I'm a Christian and I love Halloween. Halloween is and was never about Satan. It was about masking yourself from evils. It's a fun holiday. It's nothing that should be thought of as such. Tell her to take the stick out of her butt.

I have the same issue weekly with a co-worker of mine. I wish she was in Halloween since I was all decked out a demon with the horns and everything. She thinks Druids worship the devil. -_-

I think it all depends on what you believe in. I think she might of been just an extremely religious woman. But if that's what she believes in, she shouldn't be ruining other people's fun by trying to almost convert them to what she believes. She should just mind her buisiness.

I live in Toronto, Ontario, Canada and there is a girl in my grade who isn't allowed to celebrate Halloween because her mom believes it to be Satan's holiday. The family is Chinese, if that makes a cultural difference. But I don't really know much about it myself. This is however not the first time I have heard it referred to as Satan's holiday. I think the girl whom I was referring to's mom believed it to be Satan's birthday though I am not sure where she could have gotten that idea.

I trick or treat every Halloween night and not once have I seen, nor have been sacrificed to the devil. Besides gaining 1,000,000 pounds (exagerated) because of all the yummy candy, Halloween is my favorite holiday (:

She's retarded! It may be scary and stuff on Halloween but the devil is not even %1 real.
I would tell her...
"B*tch that's no reason to speak like that!"
Runes: Exactly! These kids once told me that they don't celebrate Halloween because they're Christian. Plus, they say I'm not a Christian if I don't go to church. I'm a Christian and I don't go to church.

No need to be so cruel. She has a right to believe in what she wants to believe. It doesn't make her retarted. Just because we don't agree with her doesn't make it wrong for her to have her own opinion.

Let me put it this way.

Most Christians believe in black and white. Their faith tells them there is 1 way to heaven and God and that any other way(including any other religion) would be the work of the devil. Their faith also teaches that anything not done for the glory of their God is considered evil because it is a distraction and will eventually lead to immorality.

The Celts celebrated November 1st as the new year due to the end of the harvest. Celts believed that on the night of October 31st, the boundaries between the living and the dead disappeared and it was believed that the dead would return to earth. During the night, they would celebrate the God of the Dead and sacrifice crops and animals to the God of the Dead. Later after the Celts had been conquered by the Romans and the Romans became Christians, they designated November 1st as all saints day, also known as "all-hollows" or "all-hollowsmas." This celebration was designated to the God of the Living, or the Christian God. The night before this day became known as "All-Hollows-Eve" which transformed into Halloween. Things such as "Trick or treat" were not introduced until much later after many immigrants from Europe had traveled to the United States, bringing with them their culture and celebrations.

After taking all this into consideration, you can see why Christians view this holiday negatively. In their minds, there is a battle going on between God and Satan. Their belief is that God will in the end win, but at this point Satan is trying to take down as many people with him as possible. Because of this, Satan is considered the "Lord of Evil." So when a bunch of people put on costumes of scary things such as monsters, ghosts and other things Christians are against it is obvious to them that it is worship of "Satan." Whether or not it really is satanic worship should be decided amongst the religions that acknowledge a "Satan." Not by the general public as Satan is a religious figure and should remain as such.

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I'm sorry but, [email protected] this thread. This women seriously thought this!???!! Oh man, I weep for the human race. This is the kinda thing that shows how f'ed up organized Religion is. (Among maaanny other things I won't mention.) To be perfectly honest, I'm happy she thinks its Satan's Holiday, i'll dress up like a demon and give her a heart attack. That kinda thinking is what makes people narrow-minded and absolutely crazy. The only absolute truth in this world is that you cannot achieve absolute truth.

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I remember when this used to be the commonly held approach. I believe it has been referred to as colonialism and marginalization. I was unaware such a theoretical approach to the study of cultural phenomena was still entertained. As even approaches such as structural-functionalism get critiqued nowadays over issues of power imbalance between those doing the defining and those being defined. As for whether a cultural phenomena is really worshiping Satan, I imagine a key place to look would be with the people who actually practice said cultural phenomena. Much like if one was interested in studying the Ju| Hoansi concept of Kia and whether or not it is Satanic an ideal approach would be to either directly conduct the field research among Ju| Hoansi and directly perform participant observation yourself, or to read the material of someone else who has (Richard Katz has some great work on this).

To pretend that this is isolated to organized religion is naive at best and intellectual fraud at worst. Indeed what you have identified as being unique to organized religion is in fact present in most (if not all) culture!

Which you are a part of.

No, their faith doesn't tell them this. The two gods most modern Christians worship, Milton and Dante, tell them this. It is pop Christianity that has created a devil and named him Satan. Judaism, the religion they got Satan from, makes it very clear that he is not evil, and is instead an angel who, like most of the more important angels, has a specialty, his being testing those who profess faith to separate the true believers from the false. Only one point in the Bible is Satan mentioned in a negative light, and that is in Revelation, by a man, a man who happened to make a lot of other statements that were contradictory to the rest of the Bible. They cannot blame their polaric view of the world on their faith.

Except that October and November did not exist on the calendar the Celts used. Their calendar not only had different months but a different number of days, and as such, Samhain, the holiday you're referring to, fell between days on our calendar. It's a different day every year, but it usually falls somewhere around the 22nd, over a week before Halloween.

And which god would that be? After all, the Celts were not one tribe, but many, and each had its own gods. Arawn, ruler over the underworld of Annwn, is the closest to a god of death I know of, and he wasn't worshiped by all Celts. I could of course mention that most ancient groups, the Celts included, did not worship their gods as archetypes and as such there was no "God of the Dead", only gods associated with things that are associated with death, but surely you've done enough research to know this already.

Source on YHVH being considered the God of the Living. It's been awhile since I picked up a Bible, but I'm pretty sure he's believed by Christians to encompass all, even Evil (he even says so himself!)l, and certainly Death.

So the Romans came in and raped and plundered and did their thing, and forced the conversion of the Celts to Christianity, and they abandoned their beliefs about Samhain in favour of a holiday celebrating YHVH.

...No, I don't really see why Christians would view it negatively. Modern-day pagans, maybe, Celtic Reconstructionists, most definitely, perhaps even aware non-pagans with Celtic ancestry, but I don't see any reason for Christians to be upset.

Why would Christians be against ghosts, monsters, and "scary things"? YHVH can be pretty scary himself, to the point that many Christians call themselves "God-fearing", so obviously something being scary doesn't make it evil. Furthermore, even if they did consider these things evil, that doesn't make the act of dressing up as these things evil. Otherwise, all those churches who put on huge productions where some guy dresses up as Satan and makes little kids cry have some serious explaining to do. So no, they really have no religious reason to consider it evil.

A) As I mentioned earlier, Christians did not abide by this rule. They took a Jewish figure and went nuts with him, giving him names that don't even make sense (Lucifer's a Latin name, why on Earth would an ancient Jewish entity be called that?) and mutilating the interpretation of their own holy book to try and fit him in places. If they get to do with him what they please, so does everyone else.

B) You're not referring to an entity, you're referring to an act. I don't care what your beliefs are about an entity, if you accused someone of worshipping him and they say they aren't, you are wrong, they are right, end of discussion. If I accuse you of worshipping, say, Lilith, does that fly? No, of course it doesn't, because even if we pretend that the wearing of costumes and whatnot is worshipping something (which it isn't; it's based on a SECULAR cultural practice), if they say they aren't worshipping something, you can still say they're worshipping Satan or Odin or Bob the Builder, but you should not expect people to take your word for it. Claiming a religion does not give you authority to speak on matters relating to that religion.

Also, your source sucks. First freaking paragraph, and they get their facts about the druids completely wrong. It's actually hilarious that you chose this site to support the idea that Halloween could be viewed as evil, when it reads like something from an SRW or Bonewits book.

Loveslust: Red's pretty much covered it, but I will say this: your myopic, closeminded view of religion is incredibly ignorant. There is nothing in Christianity demanding these people act this way, anymore than it demanded they view blacks and women as less-than-people or kill and torture those who did not believe what they did. And that's Christianity by itself. That's not including all the other organized religions you've for some odd reason decided to implicate. I dare say a whole lot of them don't honestly give a shit if a bunch of little kids decide to run around in strange costumes. They wouldn't even care if they really WERE worshiping Satan. It's not a figure that belongs in their mythos, therefore they do not care. It isn't organized religion that's "f'ed up", as you so eloquently put it, but rather people like you who learn a tiny bit about the mainstream form of a single religion and then think that they have the authority to speak about all 300-and-something of them.

Ah, I wish I had a "awesome comments" archive. This would totally be in it.

Names do not have to be said to indicate something. I don't know what your background is on the subject, but I've studied religion for a very long time and you are incorrect. In fact, Modern Christianity is moving away from the idea of Satan, while more traditional Christians keep with the idea. Also, It's naive to state there are so many contradictions in the Bible when all you've ever read is the English version, which is not the first version. If you read the Bible in the original languages you'd see it's quite different than the common misconceptions that plague it today.

The present day Halloween is different from the current celebrations of Samhain, however this is where the holiday originated from. The 12 month calendar dates back to Roman times so yes, it would have been applicable at the time.

It was simply a way to differentiate.

Christians today are not responsible for the actions of Romans and Christians at that time period, so I'm not sure what your point there is.

Although if your really understood the Christian religion you would understand why they holiday is viewed negatively. However many view Christianity in a very closed-minded way.

"God-fearing" means respecting, not literal fear. The Christian religion teaches a spiritual world in which demonic forces roam, and things like Ghosts would be considered negative spiritual forces.

This is another place where you are being very closed minded. Nowhere is it said that costumes aren't allowed. However because a big part of Halloween is dressing up in costumes your automatically assuming that because Christians are against Halloween, they're also against dressing up in scary things. This isn't correct. According to the Christian religion, there is nothing wrong with dressing up and asking for candy, it's the background of the holiday that is considered the bad part. The history of the holiday. The pagan beginnings of the holiday are what turn Christians away.

But names ARE said. Satan is mentioned in the Bible, by name, but not as an evil entity. What are you going on about? And who are these "modern Christians" you're talking about? Because even the most "modern" Christians I've heard of, read anything by, or seen commercials for, still believe in Satan and still believe he's evil. Of course, they also believe in the Fall, so that shows you what their mentality is.

First off, thanks for assuming things about me! You have no idea what I have and have not read, so kindly stop. Second, I didn't say there were "so many contradictions", I named one and mentioned that there were a few others made by that same man. Learn to read before you criticize me.

Except that it's exactly that, Roman, and as such the Celts were not exposed to it until the Romans invaded. The Coligny calendar comes closest to a mix of the various Celtic lunar-based calendars and the Roman solar-based calendar, and it does have 12 months, but every 2 1/2 years an extra month was added to the year, meaning that unless you account for that, our October 31st is way off from theirs. And it's even farther off if you use the lunar calendars, the ones that they were actually using when they were celebrating Samhain. The Coligny calendar wasn't created until long after most of the Celts had converted to Christianity.

No, no it wasn't. You set it up as, this is the way it was, this is what it turned into; it was about death, now it's about life. You made up a deity that they celebrated, then used a false (and very misleading, even from a Christian perspective; if I were Christian, I'd be upset that you were turning my all-mighty deity into a one dimensional archetype) title for YHVH in order to demonstrate the "enlightening" of the ignorant pagans. Had you actually only wanted to "differentiate", you would have just said pagan gods vs YHVH, the End.

At no point did I put any blame on modern Christians. I said that if anyone has a reason to view Halloween as bad, it's the people who are connected in some way to those who were forcibly converted and their cultural traditions demonized and then done away with entirely.

So I can't understand it, not because I just dismantled your entire argument using your own words, but because I'm not Christian. Uh huh. Try again, this time with a bit less BS.

Then I guess the Trinity is evil! The Holy Ghost must really be a demon that is trying to mislead the faithful and make them believe it's a part of YHVH. I also guess that all those "fire and brimstone" preachers don't have a clue what they're talking about.

Seriously, though, you're reaching. You have not explained why they would necessarily, according to their religion, view ghosts as a bad thing. Nonexistent, maybe; while the Bible doesn't really say a whole lot about the afterlife, it's generally assumed that all souls go somewhere, they don't just stick around, but even that is entirely left up to individual interpretation. But if they do believe in ghosts, then they wouldn't necessarily believe they're a negative force. They have no religious reason to. And again, you still have to prove that in Christianity, scary = evil.

You said that they had a problem with the costumes, not me. Personally, I didn't agree with your statement. I've heard a lot of Christian arguments against Halloween, and never have the costumes entered into the equation, though perhaps more conservative Quakers might have an issue with the costumes as it is pretending to be someone or something other than who and what you are. But you brought it up, so I answered it.

Then they should really have an issue with Christmas. While I will not go all fluffy bunny and claim that Christmas comes from Yule, many of the traditions associated with Christmas do, or from festivities associated with Yule. The decorating of trees, the yule log, the giant feast, mistletoe, presents, they all come from pagan Yuletide celebrations or, at the very least, celebrations that, while secular, were practiced by pagans. So sure, they can celebrate Christmas, but they cannot have big dinners, they cannot decorate trees, they cannot open presents, they cannot do any of the things we normally associate with Christmas.

Thanks for intentionally avoiding so many of my questions and challenges, though. You're making this quite easy for me.

Only Christians who are considered "Born Again" have a majority believing in Satan is something other than an evil religious figure or symbol.

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Oh I'm sorry, have you actually read the entire Bible in it's original language? And what contradiction was that? Because even though I'm not a Christian, I do stand with them when saying there really aren't many, if any, contradictions in the Bible, especially when read in the original language. Most errors found by the average person can easily be traced to an incorrect translation.

After the Romans took over, they named November 1st, All Saints Day because the night before was a celebration of the dead.

Now who's making the assumptions? I misspoke, and I said what I did to differentiate because there were multiple references to different religious figures in my post.

I didn't say that's what you said. But it is certainly what you indicated. And the rest of this makes no sense.

Today when we think of a "ghost" we think of a spooky soul of someone who as already died. This is what I was referring to as a ghost. Don't get caught up in wording technicalities. Actually you just contradicted yourself. You yourself said souls don't stick around, then went on to say if they do they're not negative. According to the Christian religion(except for minor denominations) when people die they go to one of two places. Heaven or Hell. If they don't go to hell, they go to heaven, or some cases all would go to heaven. However there isn't a belief that say the souls stay on earth unless you speak of the sleeping theory in which case the souls are not able to do anything but sleep. So any "souls" slinking would be negative because every time a "heavenly" creature such as an angel or cherub appeared, there was no ambiguity.

Why do I care if your a Christian or not? I'm not a Christian, and personally I don't care what your religious beliefs are. I do however care that you seem to know everything about a subject that in reality you know little about which has been shown by your own words. The only place you dismantled my argument is in your own mind.

I said they had a problem with the celebration of Halloween.

Actually the birth of Jesus started being celebrated in the 4th century. Christianity took in the Roman festival Saturnalia and in an attempt to convert people to Christianity, designated a day during the festival as the birthday of Jesus. Yuletide is where many of the traditions of Christmas can be traced back to however it was the Yuletide celebrations that were absorbed into the already established Christian holiday. Yuletide was a celebration of the Germanic peoples.

And your immature remarks do the same for me. :)

That does not in any way prove your point. It points to 76% being iffy about their belief in Satan. It does not mean that they do not believe in him, and it does not even address how many of those who believe he exists, believe him to be evil. Also, I suppose they've removed the book of Job from the Bible now? I guess it's entirely possible, though if that's the case, I wish they'd stick the Gospel of Eve back in its place. Might make church interesting.

...Languages. Plural. It was written in Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew, and I believe Latin, depending on the section in question. Jesus, Hayzel, at least Wiki it before you say anything.

Like I said, he calls Satan evil, when the rest of the Bible does no such thing. He also makes the only reference to the serpent in the Garden of Eden being anything more than a normal animal. He also makes the only non-metaphorical reference to Hell and the only reference to YHVH being all-powerful (there are several points in the Bible where this is shown to not be the case, such as YHVH not being able to destroy an army because their chariots were made from iron).

I'm not saying that the Bible itself is contradictory. But the man in question was exactly that, a man. Not even the Yeshua kind of man, just a dude. And the apostles often disagreed with one another. So taking one's word over all others is dangerous, especially when the section in question is political commentary, nothing divine at all.

Pro tip: repeating your point does not make it right.

And there were easier and less flat-out wrong ways you could have said that. I don't like you, Hayzel, I'll admit that, but I don't think you're stupid. So I can only assume you understood the implications of what you were saying when you typed it.

No, it is not what I "indicated". If I were blaming them, I would have come out and said that. But I didn't. I don't think ANYONE has a right to get pissy over it, not now, and I am a pagan who is quite proud of my Celtic ancestry.

...No, I did not say that. I did not bring my beliefs about ghosts into it at all. I said that most CHRISTIANS (read that, Christians, not ME) do not believe they exist, but if they do believe they exist, they have no religious reason to believe they are evil.

According to individuals, not according to the Bible. The Bible makes no mention of where souls go. It describes Heaven, but it does not indicate that's where a lot of people go. It mentions Sheol by a few different names, literally the grave, indicating nonexistence. Revelation mentions a fiery underworld, but it does not indicate that any human souls go there. Any idea like the one you suggested came from another Christian, someone who wasn't YHVH, Jesus, or even a disciple. So it's not exactly as central to Christian faith as you suggest, no more so than any other theory.

Pretty sure there's nothing limiting supernatural entities to YHVH, angel, or demon. Also, minor note: cherubim are angels, and considering what they're actually said to look like (giant beings with a multitude of wings and the heads of animals, usually lions; the little naked babies are something else entirely), it's a very good thing that there are no stories in the Bible or in other Christian writings of encounters with them. Malachim, maybe, and perhaps even seraphim, but not cherubim.

And there's plenty of ambiguity when it comes to encounters with angels. Take Lot, for instance -- the townspeople didn't know his guests were angels, and neither did he at first. Granted, in cases like this, it is implied that they intentionally hid their true nature, but if they can do it in the Bible, why can't they now? Who's to say ghosts aren't angels?

Because you stated that you did. You said:
When I picked apart your argument (that Christians have a reason to dislike Halloween due to its origins) by using your own words (It may borrow the general time of the year from a pagan holiday, but it was founded by the Romans, who were Christians) to show that it was a solely Christian holiday, you responded by saying that the reason I didn't agree with you was because I didn't understand. That, my dear, is a fallacy.

Then how about you stop attacking me and show how little I know in your debating, rather than deleting huge sections of my posts and ignoring challenges and assuming things about me you cannot possibly know and intentionally misquoting and misrepresenting points, both mine and your own?

No. You. Did. Not. I quoted where you said, unambiguously, that they did not like the costumes. You even went into detail about WHY they didn't like the costumes. Even if you hadn't said that, and instead had left it as vague as just "the celebration of Halloween", guess what? Costumes are a part of that. The biggest part, or at least the one most people think of first when they think of Halloween. So you'd still be referring to them, even if it was indirectly.

Ah, so you do know how to use Wikipedia! Good job. However, "actually" is used when contradicting a previous statement. Nothing you said contradicted anything I said. I even made a point of mentioning that Christmas did not come from Yule. However, it is undeniable that some of the cultural traditions (again, such as the YULE log; where the hell do you think that came from if not Yule?) associated with and usually practiced alongside Christmas did. And if Christians don't like Halloween, a Christian holiday that only even references ancient secular practices because of the secondary religion of Capitalism, then they certainly should not like Christmas, or at least the way it's celebrated.

I don't see how it's "immature". Rather than saying that you have no response or that you can't respond, you just delete entire sections of my post. I'm usually okay with that, I understand not wanting to quote an entire paragraph just to respond with a single sentence. But you do that, then intentionally misrepresent or pretend I didn't even write what you deleted. And you've done it repeatedly. It is rude and extremely childish. We're debating, we're not trying to win a popularity contest, so poisoning the well against me does nothing but make you look stupid when a lurker happens to read a previous post of mine and goes, oh hey, she already addressed that, or she didn't say that.

@Crimson Fang. You're assumption that I specifically asserted that statement to JUST organized religion, is apathetic at best, and short sighted at worst. This topic is specifically about a person, who has become so obsessed with their religion it has disillusioned them from seeing that other people have their own personal beliefs that may conflict with their own. Christians deny the whole and complete utter possibility that anyone who doesn't share their beliefs could possibly be correct about anything. I enjoy pissing them off. Because 95% of the time, they are wrong. Or, the revert back to their "Faith" argument, when they actually want to get into an intellectual debate about Religion. I could go on and on, but ill leave this here to fester. Oh and by the way, Intellectual Fraud? Really? I'm not sure how to even respond to that.

@Alixness. Congratulations Inspector Crusoe! You've cracked another impossible case! Of course I am apart of the human race. I never said I wasn't. Saying, "I weep for the human race." Just as it says, includes ALL of the human race. I never exclude anybody when I talk about human beings as whole. +1 on the troll though.

Actually I looking at this post I just made again, I think I have been a bit rude to say the least. While I did genuinely perceive your post as implying that this was exclusively organized religions at first you have clarified here that this is not the case. As such I withdraw my accusations. Furthermore I apologize for acting so rudely towards you.

Very mature.


Saying that you weep for the human race (or weep for anyone for that matter) is insulting. Especially when your 'weeping' for something that they believe in. We are here to debate, not to insult. I am in no way a troll. I just simply did not know how to respond to what you said because I was shocked at how someone could say such a thing to another human being directing it to a religious belief. I'm not trying to be mean, but what you said was insulting and uncalled for. You could have left that little detail out and still have made a good argument.

Would be so kind as to quote where it says that? Because I can't seem to find it anywhere. And yes, it does prove my point because if you had read my source(which you probably didn't, since you only commented on the quoted part) you would've seen how little people actually think Satan is something other than an evil symbol. However, Satan being a spiritual being was a much more popular belief around the same time as the salem which trials. Which does indicate that the idea is being thrown out slowly. Here's another source although I may be wasting my time by posting it: Source

Mostly Hebrew and Greek though. But again, your caught the technicality of a single word and you completely side-stepped my question which leads me to assume that you have not read the Bible in anything other than the English language despite all your claimed knowledge of it.

Something tells me you have not read much of the Bible yourself.

In Genesis 3: 1-5 there is a reference to a serpent that is a translation problem. The Hebrew word in these verses is Nachash. The definitions of Nachash are(in no specific order):

1. One who hisses
2. One who hisses whispers or spells
3. Shining One

It does not specify serpent anywhere. In fact, serpents aren't the only creatures who "hiss." What about a cat? Even humans are described sometimes as hissing.

This is from Ezekiel 28
Most Bible scholars agree that this is a reference to Satan and his fall. A common misconception is that Satan is a fallen angel, when he is not. He is a fallen Cherub, or Guardian. All Angel means is messenger. Okay, now I used King James because it's the most accepted version of english although it still has many errors. When it refers to "ground" in verse 17 it is referring to the earth. The reason this is thought to be Satan is that 1, it's a cherub or spiritual being. and 2, it's in the Garden of Eden.

Isaiah 14:12a speaks about "O Lucifer, son of the morning!" or in other translations "O shining one, son of the dawn." Lucifer means light bearer.

Now then, since evidence in the verse points to being Satan, it mentions his wickedness, corruption and violence. The meaning of the verse was most likely an example of a being cast down by God for the King of Tyre so he would obey.


Now you have to back this up... I've given lots of evidence and sources so it's time for you to do the same.

Romans had the ROMAN calendar. After they took over the Celts, they named NOVEMBER 1st All saints day because the DAY BEFORE the Celts had celebrated the dead. What part are you disagreeing with and state some evidence because your arrogant remarks don't help you any.

It was honestly just a way of differentiating. Nothing more. I wish I could take it back because yes it was a mistake on my part, but it was not because a lack of understanding but simply a way to differentiate. I also find it funny that the only time you call me smart is when it benefits you. Ha.

Okay first of all, find me a verse that says angels have wings. Then find me a verse that states Cherubim and Seraphim are the same thing as Angels. Angels are described as looking like men, and it is never said that they have 'wings'. Cherubim are described very oddly and yes are described with wings. Angels are messengers, while Cherubim are guardians. We have no descriptions of Seraphim in the Bible however. Also, the "im" is a plural. The singulars are Cherub and Seraph. The little things we consider today to be Cherubs or cupids are actually "pooties" from Greek culture I believe.

Again, show me a verse the states angel's have wings. Just like what you stated above, they don't look like anything other than beautiful men. Where exactly is it implied they hid their true nature? Use some Bible verses to back it up.

Your making a bunch of assumptions on misconceptions and false ideas.

I find it funny that you equate my saying "if you understood Christianity" to "You have to be a Christian to understand." Talk about twisting my words! Also, where on earth are you getting that Halloween was founded by the Romans? Please, cite some sources.

What challenges did I ignore? How am I misquoting when I quote directly from you? Misrepresenting your points? show some evidence of this instead of just accusations please.

I despise Wikipedia. I would never use that as a source. It's unreliable to say the least.
My point was that Christmas does not come from another holiday such as Halloween does. It base is not grounded in anything other than the Christian religion. It was not based off of Saturnalia, but the date was picked during Saturnalia for the reason of ministry. Also, I have never, nor heard of anyone else Christian or not, using a yule log.

I didn't delete anything. I also don't intentionally misrepresent or pretend you don't write stuff. If I ever pick out a single sentence, it's because it's easier to quote that then the entire paragraph and the single sentence usually sums the paragraph. If you speaking about your first response to my original post, I skipped the one paragraph because I had made a mistake about the "God of the Dead" and after re-reading my sources a little more carefully realized what I had misunderstood. However it was minor compared to the rest of my point. So why is there a need to quote a paragraph I agree with?

Also, your last several paragraphs were merely opinion. Despite you attacking my source you failed to cite a source yourself discrediting mine or even supporting your theory.

Anything else I skipped was probably because there was no point in debating it when you seem to not cite sources of your information or I actually agreed with you and didn't feel as though it needed to addressed further.

In all honesty, no. I think it is ridiculous to think that Halloween is Satan's holiday. Halloween may be a day that kids dress up in costumes that may be associated with creatures of darkness and whatnot, but it is certainly not the devil's holiday. Perhaps such a conspiracy awakened because Jesus has a Holiday dedicated towards him? But unlike on Christmas when people give thanks to Jesus, people normally do not give thanks to Satan on Halloween. Some people do link Satan to monsters and witches, but the stories of witches and monsters are mostly directed to the imagination of children in modern times. So in modern times, I think it is ridiculous to suggest that Halloween is Satan's Holiday.

Maybe you should read my post about the origins of Halloween.

So you are asserting that Halloween is definitely about worshiping Satan? If you are indeed asserting that celebrating Halloween definitely implies that the people doing the celebrating are worshiping Satan it tends to raise some other questions. How can someone who does not believe in Satan be understood to be worshiping Satan? Or how about instances where they may believe in the concept of Satan, but do not believe that they are worshiping him through their Halloween celebrations? Would you assert that in these instances they are A) blatantly lying, or B) suffer from some form of mental retardation which renders them incapable of understanding their own culture? As this does sound dangerously close to approaches utilized as part of colonialism and marginalization.

Now be clear, I am not going to refute and challenge you on a historical level. But rather I would highlight that cultures do not remain static but are in a constant state of flux. What this means with the topic, is that whether or not it had certain meanings in the past, this is not always relevant to how it is understood by people in the present. All knowledge after all is particular to specific cultural and historical context. As such the meanings of Halloween (and whether it involves the worship by Satan) will be defined and determined by the people who actively celebrate it. I would stress that this does not in itself prove that Halloween is not about worshiping Satan. It would simply provide us with an understanding that the celebration of Halloween by a particular group in a particular time was not related to the celebration of Halloween.

How freaking ridiculous. I totally agree with Velvet. Halloween is not something to be afraid of. The kids aren't dressing up and celebrating Halloween to worship Satan, they're doing it for fun. There dressing up for fun and for the candy. Its a harmless holiday thats not going to kill anyone. Ever. And yes, to Christians, it wont kill you either (and I do realize that there are some that celebrate Halloween too).