surrounded by not mention the planet that we live on. If not God, then what else because I and everyone else sure do not know?

If I was going to come back with anything sarcastic I would have said, "Religion is just humanities way of cooping with death."

Any answer would be a speculation, which in turn is a theory. Theories is all we got.

I think a lot of people get the wrong idea about Christians because of those who read much into the Bible and are too judgmental. I'm Christian myself, but I don't take it as far as some people seem to. Some people may think that they have the right to judge others because their interpretation of Christianity, but I don't feel that way. I was always taught that being Christian and believing in God was all about forgiveness and tolerating others and that God was the only one allowed to judge who went to Heaven or Hell. If someone was living in a way that I thought was wrong, I should be tolerant and respect their decision.

Most Christians I've met pick-and-choose what to believe, and use the bible to support it, even though there might be contradicting statements in the bible regarding such a matter.

I've also seen a lot of Christians going, "Love thy neighbor!"
But not if the neighbor in question in gay, then you strip them of their rights and tell them they'll burn in hell. :sarcasm:

Precisely my view as well! See everyone? We are the people who truly label ourselves as Christians because we've thought over what it really means! At least, I have, I can't really say for This person XD but we seem to share views.

It's the people who do pick and choose, the people who contradict their words-The Hypocrites that make a bad name for the rest of us decent people! That really grinds me gears, when people give a general assumption of a whole group because of the idiots who clearly don't take their faith seriously.

i agree with captain

I agree, completely, with this.

Personally, I don't look to the Bible for answers. I look to God Himself for the answers.

If you look hard enough in anything, you're sure to find faults. There is always the fear of the unknown. Sometimes it's scary, or just confusing. Sometimes it makes you mad. I'm a Christian and I know I don't know everything in the Bible. Man, I barely read it. I look to God Himself for all my questions and concerns or whatever.

I think it all depends on the person, though. Some people know every verse in the Bible, while others have never even opened the book.

Reading or understanding the Bible does not make you a Christian. It's your faith in Christ that determines you Christian.

I also agree with this. This is practically the basis which my beliefs are held.

If you revert from being Christian I don't think you were truly saved :)
Athiest turned Christian

How are we reverting from christianity? The fact that some of us decide to follow our own paths to god?

There's only one path because there's only one truth.. but I'm not one to judge whether people are saved are not- I just have opinions. All judgment is God's.

You have every right to believe in what you want, but you should watch the way you word things because you are judging some of us. Closed-minded people like yourself do not belong in debate, unless you can prove that you are open to more possibilities in an argument.

Just remember that debate is meant to help people understand all sides of an issue, not to get them to think the way you do (aka convert). I know that it's some Christians' mission to convert people, but that stuff doesn't fly in the realm of debate.

Yeah, I think some people judge others not knowingly.. However you can spell or word that haha.

Everyone has an opinion about everything. You can say you don't judge when in way or another you are judging. And that you know I'm Christian you already judge me as close minded..
There's debate because there are two different sides. Debate happens because of that- if everyone was open minded to everything there would be no debate but simply conversation and thus this would become something in general discussion.
I'm really not trying to bash you :\ I just see things differently.

I was only judging you because you contradicted yourself to begin with on the matter of judging.

It's plain to see how closed-minded you are, though. I'm sorry, but it is. Your siggy says it all "Bible = Truth". Am I insulting your faith in the bible? I don't intend to. Is there anything wrong in believing in the bible? No, not really, but I used your siggy as an example because you seem to be very set in your beliefs (without question) and the things you say do not leave much pavement open for possibility in debate. When someone debates with you, (especially on religious matters) if you go in saying something like 'there's only one true way', you had better come up with some other hard evidence (or at least valid reasons) other than a book that was written by men.

I, myself, am a believer in God, but I do not refer to a man-made book for salvation. Do I read it? Rarely, yes, but I see it more as a manual in leading a good life and not something to be taken literally. I know what it takes to be, at least, a fairly good person, so that's why I don't always read the bible. I choose not to fall prey to the 'appeal-to-popularity' fallacy, either.

Of course there is going to be two different sides, but all debate really is, is an argumentative conversation. Debate raises awareness from both sides of the rope, but if you're going to be narrow-minded in your arguments, no one's going to agree with or understand you in the long run. People who listen and analyze debate are there to open themselves to possibilities they have not yet already heard.


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This whole thread was made by an Atheist and labeled it, specifically, "Why do Christians not see?". I have posted before, backing my reasons for following God, but it's people like you who bug Atheists, like the poster, and give them the wrong impression of Christians as a whole. It's hard for me to say all this without it seeming like a direct insult to you (maybe I'm just still tired) but perhaps if you post your own points defending why you believe what you do, rather than insult some of us other Christians' beliefs, you will get better reactions from people.