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Well I'm certainly surprised. Obamanomics is working.

Makes me almost want to be fiscally liberal.

I've created a debate thread here http://www.menewsha.com/forum/commun...post1767032677 , and I'll ask a mod to move it :)

If I moved the global warming posts to the new thread, the old posts would show up before your intro post, so I don't really want to move them over there. If you'd still like me to do that, I can, but I just thought I'd let you know that it'd screw up the looks of the new thread if I moved them. Shoot me a PM if you still want me to move the posts and I'll be happy to do it for you. ;D

I am against Obama, for the fact he isn't the first black president, he is the first biracial president (white and black). I hate how people keep saying that. But he didn't even get sworn in properly and people think that is ok, he is going for a health care program that is going to screw things up for alot of people, he bailed out the banks again and again and the car makers for things they did and shouldn't be babied for because of their own stupidity. Those are all I can remember at the moment, I try not to pay too much attention to him because I always get pissed off everytime I hear him talk and what new stupid thing he wants for the not 'good' of the people.

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Originally Posted by Maiden of Unicorns (Post 1767050485)

I think "Black" is an indication of his skin colour, which means he IS the first black president. "Black" is not a race, so from all perspectives we should agree that his skin colour does denote what we refer too as "Black".

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Originally Posted by Inertia (Post 1767092904)

Agree'd.

What's a pro-death president?

Is that like Bush when he started two wars?

Yes, I too am very curious as to what you mean by pro death?

@Keyori and aoi midori

She's talking about the "Death Panels":roll:, and maybe about him being pro-choice.

Pro-choice isn't pro-death any more than being pro-breakfast or pro-antibiotics :roll:

Well put Keyori :lol:

I like Obama. I support him and I'd vote for him again. As for people who say he has done NOTHING in his short time in office, I felt I needed to post this. I did not write it; but I do love that someone else did.

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In his first week in office, Barack Obama did the following:

* Froze the salaries for top White House staff members. This is a largely symbolic act, but might be an important one.

* Set a deadline for the closing of Guantanamo Bay. Some of his supporters would say this is a great thing because they believe it operates as something from the Dark Ages. Others believe this characterization to not be true, and that no plan will be put place to determine what to do with the prisoners. Time will tell.

* Fast-tracked the process to apply new fuel standards to 2011 car models AND initiated steps to allow California to set its own standards for auto emissions that are stricter than that of the Federal government. Again, this is a measure that some of his supporters hail as a grand step forward, while his detractors (or flamers) point out that it could provide an additional severe drag on the economy, especially in car manufacturing areas.

* Signed a detailed executive order to ban torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners.

* Asked the military leadership to engage in additional planning necessary to execute a responsible military draw down from Iraq.

* Released the interrogation memos without consulting the Bush staff and/or Bush about it. And they were only partially released some of the information in the memos were not made public.

* Signed an executive order that restored a 30-day time frame for former presidents to review records before they are released. It also eliminated the right for the vice president or family members of former presidents to do the reviews.

* Signed an executive order that requires that appointees sign forms saying that they were not hired because of political affiliations or contributions. This is far from an unbeatable measure, but is an important early step towards cleaning up governmental hiring policies. It is easier to prove someone lied when their signature is right next to the statement in question.

* Signed an order banning gifts from lobbyists and banning anyone from working in an agency they had lobbied in previous years. Promptly made the order toothless by immediately granting a waiver to a former defense lobbyist.

* Lifted a ban on giving federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide abortion information.

* Granted his first TV interview as president to Al-Arabiya, a channel described as a "voice of moderation" to the Middle East. His supporters call this a very smart move to help angered nations and groups feel a bit less cast aside, and let them know that they need not resort to violence to be made a part of the world discussion. Detractors point out that this is the type of thing Neville Chamberlain would have done, though a TV interview and "the Munch Agreement" are leagues apart.

In his first 7 months in office

* He's done quite a lot actually.

* He has so far passed an economic recovery bill which has met mixed criticism but is slowly progressing. He has passed the AMD Stabilization and Support bill which was tailored to help stabilize and strengthen the United States Military, and has shown improvement within the standard. President Obama has also been working on other proposals, bills, and acts to be passed on topics such as Health Care reform, Education, the Mortgage crisis, the war on Al-Qaeda, and Domestic policy.

* Promised to send additional troops to Afghanistan in March and began the pullout of troops in Iraq.

* Passed the bailout of the auto industry and pressured their management to tow the party line.

* Waffled on sending troops and allowed those serving no suffer from lack of support. (If you had to send 30,000 Americans to a war zone I bet you would hesitate unless I realized lives were at stake and I was in charge)

* Refused to allow open meetings regarding health care reform as promised.

* Passed more tax increases on middle America than any other President.

* Encouraged Cap and trade passage to encourage clean energy while giving American's tax credits to make up for higher costs.

* Promised to make tough decisions regarding the ability to continue paying medicare payments. Cutting $400 billion from their budget.

* Allowed stem cell research

First Year:

>Sent troops to Afghanistan but pulled troops out of major cities in Iraq. (Part of exit strategy)

> Made a more transparent form of Government (almost daily daily Facebook Q&A's with his staff) and makes a list of every person who comes to the white house.

>Tried several times to get the Republicans to join him and get bi-partizanship on the destruction of democracy. Republicans did not wish to contribute!

> Passed a stimulus package that has provided 288 billion dollars in tax cuts, increased funds to education and health care by 224 billion, and making 275 billion available for student grants and loans. (This bill was not directed towards jobs.)
>Well on his way to passing the HC bill which will provide health care to people without bankrupting them. (60% of bankruptcies in 2007 were due to health care and 80% had health insurance). It will crack down on the most profitable unjust system in America which eats up 20% of our economic activity, and will bring down costs which will lengthen the life of social security so more people can receive their entitlements. (If anyone says otherwise, they have been manipulated by those who have been manipulated by the most crooked industry ever known).

>Managed to have the two worst months for deficit spending ever. (The two Feb.s he has been President) This was due to the loss revenue in taxes.

>Has invested more money than any other president into science and technology to rid us of foreign oil and to help boost the exports our country is in DIRE need of. (9 trillion dollar trade deficit over the past 25 years)

I'm for him. I like the idea of the health care bill, because I'm poor as fuck and have medical conditions.

To all who are saying he lied - He's a damn politician. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?

I kind of like obama but think he is gonna get murdered. go to You Tube Obama songs. they made songs about him my favorite is the all of the single ladies.
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IT IS REALLY FUNNY I'M LISTENING TO IT NOW.

What makes you think he'll be murdered? This isn't the age of JFK; he rides around in an armored car, not an open-air motorcade.

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Originally Posted by Inertia (Post 1767092904)

What "race" do you consider the majority of "black" people in America to be?

I personally like Obama and am very glad he passed the healthcare legislation. What I do not like, however, is the fact that he's so concerned with getting the right/conservatives to agree with his proposals. Yes, it would be nice if everyone could get along but lots of people are just going to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. The conservatives are rarely concerned about getting everyone to agree, and liberals shouldn't be either.

I dislike Obama(Osama). Being Native American and concerned about the Gulf Of Mexico. He isn't doing enough to clean it up and allowing BP to play games. As for the Health plan it's one step to Communism. Other than that he is still a human being and Political joke. If he wants to pull us out of situation we are in put everyone to work by fixing our highways,greening/improving our electric grid,cleaning the air,rebuilding our parks/forests,and cleaning up the Gulf. Putting people to work should be his priority and then showing his health reforms by giving people a choice. Mother Earth should be top on the list.

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Originally Posted by Kasumi (Post 1767636923)

Obama(Osama).

What? Can you explain what this means to me? I am confused at what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by Keyori (Post 1767637062)

What? Can you explain what this means to me? I am confused at what you are talking about.

It's what I call him. Kinda like the Bush and Billary Clinton Jokes.:P

I personally find that to be a rather offensive joke, and I'm not even American. Referring to a respected world leader - winner of a Nobel Peace Prize, no less - by a name that connotes connection to the leader of an extremist group which has caused countless deaths...

Ugh.

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Originally Posted by Kasumi (Post 1767636923)

I dislike Obama(Osama).

Oh yes, because obviously we can accurately judge a person's character by how similar her name is to someone else's.

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Being Native American and concerned about the Gulf Of Mexico.

...What the hell does you being "Native American" (What nation, exactly? There's a fair few of us who are native to the Americas, so that label tells me nothing) have to do with you being concerned about the oil spill? American Indians are not "connected to the land" or anything silly like that, they're humans. Suggesting otherwise perpetuates a ridiculous racist stereotype, one that's made a certain Mr. Cameron very wealthy as of late, but a stereotype nevertheless.

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He isn't doing enough to clean it up and allowing BP to play games.

And what *exactly* would you be doing were you president? Keep in mind that you have no magic powers and no time machine.

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As for the Health plan it's one step to Communism.

Just like Social Security and the postal service. Also, your definition of Communism fails, big time. ALSO, if it were anything like Communism, why is that such a horrible thing?

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Other than that he is still a human being and Political joke. If he wants to pull us out of situation we are in put everyone to work by fixing our highways,greening/improving our electric grid,cleaning the air,rebuilding our parks/forests,and cleaning up the Gulf. Putting people to work should be his priority and then showing his health reforms by giving people a choice. Mother Earth should be top on the list.

And he would have absolutely no support. We do not live in a dictatorship. He cannot do much of anything on his own, and every attempt at doing what you suggest has been blocked by Conservative Republicans, either through their votes or through their propaganda.

Also, the health insurance thing does give people a choice. They can choose the much cheaper government-run health insurance, or they can choose one of the dozens of private insurers. People are required to have car insurance, this would be no different.

On the subject of health reforms, I live in the UK, where we have a comprehensive, nationalised health service, and have done since 1948. Without mincing words, it's great. People who can afford it or those who want to skip waiting lists can go private. The vast majority who cannot afford such have a safety net.

"Death panels..." isn't that that rumour Palin started up on her Facebook?

:headdesk:

I think it originally started with a complete misunderstanding of a provision that rewarded providers for helping their elderly patients prepare for end-of-life services (wills, DNR orders if that was their wish, and so on). Palin just ran with it, and then extended it to babies and all sorts of weird stuff.

Ahhh, I see. Excuse me for LOLing heartily XD

Ppffffff, "Death Panels..." :rofl: What kind of country do people think they're living in?!