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I dont think a women should be able to have an abortion unless her life is at risk. they made the *choice* pregnacy is the natural consiquence.

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Originally Posted by pada_pop101 (Post 1768034650)

I dont think a women should be able to have an abortion unless her life is at risk. they made the *choice* pregnacy is the natural consiquence.

Again, pregnancy is no more the "natural consequence" of sex than being injured is the "natural consequence" of driving. Is it a possibility? Sure. Is it exceptionally likely? No, and that likelihood drops way down if contraceptives are used. People should be aware of the possible consequences of any action, it's true, but only when it comes to abortion do people arbitrarily limit the ways in which the person involved can deal with said consequences. In short, they're not hurting you, and they're not hurting any other person (by any definition that's actually practical to use), so kindly STFU and GTFO (of my uterus). Also, I note that you do not include rape in your allowed abortion, yet you say "they made the choice". Does that mean you believe being the victim of rape is a choice?

Unless someone is purposly trying to have a child, it's not a choice to become pregnant. It is a choice to have sex, but not all sex leads to babies and not all unplanned pregnacies lead to abortions.
Also, her life may be at risk, not it the sense that she will die physically, but what about socially? Emotionally? Finacially? Or any other form or a life that we have?
Such as, in the workplace, a pregnant women has to take leave from work for labor and other problems that arise during pregnancy and after the baby is born they have a baby they need to look after instead of working, but, at the same time, she needs to work to pay for the baby. It's a cycle that can end up ruining a womens life.
Emotionally, there's a lot of problems with the unbalanced hormones that come with being pregnant. Many women experiance post partum depression once the baby is born and some end up killing their kids because of it.
You tell me, is a bunch of cells that doesn't have the ability to think or even know it's alive yet worth all that? Of course if you want the baby it would be, but if you don't, why should someone not have the ability to get rid of it?

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Originally Posted by kuroshinigami (Post 1768019500)

My, my, you make out pro-lifers to be very sexist. However, your generalized statement in this case is not true. I don't think of women as anything but people. I am well aware that they are not commodities. I believe they have rights, but I also believe the child has rights too, unalienable rights. Even if you claim that those rights are not honored and can't be used here, it doesn't mean that the child lacks them. If all humans have them, then why does this not extend to a child, even if is not yet born?

You cannot be both in favor of a woman's right to her body and pro-life. The two are incompatible. You either believe a woman has more of a right to her own body or the fetus has more of a right to her body. If it's the latter you are anti-woman because you believe the fetus is more important than the woman, her health, and her life.

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Originally Posted by cherry cocaine (Post 1768035927)

Thank you so much, Cherry :heart: I've tried explaining this concept to people who claim to be both pro-life and feminist. You simply cannot truly support the rights of a group if you deny them one of the most basic that they and everyone else is guaranteed. You might support other rights, but let's face it, even the most outspoken self-described "anti-feminists" support women having some rights.

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Originally Posted by pada_pop101 (Post 1768034650)

I dont think a women should be able to have an abortion unless her life is at risk. they made the *choice* pregnacy is the natural consiquence.

As Philomel said it's not a natural consequence anymore than injury to driving! Just because me and my boyfriend of 16 months decided to have sex, and the off chance happens that my birth control fails and our condom breaks, I'm forced to carry this fetus into term, when I'm only 19! What about people who are married that have sex, but aren't in a situation where they can support a child, should they be denied abortion?

Now don't get me wrong, there is a point where abortion in not an answer (ie, 'town bicycle') Everyone makes mistakes, thats how we learn. Continual mistakes of the same kind, ok, your bringing it upon yourself.

I'm not carrying nobodys fetus. I'm not getting pregnant. There are too many kids already out there that need homes. I'm more willing to take in two or three of them, then let some parasite infect my body for nine months (give or take) and then have to go through excruciating pain, and then have to care for it.

Personally speaking I'm a pro-choice person. I don't have a problem with abortion if that is what the woman feels is right. I myself couldn't go through with it, just the thought and the guilt I'd feel was something I couldn't live with.

I got pregnant really young, I was only just sixteen when I found out I was having a baby. When I first found out, abortion was a very real option for me. I was still young, still in school and had no means to support myself, let alone this new life inside of me.

I went about getting myself an appointment to get rid of my baby, thinking it was the best, but as soon as I got there I lost the nerve. I knew that no matter what, I could never go through with it and look at myself in the mirror again. What I thought I'd achive by getting rid of my baby I don't know, but I left the clinic still very much in the pregnant side of life.

As my pregnancy wore on I slowly got to terms with the fact that I was to become a teenage mum. Now looking back, I don't even know how I could have contemplated an abortion because Brogan was the best thing to ever happen to me and I can't imagine life without her now.

That being said I do understand that some women are not cut out to be mothers, or that their life is not in a suitable place to bring a baby into it, or even the circumstances in which they became pregnant was one that made them not love their child.

If women feel like that then I don't agree with them keeping their child and bringing it into a loveless family. In many ways abortions are kinder, they're just not a thing that I myself could ever go through with, regardless of my family situation.