Is it really a good idea to put all of the kids with disciplinary problems in the same school? What do you think about this?

I think it is a horrible idea. First of all, you are going to end up with all of the gang bangers in the same place. That is never good. There will be a lot more fighting and bullying. Then you throw in all of the kids with emotional problems in the mix. I'm not saying that people with emotional problems shouldn't be allowed to go to school; but do we really want to throw them in the pit with people who are violent?

Personally, I don't think it works.
One of my classmates in English class sophomore year was actually in something at least like what you're talking about. He didn't learn crap. He's 15-16 years old and they're teaching them like they're five years old. (The stuff they learned is elementary stuff. My classmate is actually fairly smart. Just stupid decisions.)

It's better for personal programs or something like that.
In a school with all of them there, I don't believe they're going to focus on one child at a time.

There are pro and cons to everything.

The pros? Maybe some of the kids will find someone to befriend, and they can exchange a better outlook on life and change their attitude.

The cons? Maybe those kids will befriend someone, have a sense of oppression as a common interest, and become worse.

I wouldn't lump all those kids in one category, it depends on each individual. Some might want to better, while some will not. It is very hard to say.

I totally agree with you. A lot of kids run around acting like wannabe clowns thinking theyre sooo funny yet all they do is distract the class so no one else can concentrate. Then they call out random comments and have no idea what anyone else is talking about but themselves. In my school though, they are classes called GT (gifted and talented) for all of the kids who are above grade level in academics. The kids who usually cause trouble arent really the smart ones so they arent in those classes, which are my classes. But still, they mmake it harder for average people who try to do the best they can.

Actually, I do think so. When my boyfriend was a kid he struggled with anger issues and the school really taught him how to deal with them. Now in some public schools they do have the special classes. I guess it really depends on how the person feels in the class. In said class they would get catered to their every learning desire.

The family and home used to be the ultimate school for children with disciplinary problems... but that was before people decided it was more merciful to let a child fall headlong into a horrible, tormented life from doing whatever they wanted, than it was to smack them when they needed it. (Such people have obviously never been to prison, or they would have a quite different opinion of what it means to be truly merciful.)

Wise man say: those who will not control themselves, can only be controlled externally, by force.

That's why dictators set up police states when they want to have a hellish dictatorship no one would ever go along with. In this case, it's just the kids not going along with what's good and right, as opposed to what's actually bad, like in the case of the dictator.

If there's no control (toward doing what is good and right), there's chaos and misery. Sadly, children are not born saints, and sadly, the authorities don't seem to understand or believe that.

But yes, I'd be all for anything that took kids who want to act like hooligans, and straightened them out. Only I have to point out that it takes more than a stick. (It probably takes a stick, but not ONLY that.) Nature abhors a vacuum, so if you try to knock bad ideas or bad ways of living out of them, you'll have to replace it with something. Here the problem is not whether or not the adults THINK they're doing the kids a favor, but whether or not what they have to teach them is truly good or not. (Eg, this "have pride in yourself" bs doesn't go very far in a world where you'll spend most of your life bowing your head to a boss of one kind or another. Or if they teach kids that all that matters in life is a fat paycheck, that would just be messed up. Etc..)

But when it comes down to it, it's because of such kids that others get a 45th rate education. There may only be 10 kids in a 30 kid class even remotely interested in learning something (maybe fewer than that), but... we should at least give those 10 a proper shot at it if we're going to bother at all.

I beg to differ, for there's a difference between the concept of special schools for kids with disciplinary problems and the actual execution.

Sure, I completely agree that it's a bad idea to just lump those kids together and wait for them to either get rid of each other or somehow mysteriously turn into nice kids. Let's face it, most of those institutions are just meant to keep those "worthless bastards" out of the way of "normal" people. It's ghettos all over again, and everybody knows that ghettos only make things worse.

BUT, if done the right way, this can actually be really helpful, not just for society and it's "normal" members, but above all to those children with disciplinary problems. They need special treatment (and I'm not talking about boot camps, but a fair mix of sympathy and strict guidelines), something they won't find in normal schools or, in most cases, at home. Yet with the right support (which, for example, includes individual supervision), putting them into the same school actually has some huge benefits. For example, if done right, there's a very high chance of experiencing a chain reaction after teaching a couple of those children how to better deal with their aggressions and their own insecurities.

The key to a successful disciplinary school is understanding that those are not evil kids. They are children who lack firm yet loving parenting. They are children that hide their own fears behind making others fear them. They are children that never learned how to defend themselves with words, so they have to use their fists.

For the really bad ones, yes I mean what about children who don't want to spend their shcooling time fighting/protecting themselves?. Aggressive children can be highly disruptive towards "normal" children.
Sorry...the rest of us do not deserve to suffer because of this, that's why we have prisons.
Also, they could use more highly trained teachers to deal with their aggression and maybe rehabilitate them before it's too late and they do end up in prison.

They can and do put all the bad kids in one school where I live. When i was in high school, and you were expelled from school you went to a different one and were bussed there from your current school. Everyone who was expelled went there, that is, until you were expelled completely from the district. Then you would have to look into home school or moving to a different district.

Generally the concept, "You cannot help those who do not want to be helped" comes to mind for this.

Putting troubled kids together into one huge school will more than likely cause no good. Keep them within a regular public school but give them a class and support group, only you wouldn't want to call the class, program, whatever you want to call it as "disciplinary problems." That moreover would probably make them rebel a little or feel unease at having been placed within that kind of program. Rather give it a different name that makes it probably feel a little positive but won't embarrass the kid too much.

If the kid does something bad, slap him on the hand and give him some sort of chore to do either at the school or publicly. If they persist, then there's gonna have to be some other method figured out to try and help them.


But yeah, again, cannot help those who do not want help.

Although you are basing this off the assumption that they choose to behave in such a manner of their own free will. Whereas I would imagine in many instances it is environmental influences which are causing such behaviour to occur. By putting them in specialized schools you could hopefully identify and directly target what is causing them to act in that way.

I have to fully agree. Very, very few kids choose to be "evil" - most of them are actually pretty scared and only hide their own insecurity behind making others feel even worse.

Take a hundred kids with diciplinary problems, put them under the care of responsible, strict yet caring guardians and I guarantee at least sixty of them to come out of this as fairly likeable people.

I can only advise everybody (especially those of us who were mobbed by those kids before) to not let your dislike of what they did to you make you blind towards the real problem here. Putting them into special school should never be a way to come back at them or to guard us against them, but instead it should be in order to help them.

I think its a brilliant idea! Just lock them all in there with no escape and plenty of guns. Create drama, mind games, starve them, don't let them sleep, etc. And just sit back and watch them snap and remove themselves from the gene pool.

Though also what needs to be taken in as well is age.
Depending on their age they can be stubborn and not want to change even if it's for the better.
Or they could possibly start leading a double life.

Some may not want to change. So it does lead back to "You cannot help those who do not want to be helped"

Also forgot to add, that if you put them into one school in such a large group and such, it doesn't give them a chance to see other good people and see that it's "normal," whereas keeping them in smaller groups and providing the right kind of support and the right tools, there is more of a chance for them to recognize certain things about themselves and change on their own will.
Putting them under strict supervision will more than likely cause rebelling. Sure that may be a strategy that would help for some kids, but not all.
And again, if you were to put them within a "special" school, some would find it highly embarrassing, probably another reason to rebel. Or they would stop attending school altogether. If it was one that was made out to act like a prison, that's only going to want them to find ways to runaway, as well as deceive others as "look, I'm a good kid" and then just resume their previous behaviors before they had to go into such a school.

There are all sorts of different people, I think that kids should really learn how to deal with these people early on, so they are not driven insane and to kill ._. I am just saying that someone that is sheltered, would be the ones who would eventually snap

Although you are still under the assumption that the reason they are in said situation is because they are doing it of their own free will. Case in point, in Aotearoa New Zealand Maori are overrepresented in negative statistics. When it comes to school research has shown that discrimination and ethnocentrism has been a huge cause behind this. This is not overly surprising as in many ethnic groups which have suffered forced ethnocide and assimilation, the victims find themselves overrepresented in negative statistics.

Now I want to stress I am not using this example to push for a system of segregation. But rather it is to demonstrate that things are not always as simple as they simply chose to commit the crime.

You do however make a good point that there is going to be a degree of variance. I do not deny this at all, indeed there would be quite some irony if the solution to the one glove fits all approach was simply to change add another glove. Specialized schools would ideally be more of a last option solution, when possible it would certainly be more desirable to have programmes aimed at the students. For instance the high school I went to had an academy programme, aimed at students who were more hands on. It was here instead of learning in the classroom you could learn in a workshop, all the while earning your apprenticeship in a trade.

Haha nice point, we should certainly incorporate a system which tries to address problems as early as possible. I have heard some parts of U.S.A had a Head start programme for a while which was helping issues with Ghetto children. Its a shame Race Ideology ended that.

they dont really have schools like that here i mean there was one but it closed down after katrina now they just throw them in juvie for a few days sometimes weeks O_O

I think putting kids with disciplinary problems in the same school is a great idea. The staff would be well-trained to handle situations within the school, as compared to a regular school where teachers would feel threatened or confused. As for the people with emotional problems - wait, what? The title says disciplinary problems. Why are emotional people being thrown into the equation?

because in some cases emotional problems are what lead to disciplinary problems.

Of course. No matter how messed up your life is you will always have free will!