Do you believe Aliens influenced Man when he built Machu Pichu,Mayan Pyramids,Mesa Verde,Stonehenge,Nasca Lines,Sites in India,Egyptian Pyramids,The Mounds in Missouri,Illinios,&Ohio,Kachina Dolls,The wierd Japanese Dolls that have enlarged heads,and The Statues on Easter Island? What do you think of the Petroglyphs that show star maps of systems(Sirius A,B,and C) that right now are only visible by a large telescope or Hubble? What do you think about the Mayan writings showing men and women wearing pressure suits and breathing gear?

I believe that once upon a time, humans were a lot smarter than we are now. So no, I don't think Aliens ever came to Earth and taught us anything. I think we just forgot how brilliant we once were.
Now, I'm not saying that aliens don't exist. But I can't help but be a little skeptic until I see one.
This is all my personal thinking though...

You could be right but how do you explain the drawings?

There was a good documentary on a few months back about the topic of Alien's though-out earth's history. One of the example is used was a report from Christopher Columbus while he was on route to the America's. At one point during the jury they apparently spotted a strange light under water that followed them. The light trailed them as they sailed for a while before taking off and vanishing into the sky.

Thats just the example i remember for the documentary, but it was very interesting

I've seen that one too. It was about UFOs that either took off or landed in the Waters around the Bermuda Triangle and Bimini.

I'm really wish-washy about aliens helping us in ancient times. Sure some things seem a bit too hard for people back then to make but when I was watching this one documentary on Greek gods and demigods being related to aliens, I was laughing a bit because I couldn't believe some of the theories they were stating. So yeah some of it can be pretty logical and understandable while other sources are...not so much. XD

Was it on the History Channel?

Yeah it was! When my brother in law and sister were visiting my brother was watching that and I just walked in at the time and starting watching it too in the middle of it. XD

Cool. I wonder if the Gods were humans using Alien Technology or in actuality children born from the union of Alien and Human?

I think that screaming "ALIEEENNSSSSSS" at these wonders of the world is doing a severe discredit to the people who spent decades upon decades building them.

I mean, think of it this way. Nobody looks at a scyscraper and thinks that aliens gave the plans to the architects, or had a hand in building it. The humans of times gone by were no less intelligent than we are now. A lot of the monuments you've mentioned, such as the pyramids, were build on blood, sweat, toil and slave labour. Nothing more or less.

Some societies, such as the Mayans, were incredibly advanced - possily even more advanced than we are now in certain respects. But again, saying that aliens had a hand in passing this knowledge to them is doing them a discredit. It's just human ingenuity. Anything the human mind is capable of now, it was capable of then, and potentially more.

Originally Posted by Lorika

I think that screaming "ALIEEENNSSSSSS" at these wonders of the world is doing a severe discredit to the people who spent decades upon decades building them.

I mean, think of it this way. Nobody looks at a scyscraper and thinks that aliens gave the plans to the architects, or had a hand in building it. The humans of times gone by were no less intelligent than we are now. A lot of the monuments you've mentioned, such as the pyramids, were build on blood, sweat, toil and slave labour. Nothing more or less.

Some societies, such as the Mayans, were incredibly advanced - possily even more advanced than we are now in certain respects. But again, saying that aliens had a hand in passing this knowledge to them is doing them a discredit. It's just human ingenuity. Anything the human mind is capable of now, it was capable of then, and potentially more.

I'm not screaming Aliens. However you failed to mention or even acknowledge the thought that they could of been visited by such people and traded with them.The ruins could of been made to make Earth similiar to there home or a means of communication. Nor did you even say anything about the star maps made by Ancient Man. Even the Bible mentions non Devil and non Angelic Beings. So what are they? In one book it mentions a flaming wheel(could be a meteor,a craft from another star or even a place on Earth) who knows. Unless you were there. what you say is from what was written by European/American scholars that believe or go by what was taught by others that were screened by the Church to say we are alone in this Universe. I believe there is more and once we find out we will grow as a race.

In accordance to your question about the art... Simple. Imaginations!

Originally Posted by Syraannabelle

In accordance to your question about the art... Simple. Imaginations!

You have a point but inspired by what? They or someone must of seen what is drawn.

I'm not in my right mind to go into it in detail but I will mention the Summerians back in ancient times how they worked with the Annunaki who were considered and possibly were aliens. I will let someone else who is more versed in this knowledge than myself to continue this discussion.

Originally Posted by Stardragon

I'm not screaming Aliens. However you failed to mention or even acknowledge the thought that they could of been visited by such people and traded with them.

In response to this, I re-quote my original statement:

Originally Posted by Lorika

Nobody looks at a scyscraper and thinks that aliens gave the plans to the architects, or had a hand in building it.

Originally Posted by Stardragon

Nor did you even say anything about the star maps made by Ancient Man.

You're right, I didn't. I don't know enough about that area to make a judgement. Perhaps it would be helpful if you could link me to some sources, so that I can read up on the things you know about and then comment myself.

Originally Posted by Stardragon

Even the Bible mentions non Devil and non Angelic Beings. So what are they? In one book it mentions a flaming wheel(could be a meteor,a craft from another star or even a place on Earth) who knows. Unless you were there.

There is a LOT of symbolism in the scriptures. Are you referring to the Old Testament of the New Testament? If you could quote the exact lines to me, I might be able to make an interpretation or judgement myself. However, I think that a "flaming wheel" is more likely to be a spiritual symbol than a place or an object.

Originally Posted by Stardragon

what you say is from what was written by European/American scholars that believe or go by what was taught by others that were screened by the Church to say we are alone in this Universe. I believe there is more and once we find out we will grow as a race.

Uh... what? :? You're putting words in my mouth. I never stated that aliens don't exist. In fact, I believe that they do. If you're going to criticise me for taking a scholarly standpoint, I could just as easily criticise you for taking a hokey conspiracy theorist angle.

I believe that there are things in this world that cannot be explained through examination of known facts alone, but most of what you've been describing has a basis in human intelligence. (How ironic.)

I've seen several shows on the television about aliens being accountable for ancient architectural and technological feats. While I can imagine UFO sightings like the ones that occur often now, I don't buy aliens representing deities or teaching humans how to do anything.

Humans have a fascination with the sky. But this does not stem from otherworldly visitors. The sky is huge. At night, back in those days, there was not the same level of light pollution as there is now. If you have ever been to the wilderness, it is difficult not to look at the sky and feel baffled and awed by its immensity and the brightness of the moon and stars. It's not that there are aliens influencing ancient peoples, but that they didn't have the technology to understand why to plant crops when you do. But they used what they could work with, which was certainly good enough, and admirable enough. Humans navigated by the stars. They planted according to the position of heavenly bodies and the sun. They understood that sun was necessary... The clouds in the sky gave them rain. Deities and angels are associated with the heavens in the same manner that they are associated with fire and water... They had to have a reason for the presence of everything in the world that they saw, not just a select amount of things. The sky just happens to be the biggest thing, apart from the ocean. And it's above us. It's hard not to look at it.

Secondly, technological, artistic, and architectural feats were being accomplished by peoples and civilizations at every corner of the globe. Humans are smart. To say every single thing that we could do was a direct result of being taught by aliens is a stretch. A huge stretch. You can't just say one thing was related and then dismiss another as not being related... Because honestly, every aspect of every society is impressive in itself, and I would hesitate to try and rate those accomplishments on a scale of "smart, but human smart" to "smart, but alien smart". It would not be fair nor accurate.

As far as art is concerned, some drawings may be real. Some may not be real. Additionally, I would tend to agree with Syraannabelle. Humans have quite the imagination. Think of all the books and stories and movies we create now, from our own thoughts. In those days, they would have to be even better at storytelling, for lack of anything better to do! And, maybe they did have the odd UFO sighting, like we did. I would not speculate that they knew any more about it than we do now. There is simply not enough evidence to suggest otherwise.

I like making life as exciting as possible, but not to the point of believing in something based on a chaotic assortment of "clues". You are not giving your human race enough credit where credit it is due.

Originally Posted by ContessaLeandra

You are not giving your human race enough credit where credit it is due.

THANK YOU, LEANDRA <3 Very well said!!

On the subject of art - Stardragon, have you ever been in a museum?

I was recently in the Ashmolean museum, and they have an EXPANSIVE collection of classical art, egyptian art and artefacts, etc. I was absolutely bowled over by the the Greek and Roman sculptures. They were life-sized, or larger than life, PERFECTLY anatomically correct (you could see every muscle and sinew...!), perfectly posed but natural, relaxed but powerful and masculine... then there were smaller sculptures, beautiful and intricate, the kind of things you'd buy today from catalogues, EXCEPT THEY WERE MAKING THEM A MILLENIUM AGO, without our knowledge or our tools. Not just Roman and Egyptian, but Chinese, Japanese, European... then there were paintings, don't even get me started on those. Just think of the freaking Sistine Chapel ceiling. All Michaelangelo had was a bit of scaffolding and paint, and there are countless examples of that kind of work all over the world. Incredible.

Each of these works shows not only an IMMENSE understanding of the human form and the natural world, but also an immense amount of imagination - enough to create creatures such as dragons, chimeras, half-goat-half-serpents, whole pantheons of gods representing aspects of the world and human lives and emotions and experience... these things go back to the earliest ages of man.

Did people have help making paint? Did people have help learning how to carve stone? These skills go back to the age of the caveman, where people taught themselves how to make tools and utilise fire and daubed colours on walls. There's a book on the ancient cave paintings by an ancient historian called Ann Sieveking - I haven't read it, as it isn't in my field, but her grandson is a personal friend of mine, and he's related to me in detail how the ancient people would use their art to worship their gods, and change it depending on what they wanted to pray for. Cave paintings are a whole language of their own, a whole religion of their own, and they're the earliest form of art we know. And then we have petroglyphs and heiroglyphs and and and... and yknow what? Humans did them all by themselves, and we've been doing them ever since.

I've seriously gone right off on a rant, but by the invisible pink unicorn, humans are amazing. End of. One day, we'll be the aliens with all the knowledge and power surfing around other planets.

Well since we are talking about ancient UFO sighing lets really get this going. As we mentioned before the picture-graphs that have shown up over the time. They aren't hard to find but lets post some and the descriptions and see what people make of them.

This painting is called "The Madonna with Saint Giovannino". It was painted in the 15th century. The Palazzo Vecchio lists the artist as unknown although attributed to the Lippi school.Above Mary's right shoulder is a disk shaped object. Below is a blow up of this section and a man and his dog can clearly be seen looking up at the object.

The above image is of an actual sighting that occurred in Nuremburg on the 14th April 1561. It appeared in a local broadsheet and was a woodcut by Hans Glasser. The globes, crosses and tubes began to fight one another, and this went on for an hour. Then they all fell to earth, as if on fire, and faded slowly away producing a lot of steam. Afterwards a black spear-like object was seen, and the whole event was taken to be a divine warning. Held at the Wickiana Collection, Zurich Central Library.

This is an illustration from a book "Ume No Chiri (Dust of Apricot)" published in 1803. A foreign ship and crew witnessed at Haratonohama (Haratono Seashore) in Hitachi no Kuni (Ibaragi Prefecture), Japan this strange object. According to the explanation in the drawing, the outershell was made of iron and glass, and strange letters shown in this drawing were seen inside the ship.

This two images are from France, the cave of "Pech Merle" near "Le Cabrerets" c.17,000 - 15,000 BC. The scene depicts a landscape full of wildlife together with a number of saucer shaped objects. The objects seem totally out of context.

This is a tapestry called Summer's triumph and was created in Bruges in 1538. It now resides at the Bayerisches National Museum. You can clearly see several disc shaped objects in the top of the tapestry. Someone has speculated that they are islands, if so, then these islands are floating in the sky!

Ok there is a collection of art work and painting scanning across time that all seem to feature objects that are out of place. For example the last one with the disk floating in the sky. So is this just the artist impression on life? if so why do they all have the impression of disk floating in the sky?

@ Contessa :Humans are smart and the built the structures planting crops is a good reason.Then there is a question about the shape of such buildings. Any shape would of worked a square could of done the samething when it comes to Stonehenge. A rectangle could been used instead of a pyramid. But what about the writings that tell of places that may or may not have existed? I doubt if we will find all the answers because if you solve one question a hundred pops up. There is the line where science and mysticism kinda bump heads.
Here is a few links Lorika
Takamatsu Zuka Kofun in Asuka
The UnMuseum - The Lost Continent of Atlantis
Sumerian History
Extraterrestrials and UFOs - Crystalinks - Crystalinks

ohhhhh, some interesting links to read there, and no one has anything to day about my pictures ~cries~ -.-;

Your pictures are interesting. I've seen similiar.

Star: Thanks i think the most interesting of the painting that i have posted is the last one. You can see along the top the disk objects. They are 6 of them running across the top of the tapestry. As it says in the caption one theory is they are island but why would they be floating in the sky? also if not what on earth is the artist trying to visualize creating 5 or 6 floating objects in the background of the parade?

I think the madonna was is also interesting because of the close up of the object seen in the painting. Now the painting an image of Mary featuring a flying disk in the background. Now i am now christian but I am pretty sure the Mary story involves and angel and god, this makes the disk a pretty strange thing to draw imo. It's not even the only painting that an object like this appears along side Mary.

The painting above was done by Carlo Crivelli (1430-1495) and is called "The Annunciation with Saint Emidius" (1486) and hangs in the National Gallery, London. A disk shaped object is shining a pencil beam of light down into Mary's crown chakra.

Now i am not saying that Mary is related to UFO's, but "If" you were living in the 1500's. Christianity is the main religion in you're area and you see a strange object in the sky. You can understand why an object like this would be linked with God, and how sighting could influence the religious artwork and beliefs. Now if this is true for Christianity then what about other religions and cultures around the world. If you're society is based around the stars, seeing an object in the sky would have a massive effect.

Its not screaming "Alien" at every advancement in human history but sighting and objects could easily have played a big part in the development of ancient culture and religion could it not?

Originally Posted by Stardragon

@ Contessa :Humans are smart and the built the structures planting crops is a good reason.Then there is a question about the shape of such buildings. Any shape would of worked a square could of done the samething when it comes to Stonehenge. A rectangle could been used instead of a pyramid.

I'm not sure about other cultures, but the Egyptians did originally use rectangles. Ever hear of the step pyramid? Essentially it was a bunch of rectangles stacked ontop of each other (take for instance Pharaoh Djoser of the 3rd dynasty) . Before that they had 'mastaba' tombs which where rectangular prisms (example, Pharaoh Shepseskaf of the 4th dynasty). The reason they switched to the classical pyramid shape was because of one Pharaohs greed. Pharoah Sneferu of the 4th dynasty, had his architect design a pointed pyramid. His was different than the pyramids people think of now. His had rounded sides, creating a 'bow' effect. It wasn't until half way through that, that he decided he wanted flat sides so he had a second pyramid built.

They Egyptian pyramids were a simple progression of greed and a desire to be remembered more that the Pharaoh before you. Which meant bigger, stronger, and different.

Originally Posted by Mitsunari

Star: Thanks i think the most interesting of the painting that i have posted is the last one. You can see along the top the disk objects. They are 6 of them running across the top of the tapestry. As it says in the caption one theory is they are island but why would they be floating in the sky? also if not what on earth is the artist trying to visualize creating 5 or 6 floating objects in the background of the parade?

I think the madonna was is also interesting because of the close up of the object seen in the painting. Now the painting an image of Mary featuring a flying disk in the background. Now i am now christian but I am pretty sure the Mary story involves and angel and god, this makes the disk a pretty strange thing to draw imo. It's not even the only painting that an object like this appears along side Mary.



Now i am not saying that Mary is related to UFO's, but "If" you were living in the 1500's. Christianity is the main religion in you're area and you see a strange object in the sky. You can understand why an object like this would be linked with God, and how sighting could influence the religious artwork and beliefs. Now if this is true for Christianity then what about other religions and cultures around the world. If you're society is based around the stars, seeing an object in the sky would have a massive effect.

Its not screaming "Alien" at every advancement in human history but sighting and objects could easily have played a big part in the development of ancient culture and religion could it not?

Your welcome. I've noticed that the people in the paintings treat the sightings like how we treat a plane going by now.

Not sure if anyone interested but on the subject of modern day UFO's and are they real. I have an good video that shows reports of UFO's and most of these are pretty strange. Why is this video worth watching, firstly all the footage in the video's are shot by NASA. Secondly all the video is shot in space. It's hard to mistake an object for a plane ECT, while in space. Maybe take a look and see what you think.

the second half of the video isn't as note worth but the first 5 minutes is pretty good.