@Tutela de Xaoc Oh my dear god, really? Please tell me this? Are you wanting a list of what everything is polluting the air? I thought the debate was about smoking but ok then. I'll try and follow you.

So fine, are you going to join the crowd that is trying to preserve the earth? The one that you live on? For me? I like my life. I like this planet. I think me and millions and millions of other people agree with me on that. But no, you cant get around from driving a car for the most part. You can get rid of every spieces of cows or whatever the hell animals that pollute the earth but that sure as hell wouldnt help either. I'm not stupid, I realize that.

So why not just try and get rid of the small things. Such as smoking that does nothing but cause problems. Such a small little thing that can be stopped. and instead of growing tobacco we can grow food to help the earth. Banning smoking might not be isn something that will help significantly but hell it would do at least somehting. Enough somethings add up to an accomplishment.

Haha, except....banning smoking completely...then gets rid of the major economy from the tobacco sales...thus making our country even more detrimental than it already is with an even more horrible economy....are you saying this would be healthy for us Americans?

No. Then you grow food in the tobaccos place. Believe it or not it would work better then you think.

No...no it wouldn't. Do you know how much produce goes to waste in supermarkets because people don't buy it in favor of cheaper more unhealthy processed foods? Yeah....cigarettes on the other hand are addictive so they will continue to be bought even by those that are no longer wanting to smoke them. Plus they are uber expensive....take cigarettes away completely you will have the "Whiskey Rebellion" all over again, and even if they are successful in banning it and enforcing it....the country will lose a LOT of economy.

It wouldn't necessarily be produce. And the economy would change back to normal as time goes, and be in better condition. But whatever.

All I said is of what is out there that's harmful to people's health, smoking is one of the easier ones to cut out of a life(again: it's not easy to quit but easier compare to the others). So I was just saying I understand where Kitty is coming from but I never said I think it should be completely banned.

I understand exactly what you are saying....I am an anarcho-primitivist. I do not believe in organization, I promote chaos. I promote survival of the fittest. I use technology because I have to in order to survive, however, I fully believe we would be better off without it. The world is not getting better, and growing more food in place of tobacco will not make that big of a change. More food would more likely go to waste and farmers would die because they would not be able to support themselves properly due to lack of sales. Technology is being used to mass produce unhealthy foods at low economic costs. Food that is grown (produce) would not even compete with what technology can create for humans to consume. I absolutely love natural grown foods, and love growing them myself....yet...I can't think of the last time that I actually had an entire meal that was completely natural....technology is truly an evil entity.

I would say Tutela has already covered this pretty well, wouldn't you say?
You can breathe fresh air at a bus stop. If someone is smoking too close to you, move over. Non-smokers have every right to not breathe in smoke; they also have the right to take care of their own lungs and move ten feet to the left if the smoke is bothering them.

Because prohibition works so successfully; nobody drinks anymore, right? And there are so few crimes related to drug trafficking, I'm sure that making it illegal won't cause any sort of backlash at all. You breathe in PLENTY of nasty shit that has nothing to do with cigarettes, so don't think your air will magically be pure without it.
Banning cigarettes indoors is one thing, but in an open area where you have plenty of room to move away and there's not exactly a lack of fresh air hardly makes any sense.


No, it's NOT the family's decision, and that is exactly how it should be. It's not their body, it's not their life, and it's not their choice to make. And no, the person does not need people constantly bothering them to quit; it won't happen unless the smoker properly wants to quit for themselves, not just to make their family happy.

After reading several posts from the last couple of pages. I would have to agree with Tutela de Xaoc.

You have to think about the economy and everything that affects when you try and ban smoking. Everything has a reaction, especially our economy. And it affects the rights of that person too. Also the economy doesn't get solved in one quick thing(forgot how to type out that sentence, it's late). Remember our whole debt is about 12 trillion dollars.

Being a smoker myself, I would simply just say move away if your not okay with the smoke. We're already outside and most public places have banned smoking inside. I would scream, "What more do you want?" Because a person can simply just move out of the way, instead of constant complaining about it. Do something about it, move your legs. Yes it affects my health, but it's my decision to smoke.
I think if someone knows the hazards to it, and accepts it, is okay to me.

And kitty's post reminds me of communists or the Holocaust. Your choosing of words make me think you want to force someone to quit/ban smoking. lol No offense.

I'm not arguing with anything of the above. It's pointless, smokers are always going to protect their precious tobacco, and their addiction obviously dominates others opinions. so you win. But I'll close with this.

The family should have a bloody damn right to show some worry and some damn concern if a family member is smoking. And no, it isnt the families decision, but there is nothing wrong with encouraging them to quit from time to time. I'm not saying constantly reminding them, that I must say would get annoying even for me. Obviously its their body and they have every right to do what they want with it. And you know, there's nothing wrong with trying to help them stop. Maybe they want to but is having a hard time. Family should be able to jump in and help and encourage changes. Another reason the family/friends should jump in? Well by the time the smoker quits himself, it wont be because he decided himself. It will be because cancer scared him/her away. The family has every damn right to enourage. Not bother constantly, but enourage the smoker to quit before it gets to that extreme.

To Fabby: You are not part of mine, or anyone's family but your own. You have no right to say what is right or wrong for a family that is not your own. People have their own beliefs and they should be able to say yes or no to a smoker being in their household. If their 16 year old kid starts smoking they have a right to take that nasty crap away from them. If someone already has health problems then they should be able to help make decisions. Once again, it is not you're opinion in another family that counts. its only your own in your family that counts. And what ever your beliefs are, I respect them, you should respect others as well.

hmm i live on the north carolina/ south carolina border.
i am a smoker.
or was until friday when i had my wisdom teeth removed.
but i don't mind the banning of smoking in public places because it is really US SMOKERS that are taking away the non-smokers choice of not smoking.
we are unintentionally letting our second hand smoke drift to their area of the restaurant, which is worse for them than actually smoking a cigarette.
plus i personally think it's gross to smoke inside. i don't do it.
only outside and in my car.

so i am all for banning of smoking in restaurants.
but i've also heard in some areas of the world they are banning smoking in your car and even your own home. and that i see as an invasion of privacy.

Kitty: That would probably work with someone who is scared of death. But with my opinions, death is just part of life. I already know the hazards and are comfortable with that. I've had people tell me that I need to quit or don't even look like a smoker, which is funny to me. The people who are close to me and know me well, tell me that too, but I already know. I'm not gonna be scared of cancer, it's my choice. They bother me from time to time about quitting, but it's seriously annoying as they try to "encourage," for me to quit. It's the persons decision, not the familys, they can state their opinion about it, but it will probably go to far.

mau5ie: Wow I do the same thing, except with work we smoke inside, but in the back. And I would hate the law if they start banning smoking in their car. That's where I smoke, just in my car. I also ask people whoever is in my car if their comfortable with my smoking. If they are, I simply smoke, and if their not then I don't smoke.

Well, so at this point I'm going to say, screw your health, and thats fine by me. But what family member is going to pay for your financial need when cancer hits? Hope you have the money. Its both a financial pain and mental pain. So yes, I do see why family member should get involved and bug you. While its your body, you're also a loved one to them.

Fuck really. I agree. If it isnt the persons own health, then its the smokers family that goes through hell when the cancer hits. You may not want people to bug you. And to be honest, I would stop caring after a while. and not out of sheer coldness. I just wouldn't want the stress of the finances. Not to mention the emotion that comes with everything when you find out a loved one is ill with a life threatening illness. You have to think in the mind set of the non-smoker. Why dont you try that for a moment?

I have been through that really, it really doesn't bug me. I wouldn't say out of coldness, but just from how I was raised really. Probably not everyone has a steady job, but there are programs to help cancer victims that can't afford it. That's off topic, but whenever someone needs help all you have to really do is look. If someone asks to be left alone, then leave them alone. It's their decision, which seems to be repeated throughout this topic. It's fine for people to be concern, but if they do say that "Leave me alone, I know," then back off.

I have been a non-smoker too, but people already have banned smoking in restaurants, which don't bother me. It's a building, and the air is vented throughout it over and over again.

Well thats just great that what you've been through doesn't bug you. That's your experience, you go girl. Like I said before, each family is different. Every family has a right to feel concern for their family members no matter what the situation is. People really need to respect that.

And in my opinion, I dont see why there should be any reason it should be banned from in a car, or at your home.

Yes, I see your point now Wolve. I respect and understand your opinion with familys concerns too. Just either forgot that type that out, or just raised differently.

I think I should look up where they would/already banned smoking from a house/car.

Eh, they are all different. And I do believe it would be a pain to hear it every day from people to stop. I actually do have a smoker in the family. We haven't really mentioned anything to her for a while. She tried to stop, but couldn't. If you were in my shoes, you of course would be worried, but indeed, what can you do. What I'm saying is that any family should have a damn good attempt to help out. Not fully control decisions, but just to help out. At some point you cant really do much more, because you've already done as much as you can.


I'd fully respect the ban of smoking in public, but I don't see any offense if it is at home or in a car, or at a rest stop even. Just as long as I don't have to breath it.

Ahh, yes. I remember the time someone in the family who smoked, ruined everything for him. He tried to quit, and my twin was rude about it. As in forcing him and bugging him every day, which I don't like. It reminds me of rehab, like celeb rehab, bad reference I know. But the person has to want to change, and commit, or else it'll all fall apart and such. He eventually quit, but from quitting he has gained weight, but that's really nothing serious. Also I have heard that your lungs take about 7 or more years to repair itself from smoking. I think that's the basis of the repair, 7 years. Other than that it usually depends on how long you have been smoking and such.

Oh and I'm looking up on the ban on smoking in cars. Their thinking of banning it where young people are in the car and such. Also california banned smoking in cars with young kids.

Yes, well. The reason it takes so long is because your lungs have been exposed to poison. The solution would have been not to begin smoking in the first place. Smoking is something you have to force yourself to like. You dont just try it and get addicted to it. Your lungs reject it, you start coughing. Its a good indication that its not natural for the body. And it shouldnt be natural for smoke to enter your body.

Where I live, smoking is already banned from adults smoking with kids in the car. Which I fully agree with. Kids shouldnt be exposed to that crap. Thats a good way to give the kid asthma when they grow up.

Yea, and when people get dizzy from smoking, also means that the poison is going to your head! Haha

Yea, and it causes them to get sick a lot. I dislike how people can smoke in front of children, especially if they smoke a lot. And they had all the windows locked and so the smoke was going everywhere, and I was also starting to get sick. After that I had got bronchitis, and never went over there ever again. They were just weird since seeing them smoke in the same room as the children was just disrespectful to me.

iHell I agree with that. If you're going to smoke, not in front of kids!

Oh yes and that reminds me, the amount you smoke in a day. I'm guessing about 5 or less a day, that it won't be as bad as people who smoke constantly. It just came to me, lol.

Oh, yes, not nearly as bad lol :)