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jehneefur 04-16-2010 05:24 AM

World Trade Centers Collapse on 9/11: Terrorist Attack or Conspiracy?
 
Warning: There's some sensitive language in the following video.


What do you believe?
Was this a terrorist attack by the al'qaeda? Was it a government move to create order out of chaos?
How did the World Trade Center Building 7 Collapse without even being hit by a plane?
Is this incident similar to that of the Gulf of Tonkin which started the Vietnam War?
Should the United States still be at war right now?

Feel free in letting out a nice thought-vomit below!

una 04-16-2010 09:10 AM

I believe it was terrorist attack. It wouldn't make any sense for America to blindly attack the Afghanistan without any sort of gain.

Keyori 04-16-2010 01:16 PM

The US is still at war. In two different places right now.

Una: The hijackers were from Saudi Arabia (except four, who were from Egypt, Lebanon, and UAE). Why would we attack Afghanistan? And then Iraq? Hint: It starts with Kuwait and ends with oil profit. (Bush's dad did fight the Gulf War after all)

Now, I'm certainly not alleging that the US planned this attack on its own people for corporate profit; I'm merely suggesting that it used this crisis to further other agendas. None of the terrorists were from Afghanistan, and Bin Laden isn't even there, but we've spent almost 9 years pissing around there for what?

Inertia 04-16-2010 02:27 PM

It's very difficult to discern exactly what happened, but I'm certain that the official explanation is immensely flawed.

Expert opinions are more or less useless as no one has demolished a building of that size and structure in all human history, but as this cracked.com article points out it'd take at least 10,000 demolition devices to take down that building and that many devices are impossible to hide, however the idea that it was taken down by jet fuel that, as this documentary makes clear, wasn't even burning at high temperatures or even visible from the outside is equally ridiculous, but then I ask what the hell did happen that day?

And my answer is that I have no idea....

Lixlaria 04-16-2010 04:46 PM

I am not going to say that the US planed an attack on it's own people. I don't believe that they did. I do however beleive that they knew about it to an extent and did nothing to prevent it. That both buildings colapsed as they did is odd, even when being hit with planes. The other buildings fell but nothing hit them at all, why? I don't think that it was wrong to go after Bin Laden, but we are going on 9 years with next to no results, imo. I believe that the attack was all AlQaeda, but I am not sure that the government did anything to prevent it.

Tutela de Xaoc 04-16-2010 05:25 PM

Just because I feel like being a complete and utter conspiracy theorist right now for the fun of it....what if the towers falling down had no terrorist or political intentions at all? What if it was based on a hidden cult devoted to making sure all of Nostradamus' predictions became true? ;)

jehneefur 04-16-2010 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tutela de Xaoc (Post 1767073285)
What if it was based on a hidden cult devoted to making sure all of Nostradamus' predictions became true? ;)

LOL!



I don't trust the government :) Politics are always dirty.

Inertia 04-16-2010 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tutela de Xaoc (Post 1767073285)
Just because I feel like being a complete and utter conspiracy theorist right now for the fun of it....what if the towers falling down had no terrorist or political intentions at all? What if it was based on a hidden cult devoted to making sure all of Nostradamus' predictions became true? ;)

That has to be the awesomest idea ever!

Probably the closest to the truth we'll get... *sigh*

Philomel 04-16-2010 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tutela de Xaoc (Post 1767073285)
Just because I feel like being a complete and utter conspiracy theorist right now for the fun of it....what if the towers falling down had no terrorist or political intentions at all? What if it was based on a hidden cult devoted to making sure all of Nostradamus' predictions became true? ;)

Maybe, provided they're the same cult that started that chain email ;P

While I don't doubt that the US government would attack a domestic target under the guise of a terrorist attack to further a political goal (they've considered doing such at least once before), and they most definitely benefited from it, I really doubt that's the case with 9/11. That's not to say they aren't partially at fault; I do believe that there were some major lapses in security that allowed it to happen, and the obvious covering-up that they've done is pretty much the worst way they could have possibly handled it - good enough job that we'll never know the entire truth and can only speculate, bad enough job that it's blatant.

Claudia 04-16-2010 10:46 PM

I never thought it was being questioned that this was a terrorist attack.

Inertia 04-16-2010 10:57 PM

Well Claudia, the theories vary from....

1. The government did it.
2. Osama did it, but he works for the government.
3. Osama did it, but the government pretended that it wasn't going to happen.
4. The Nostradamus crew done it (as proposed above).

And it doesn't get pretty from there...

una 04-16-2010 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Keyori (Post 1767072596)
The US is still at war. In two different places right now.

Una: The hijackers were from Saudi Arabia (except four, who were from Egypt, Lebanon, and UAE). Why would we attack Afghanistan? And then Iraq? Hint: It starts with Kuwait and ends with oil profit. (Bush's dad did fight the Gulf War after all)

Now, I'm certainly not alleging that the US planned this attack on its own people for corporate profit; I'm merely suggesting that it used this crisis to further other agendas. None of the terrorists were from Afghanistan, and Bin Laden isn't even there, but we've spent almost 9 years pissing around there for what?

Iraq has oil. Afghanistan has nothing. My point is that I don't think the American goverment would choose to blow up the world trade centre in order to hijack Afghanistan's promegranate trade.

Tutela de Xaoc 04-16-2010 11:36 PM

I'm happy to see that my random conspiracy theory attitude actually caught fire in this thread :D. Woohoo ^_^. I was so not expecting that to be the case haha.

CiaoPinkZebra 04-16-2010 11:46 PM

I love a good conspiracy theory! But seriously, this one is just major nonsense. It happened. People died. It was anti-American terrorist. It's such a touchy subject, so I give you MAJOR props for being brave enough to post this! ^^

jehneefur 04-17-2010 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CiaoPinkZebra (Post 1767075434)
It's such a touchy subject, so I give you MAJOR props for being brave enough to post this! ^^

Props! Yay :boogie:

I don't think courage is much of a factor- this is a debate forum after all ;p
I just don't believe everything and anything on the news. Especially now a days.

CiaoPinkZebra 04-17-2010 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jehneefur (Post 1767075739)
Props! Yay :boogie:

I don't think courage is much of a factor- this is a debate forum after all ;p
I just don't believe everything and anything on the news. Especially now a days.

Hmm you have a valid point. You're a mild conspiracy theorist alright! At least you're not one of the obnoxious "IM RIGHT NAOW SHUTTUP N00B" type 83


But really, I would be a little hesitant... so you get your props well earned xD

Keyori 04-17-2010 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by una (Post 1767075250)
Iraq has oil. Afghanistan has nothing. My point is that I don't think the American goverment would choose to blow up the world trade centre in order to hijack Afghanistan's promegranate trade.

And my point is that none of the terrorists were from Afghanistan, nor is Bin Laden there. So why are we there, other than to keep a stronghold in the Middle East?

una 04-17-2010 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Keyori (Post 1767077324)
And my point is that none of the terrorists were from Afghanistan, nor is Bin Laden there. So why are we there, other than to keep a stronghold in the Middle East?

There is a history between Al-Qaeda and Afghanistan. The terrorists are not native Afghans but they were apart of Al-Qaeda. Bin Laden wasn't a native Afghan but him and the other leaders of the Al-Qaeda were in Afghanistan prior the time of the bombings- we know this because the Taliban who were in power at the time made Bin Laden and co official citzens of Afghanistan. They probably scarpered a long time ago leaving the army to deal with what is left of the taliban.
I believe there is truth in what you say, I just don't think it is the only reason why the goverment went there in light of the politics surrounding the country and Al-Queda. I'm not trying to justify the war in anyway so please don't eat me over that :boogie:

CiaoPinkZebra 04-17-2010 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by una (Post 1767077963)
There is a history between Al-Qaeda and Afghanistan. The terrorists are not native Afghans but they were apart of Al-Qaeda. Bin Laden wasn't a native Afghan but him and the other leaders of the Al-Qaeda were in Afghanistan prior the time of the bombings- we know this because the Taliban who were in power at the time made Bin Laden and co official citzens of Afghanistan. They probably scarpered a long time ago leaving the army to deal with what is left of the taliban.
I believe there is truth in what you say, I just don't think it is the only reason why the goverment went there in light of the politics surrounding the country and Al-Queda. I'm not trying to justify the war in anyway so please don't eat me over that :boogie:

Plus the US has valid evidence and claims that they have HQs there and that Bin Laden is hiding there.

Inertia 04-17-2010 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CiaoPinkZebra (Post 1767079454)
Plus the US has valid evidence and claims that they have HQs there and that Bin Laden is hiding there.

Killing off hundreds of thousands of civilians and completely disposing of a government because you think there are bad people inside that country doesn't sound very fair to me.

CiaoPinkZebra 04-17-2010 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Inertia (Post 1767079626)
Killing off hundreds of thousands of civilians and completely disposing of a government because you think there are bad people inside that country doesn't sound very fair to me.

Its better than killing off even more innocents just because we didn't do anything. And think of the millions we are saving because we decided to take action and attempt to help the Middle East? If you haven't noticed, we've helped to change governments from tyrannical, and controlling to a people-ruled ones. It's a major change for the good.

Tutela de Xaoc 04-17-2010 09:13 PM

@Ciao Pink Zebra: In your Western World Opinion?

CiaoPinkZebra 04-17-2010 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tutela de Xaoc (Post 1767079735)
@Ciao Pink Zebra: In your Western World Opinion?

Also from the news and research I had to do for Social Science class ... *brain hurts from it*;_;

Inertia 04-17-2010 09:15 PM

So War saves lives instead of perpetually taking them.

This is new to me.

CiaoPinkZebra 04-17-2010 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inertia (Post 1767079750)
So War saves lives instead of perpetually taking them.

This is new to me.

In the long run.


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