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However, they always have choice. In the case of the girl being nearly raped, she did not have a choice. If a kid is nearly raped at school(or somehting along those lines), that is different. If a kid is doing drugs on campus and being disruptive in class, that is obviously their decision. |
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No, I don't think that every kid who acts disruptively or violently completely has a choice in the matter. Like I described, it all has to do with environmental influences and the kind of stimuli they receive all around them. If their family and social life has taught them that the only way to get attention is by yelling and insulting the people around them, then they have been conditioned to act that way in the classroom. If they've been told all their lives that they are stupid, and then they walk into a test and don't understand it, then what have they got to lose? Might as well ignore the grades and talk with friends and force other people to be "stupid" with them so that they aren't alone. When dealing with adolescent development, it's important to realize that there is a reason behind everything. They didn't simply wake up one morning and think "I'm going to smoke some crack at school today." There's a whole sequence of events that builds up to that point. Often, those events are forced upon the students, or they get swept up into something that is larger than themselves. While no one may have literally forced them to disrupt class, that doesn't mean that they had the option or the means to be quiet, attentive, perfect students. |
If a teacher repeatedly tells a student to be quiet, do their environmental problems prevent them from obeying that order? Do they prevent kids from following simple rules?
Gangs are also another story because they ARE forced. and some are even forced into the gang. And I do agree with you. Some kids do these things just because they think it's cool. It does have to do with influences on that one as well. |
Gang members and such are going to be useless to society anyways. give them a few chances to mend their way if they dont. Then use them as forced labor. Imagine the benefits to society. :3
We need to stop slapping people on the wrist even in their teen years. People need to realize if they play with fire they get burned HARD. then we would have much less crime. Prison camps with forced brutal labor depending on the crime, so what if a few die. it would be a small price to pay to get the message across. I dont think we should control people with fear but i think if you break the law you should pay for it, not me pay my taxes to feed and cloth you for a few years while you just hang out with a gang in jail or something. |
@Gary: What-- you mean they just lie around making exercise, watching TV and feeding off taxes when in jail?! No no... even in my country they have to make some kind of job when in prison... well, at least in those jails where they're not hacinated... x__X
I do agree though that sometimes they're let off with a slap on the wrist that is never hard enough. I know I didn't learn from slaps on the wrist [took some spankings for me to get the message :ninja:]. If they're going to receive hard punishments for doing it as adults, we should at least penalizate them in a manner that isn't too much different. At school you get your parents called for using inappropiate clothing/cellphone in class, while at job you get fired. |
Yes for the most part here in the US when you are sent to prison it pretty much means you sit around and fuck off all day. you get out and exercise and sit in your cell all day. they dont force people to do labor or anything. they just sit there getting fed by tax revenue... infact some prisons even offer workout rooms, libraries, internet and cable. There are a few places that make them do hard labor but not nearly enough.
Personally i feel breaking the law should equal free labor on your part for X amount of time. simple as that. |
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Haven't you ever wanted to do something even more after someone tells you not to? Haven't you wanted to prove them wrong? Or show that you're better and stronger and smarter than they are? If a student is convinced that the only way to succeed in the world is by being tougher and stronger than everyone around them, then they will directly disobey orders as a means of establishing themselves within the classroom. This can all be changed if the classroom dynamic is switched - If teachers treat students like equals or give them the opportunity to work in alternative ways (as opposed to sitting silently for hours and doing paperwork), then most students will get a better education. However, if students are forced to sit and act in a way that completely contradicts everything they've been taught in life, then it's a disaster for everyone. So yes, their upbringing often does interfere with their ability to follow the subjective rules we choose to place before them. And be careful about throwing around the word "cool." A lot of people believe that students turn to drugs or sex just to be "cool," but we have to look at why these activities are accepted into the student culture to begin with. A lot of it has to do with power play or who holds the money within a neighborhood. Getting on the good side of a drug dealer could mean that you don't get beaten up every day, or that you can walk a certain path home from school without fear. So while the simple answer may be that students act a certain way in order to "fit in," there are multiple levels to their reasoning. I never said that students acted out in order to seem cool. Quote:
A surprisingly large number of criminals do reform. But since America's media is obsessed with being the bearers of bad news, the public often doesn't hear about it. So it's unfair to label these people as useless or unable to change. And personally - I do not see the benefit of killing people in order to produce consumer goods or national infrastructure. Criminals are not a disposable resource. They are humans just like the rest of us and hold the same legal rights. While I support volunteer work and enforced community service, I think you're being quite harsh right now. :-/ |
Gang bangers lol. ok that was a good laugh. Anyways to the topic. I think it is a good idea. Honestly it would make school easier for behaved children to focus in cause it would eliminate the distractions of the trouble makers.
My oldest daughter is 7. Through out her 2 years in school there was a few kids that was giving her a hard time. She would come home with bruises, they would yell profanity at her as she came off the bus in the evening. They where very rude to her and other kids like her. She learned some very nasty phrases that I never wanted her to hear at her age. So yes I think that kids like that should not be allowed to attend the same classes as she and other well behaved kids do. Its a bad influance on the good kids and it makes school undesirable and feared for some of the other good kids. |
I dont know what the statistics are but in watching shows where prison inmates have to train dogs or horses that nobody wanted seems to have made an impact on the inmates that gave them more insight and compassion. I think they should be sent to camps or ranches and have to rehabilitate horses or dogs or other unwanted animals. Animals do seem to have an impact on the humans involved.
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