if someone has both parts what is their chromosome type? is it like YY chromosomes or something? and if those people are damned to hell thatll just be freaking wrong since its not like its their fault or anything

I don't feel like they should be damned... they were born the way they way they were and had no choice in the matter. We should all just respect and love one another... I believe in the Hindi faith people born with both genders present are asked to dance in temples in order to sanctify the place... I'm pretty sure even some of their gods have 2 genders. (Please do correct me if I'm wrong)

anyway... My opinion is that people are people are people. You shouldn't be cursed or ostracized (sp?) because of how you were born.

I have a friend. She's female, but was born as a male. All her life she thought she was transgendered, until she realized that she was just mixed. She was born with both private parts and after she took hormone pills, now developed breasts. It'd tear her apart to be called gay....she doesn't look gay to me, I view her as a woman first and foremost.

I honestly do not care for extreme fundamentalist Christian views, we aren't going to hell...they are...for doing everything their Bible says NOT to.

Intersexuality is a medical condition...these people are born at the least with XXY chromosomes...I don't believe that someone's birth anatomy is a premise for damnation or otherwise.

I know somoene who is intersex...he has Kleinfelter's so his chromosomes are XXY. His parents raised him as a male and he became fully male at 13 and he LOOKS male. I am not sure how I feel about parents picking thier intersex child's gender and I think it's really case specific.

There is a saying that "God makes no mistakes" which people will toss around in an argument AGAINST transgendered and transexual people but I believe in the exact OPPOSITE. I don't believe it to be a mistake at all ;)

I have not been given any valid reason to believe that the Bible, God, or Christianity (cannot speak for other religious things which I have not studied or lived in) ever condemns people based on their sex, sexuality, or gender identity. This is certainly no exception.

The only real thing that I think they would have a problem with is the "Male or Female" questions on a lot of different things. Even if its rare I kinda feel like there should be a third category for Hermaphrodites.

Hermaphrodite is actually an offensive term for someone who's intersex.

I think "Other" would be sufficient.

Yes, they are intersex.

I do not believe intersex people should be automatically put in the gay or lesbian category unless they in fact are gay or a lesbian.

Someone in my family was born intersex. She was born with no female "opening" (excuse me for my 5th grade explanation) and was born with testes that did not drop as they should while a baby is developing. My family member was named a girl name and later in life received a surgery so that she could have a vagina. She took female hormones as well.
She was lucky. I say this because my family decided which sex she would be for her, they didn't wait to see who she would decided to be. As it turns out, picking female was correct as she has lived her life as a women, went on to be married, and her and her 1st husband adopted a daughter. To kinda give an idea of her age, my family member was born in the late 50s. So you can imagine how things were dealt with were much different than now.

I don't believe that they are damned people. The were born the way they were born and it is only because some people can be needlessly cruel that cause intersex people a problem. As long as people are not born all the same there will be people that will cause problems for other and that is beyond sad.

I am a Christian, I have taken the Lord Jesus Christ as my savior. I believe that He is the one true judge and I am meant to love His children, all kinds as He does. When we die, He will sort us out, and no one else. I continue not to judge, to learn, and to love and if others did that, then it wouldn't matter how any of us were born. After all, we are created in God's image.

I wish I knew more people like you. I've been judged on so many levels because of who I love and also because of my disabilities...yes...I have been told I'm disabled because of some grave sin I have yet to repent.

I'm glad your aunt is doing well and is happy! What makes a person their gender is not what is or is not between their legs :)

I agree. She is a woman and who am I or anyone to tell her she is not because of what she was born with or without? I am just glad that what was chosen for her was who she was. So many intersex children that were born around her time were made with what the parents wanted or which ever organ was better developed. Now, I know some countries are waiting to see what the child developes as before doing their corrective surgery.

I feel it's not my place to judge anyone, it is only God's. There are people that would say I do not need to exsist because of the color of my skin, or more so the fact that I am a mixture of 2 races. I am allowed to exsist by God, I was born, loved, raised. As a human being that has trouble with saying who is allowed to exsist I have a problem with the people that think I should not either, but still, they are entitled to their own opinions as misguided as they may be.

Clair is Christian, and proud of it. Her opinion on this: human genetics can be a mess. I think it counts for all sorts of things. Perhaps the bible doesn't mention these people the way we would know what we were looking at. People have had down syndrome for thousands of years, and during the times of the bible, they couldn't understand why some people were born with down syndrome, or two genders, etc. They just couldn't explain it, so they considered it infested by demons. I personally think it's just one of those things that happens because of genetics getting messed up.

I also don't disagree with those who are homosexual or bisexual. I don't see it as evil or disgusting. I have several friends who are homosexual/bi, and I would fight tooth and nail to protect them. I would NEVER tell them that they were wrong in being gay or bi. My belief is God made them that way, that there is a purpose to their life, just as there is to my life. I won't judge anyone for something so small.

The only reason God is referred to as "He" is because it's grammatically correct to use masculine when a person/creature's gender is not specified.

It is equally grammatically correct to use "she." The only reason "He" and "Father" are used is because of the west's patriarchal roots. It was more about the dominance of man and his ability to own women (who were of lesser value, but barely worth more than slaves) that "He" was preferred over "She." Women were not considered as "complete" as men; and their very existence was viewed as dependent on men (see: Adam and Eve). This effect is still seen in the Catholic church, which still denies positions in clergy to people (women) based on gender.

Other reasons men were considered superior included a popular misconception about reproduction. In biblical times, people didn't understand that women were more than simply incubators. However, they didn't rightly have microscopes, and had no idea that women had eggs. All they saw were semen from men; this seed was considered the essence of life (which is why male masturbation is expressly prohibited in the bible, but not female masturbation). Granted, this point of view is extremely ignorant today, now that we have a significantly better understanding of reproduction.

So really, it has less to do with "grammar" and more to do with history and tradition.

Kleine does make a point though: the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is commonly referenced as justification against homosexuality, because the people try to rape the angels; but if the angels have no gender, how can that possibly be homosexualty?

I digress. I think I'm bordering off-topic at this point. :lol:

Gays aren't going to hell, straight people are. And people born with both genders are the messiah. xD

XD and Thoth is the preacher!

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I've got a question for you: Is there a gender neutral option to he/she, hers/his etc. ??

There is one in my language (though of course made up in the later years) it's widely used inbetween the LGBT community even though not so often in other occasions. I have gotten used to use it a lot and think it's hard to write without it sometimes. So it would help if there was one in english.

(So sorry for the off-topic >.<)

I don't believe God has a gender but I say He so that people know who I'm talking about lol

English there really isn't one. "They" is becoming more acceptable as a singular pronoun just because there really isn't a gender binary anymore and saying he/she over and over is redundant. However some people in the LGBT community use "sie" instead of saying "his" or "her" when referring to someone who is third gender or androgynous.

In "proper" English, there's no gender-neutral pronouns. In slang or casual use though, the cases that Reine mentioned apply.

I'm actually beginning to see it in grammar books though...even on the collegiate level.

Hmm, I haven't seen it recently. Though, it's been a while since I've been in a "grammar" class... plus I'm at an engineering school, so math is more valued than literacy. If that's true though, good for us!

I don't think fays are going to hell, I see that as a close-minded opinion of some.

If someone is born with both genders, born gay, that is as much to do with the nature-made body and the god-made soul.

So no, hermaphrodites are not going to hell just for that.

Too bad more is not known about intersex people. There is a term for people who have both and it is intersex.

I think the whole idea, and science behind people who are hemaphrodites is really fascinating. They are proof that homosexuality can occur naturally in nature in my opinion. Churches completely turn a blind eye to so many issues that are just as plain to see that some of the dogmatic principles in the Bible are flawed.

QUOTE=TheYaoiButterfly;1767802687]I've never read the bible all the way through...but I don't ever remember a passage saying that all men are going to hell. Can someone explain this to me? I didn't think that the "who is going to hell" list included all men.[/QUOTE]

basically the ppl who are going to hell are ppl who know they have sin but havent asked to be forgiving..

Please point to relevant passages.