Oh, I wasn't trying to contradict you. I was just clarifying. You had said governor and I wanted to make sure it was senator because I think a senator has more experience with actual national and even global issues.

I still kind of agree with that. Obama did not do anything that was globally recognized as effective in promoting peace, but I still think we have to give him and the noble prize committee a little more credit. I think they would know better what helps promote peace and what doesn't. Maybe the act of giving it at all will help peace. *shrug* I just know I wouldn't want to be on that committee.

I don't know exactly how one becomes one of those five people, but I would hope that there is a more difficult election process and that they would not be that biased. They do such an important thing.

:roll: Obama is nothing more than a showman. He is far from smart, and giving him a NPP for his efforts in nuclear disarmament is retarded. People seem to forget, where are we going to put this nuclear weapons. What will happen once we 'think' we need to use them and they get re-armed. Cause its a bomb. Pretty easy to arm them again.

He made history cause of his 1/8% heritage. He surely did give hope to people. Most of which has gone down. As his ratings are going down from when he was elected. More and more people I saw while I was home who voted for obama wish they had not.

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Most black people have a little bit of white in them or a lot of white, but they are still treated like black people. That part of Obama doesn't really bother me. Personally, I voted for him not because he was black, but because of what he talked about doing. People who keep shoving it in his face because he is only 1/8 black or whatever aren't really focusing on his policies. If someone voted for him because they saw him as a black person and wanted a black president, then once he was elected found they didn't like his policies, that's not really his fault.

The problem with talking about disarming bombs and such is it has to be a global thing or it won't work. Nobody is going to put down their weapon when other people still have it. It is a big job to try and get the whole world to agree on something, especially something that would make them feel vulnerable and that they would lose some of their edge over other countries. I think even trying to get a lot of people to start thinking about disarming is a huge task. Too many people take on the opinion of your post that there is no way to make everyone put away their weapons, so why even try. I still don't think he necessarily deserves it yet, but I won't belittle the achievements he has made.

Goldenlici: :hug:

Um, I don't think I was arguing anything about him being black. Simply stating he made history because he is the first black president. So technically all he did was show his lies views and people elected him because they believed in his views. That is what I thought an election campaign was meant for.


No, again not what I said. Stop reading one thing and arguing it. Let me give some spoons for you.
Why should we disarm nuclear weapons?
What makes nuclear weapons different from 1000 hydrogen bombs?
Once nuclear weapons are disarmed. Where would we put the warheads?
How would we keep people from making new ones?

My point overall is there is no way of stopping it. But what achievements has he made towards it? Everyone can talk. Doesn't mean he is successful at all with it.

That is what an election should be about, but lets face it, people in general aren't like that. I know tons of people who voted for him just because he looked black, tons who voted for him because they hated bush, and tons who voted for him because they hated Palin. A lot of people I talked to actually liked McCain's ideas better, but wouldn't elect him because of Palin, so they just switched to Obama. Remember, it was really close between Obama and McCain until Palin.

I don't think he has "changed" his viewpoints anymore than any other person elected to an office of power in the entire history of the country. I am still amazed that people are so shocked that an elected person doesn't do everything the say they will do exactly how and when they say they will. It's nothing new. You have to look at the general ideologies of the person and vote based on that. Obama is pretty much following his general views: lessening the war in a step towards withdrawal, improving health care, etc. There are over 500 other people in our government that affect what he does, so the things he does will have to change based on those people.

Because they are highly dangerous materials, that affect the environment long after they have been used. They are typically bombs that lend themselves to bombing cities rather than small bases, so they would kill more civilians than soldiers. They aren't very affective at stopping actually soldiers and operations that is what actually threatens you. Look at how it was used in WWII, we bombed a civilian city, where women and children were in the majority (people who didn't fit and who wouldn't fit against us).

Also, the people who own them is very limited, so they try to lord over other nations. Thus, many people try to develop them. However, there are so many things that could go wrong with trying to develop them, that you could cause more harm to your country just by accident than having a nuclear bomb dropped on you. The nature of nuclear weapons is so volatile and unpredictable that they can cause more harm to the people that have them than the people that don't.

First of all, hydrogen is much less dangerous than the chemicals in nuclear weapons. Hydrogen naturally occurs everywhere, so it would not affect the environment too much. I'm still not a big fan of those bombs either, but they are much less dangerous than nuclear bombs and can be safely stored for long periods of time.
They could go to nuclear power plants, which are much safer than they used to be and can create a huge amount of energy. They can be stored with the massive amount of nuclear waste that is being created from other things. Also, the waste from making the warheads is also dangerous and so the more that are made, the more nuclear waste there will be anyway.
That is what people are working on. It is not about physically taking away nuclear bombs, but changing the global opinion of nuclear weapons. Opinions are already starting to shift away from nuclear weapons. Certainly, they aren't tested on a regular basis, especially since one was actually used in WWII and people can see just what kind of horrible damage they can cause to innocent civilians.

There is certainly no way of stopping them if we do nothing or think that nothing can be done. Go to wikipedia and look at the other people who one the Nobel Peace Prize. A lot of them are listed as "supporters" of something or "helped" do something. There are several presidents listed and other government officials who usually didn't do anything more than what Obama has done.

I you can tell me what he did to deserve it I might could say yes.
But since he didnt I say no. There were certainly more deserving nominees.

I'd like to pose a new (related) question:

Since everyone is in a general consensus that he does not deserve it right now, what would you have him do to earn it? (please keep in mind that we're talking about peace, not economics or domestic social issues)

Well what would you have him do to make him actually worthy of it?

Both of you completely ignored what I said :sweat:

Health care and economy =/= peace.

We're talking strictly foreign policy. Fixing the economy or the health care system doesn't even make him eligible for the peace prize.

So all I've heard is withdraw from the middle east (which would effectively end the two wars). This is a good reason, but I'd like to see more than that.

I'd like to see an end to our occupation in Vietnam, and more talks with Korea. I'd also like to repair relations with Russia and see some progress towards compromise in Palestine. Finally, I'd like to see repaired relations with Cuba (obviously what we've been doing since the 60's--ignoring them--hasn't fixed the problem, so we should try something else). Between Korea, Russia, and Cuba, nuclear disarmament might actually happen.

Sudan and Somalia are also important situations to consider, but they're pretty low on my personal priority list.

definitely not yet... lets wait and see what he does, then we can decide

I understand the need to scratch an itch about something that you feel needs to be said, I was just hoping to turn the conversation into something still relevant since it had basically turned into several iterations of "no he didn't deserve it" or "he doesn't deserve it yet."

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I just think it's a little too soon, but I'm still happy for him (congrats mr president sir)... lol

This time next year, sure...

I read somewhere... "Wow, he got the noble peace prize for awesomeness", which is kinda how it seems at the moment, lol...

I don't recall anyone ever receiving awards before hand for future plans and incentives...

"And the prize goes to John Smith because, he's planning on one day possibly finding a cure for cancer"...

All the same, all the best to him, and hopefully he can do some amazing things and sock it to anyone who didn't think he deserved it...

*grin*




Afternote...

Wow, and all this time I thought Hydrogen was one of the MOST unstable (If not THE most unstable) element in our natural environment... Oh well, I guess I read too many science books, lol