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Keyori 02-10-2011 10:07 PM

It's just that I see so much of the "IF YOU ARE PRO CHOICE YOU MUST WANT TO HAVE ABORTIONS ALL THE TIME LOLOLOL" rhetoric coupled with "ALL ABORTION IS WRONG SO YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE EITHER" that something that is actually reasonable is just refreshing. c:

monstahh` 02-10-2011 10:11 PM

I wouldn't have an abortion, but it's more because of what goes on with the surgery, and the chances of future damage (you know, in case I want kids of my own "some day.")
But, like I say with gay marriage, "Just because you wouldn't, doesn't mean you have the right to take away someone else's right to."

Glitter Golgotha 02-10-2011 11:43 PM

I am absolutely pro-choice when it comes to this matter, if not pro-abortion. I'm really disgusted by the idea of forcing people to carry out pregnancies, especially when those people are not ready for it or cannot handle it. That is terrible both for the mother and the resulting child, not to mention anyone else who may be involved. I'm also disturbed by the number of people I've come across who feel that it is their duty to pop out a child and that there are no other options. I hate how abortion is demonized, as are those who consider it an option. Some people really should not give birth, period. How a person got pregnant does not change the fact that that person is pregnant, and should not affect how that person is able to deal with the situation. If someone is actually prepared to go through a pregnancy and give birth and wishes to do so (and preferably has suitable conditions prepared for the potential child), then fine--but if someone is not, then that person should absolutely have the right to opt out. Having a child is NOT always the responsible thing to do. Sometimes it is reckless and should not be encouraged.

una 02-11-2011 12:29 AM

Pro-choice. Period. Personally I don't think I could have an abortion because of my own moral conflicts but I certainly wouldn't impose my morals on to someone else.

Emmery 02-12-2011 12:59 AM

What about abortion after the fetus is seven months? It can think and feel for itself then.
Also, how about the how taking a needle and scrambling the brain of the child to kill it then taking it out? There are so many ways of abortion, and I myself feel that it all depends on the circumstances. There are those who go around practically wearing a 'f*** me' sign. There are those who are raped. There are always different reasons for and against abortion.

Jovial 02-12-2011 01:12 AM

Emmery: Not a lot of places will actually abort a fetus past 5 months (in the US and Canada), so good luck getting a legal abortion at 7 months. In the UK it's something like 25 weeks. Also, that type of abortion has been banned where I live. I don't know about the rest of the US, Canada, and the UK, but as you said, there are a lot of ways to abort a baby. A real professional won't do that.

Lorika 02-12-2011 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Emmery (Post 1769091278)
There are those who go around practically wearing a 'f*** me' sign.

Are you implying that promiscuous women should be denied the right to abort?

chaosed 02-12-2011 01:58 PM

I am pro-choice, because, is their life, their baby, I don't have control over it, and even if I see abortion as a horrible thing, I have to admit that there are indeed circumstances in which an abortion is the best thing for the woman to do to save her body or whatnot.
And for the ones who abort because they want to remain skinny or they don't know who's the fetus's father because they slept with too many or stuff like this, it's their health, their moral degradation and since I can't do anything abut it, it's useless being concerned by it.
And I'd like to say that I'll never abort, but I don't know, you never know what happens. But mostly I wont.

Aspinou 02-12-2011 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Emmery (Post 1769091278)
What about abortion after the fetus is seven months? It can think and feel for itself then.
Also, how about the how taking a needle and scrambling the brain of the child to kill it then taking it out? There are so many ways of abortion, and I myself feel that it all depends on the circumstances. There are those who go around practically wearing a 'f*** me' sign. There are those who are raped. There are always different reasons for and against abortion.

Well in most places I think the limit is somewhere between 20-25 weeks not more...

and by the way, what about all the "f*ck me" guys, what are we gonna do about them?

Emmery 02-13-2011 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Aspinou (Post 1769093909)
Well in most places I think the limit is somewhere between 20-25 weeks not more...

and by the way, what about all the "f*ck me" guys, what are we gonna do about them?

If only we could find a cure for bad behavior like we could find a cure for the flu... But I know some pretty crappy women who actually brag about having so many abortions. It just makes me sick, but I'm not trying to force you all to see it my way. Not even close.
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Originally Posted by Lorika (Post 1769091334)
Are you implying that promiscuous women should be denied the right to abort?

No, not at all! I'm just saying that there are the people who have sex, abort and repeat. I'm not implying that I want to deny their rights to abortion, I'm just putting it out there.
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Look, my mom is a scuz bag:
She aborted my little sister through some unethical means. I know that the seven month abortion isn't legal. I never said it was.

monstahh` 02-13-2011 03:28 PM

I oppose abortions after the fetus can live on it's own, but before that, it should be fair game, as it's just a parasite. However, I do think you should try to abort within the first 20 or so weeks...But especially in the case of emergencies, if it still can't live on it's own...too bad.
>___>;; As heartless as that may sound, I value the life of someone already living, over the life of a fetus.

Dear Derrick, 02-14-2011 10:53 PM

Honestly, I think that women should have the right to get an abortion if they need it. If they're not financially stable, sure, they could give it away, but women tend to get attatched to their children. What happens if this woman decides to keep the baby because she can't let go of it? Where does that leave her? Don't even talk to me about Welfare. That only really makes things worse in my opinion. It's a totally different matter, also.

The option to abort should always be out there. I know a girl (we're actually good friends) who was raped some time ago (mind you, this was before my coma) and was afraid of getting an abortion because of all the drama around it. She vowed that she wouldn't abort the baby and that she would simply put it up for adoption, or let her cousin something-removed have it because her cousin was sterile. And I went to the hospital to see her some days after she had the child, and there was no hope of getting her separated from that baby. She had requested to see the child once after its birth, and she told me how she grew to love it, may it be the child of a rapist or not. She still hates her baby's father and lives with what she says "the guilt" of keeping the baby, both because her mother couldn't afford the first year and because she had made plans with someone to give it away, and let alone the fact that the kid would always be a memory of all of that. Every day that I went to see her in the hospital, she held the baby so close to her that I could've sworn that it would merge back into her body.

What if she hadn't been afraid of the abortion and hadn't felt like it wasn't her place to do something like that? If she wasn't built up to think that she would be a fetus-killer or whatever these people say that she would be after it? None of it would've happened at all. She wouldn't have to live with the pain of her memories every time that she saw the kid. She wouldn't have to deal with any of it, because people wouldn't harass her with all the shit that they do.

I don't know about you all, but that's the way I feel.

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Originally Posted by monstahh` (Post 1769096332)
As heartless as that may sound, I value the life of someone already living, over the life of a fetus.

Agreed.

Doomfishy 02-17-2011 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Emmery (Post 1769096147)
If only we could find a cure for bad behavior like we could find a cure for the flu... But I know some pretty crappy women who actually brag about having so many abortions. It just makes me sick, but I'm not trying to force you all to see it my way. Not even close.

Color me skeptical. How many abortions? In what social circumstances do they brag? There's nothing for them to gain, plenty for them to lose. Even from a purely financial perspective, the scenario you're laying out makes just about zero sense. Birth control ain't cheap, but abortion procedures cost a hell of a lot more. From a social perspective, there's absolutely nothing to be gained by even so much as mentioning a single abortion in public.

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Originally Posted by Emmery (Post 1769096147)
No, not at all! I'm just saying that there are the people who have sex, abort and repeat. I'm not implying that I want to deny their rights to abortion, I'm just putting it out there.
_-_-_-_-_
Look, my mom is a scuz bag:
She aborted my little sister through some unethical means. I know that the seven month abortion isn't legal. I never said it was.

I don't know your situation, so I won't judge. But I will note that the last thing a woman needs is for someone she loves to hold her medical history against her.

Demoncat 02-18-2011 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by monstahh` (Post 1769096332)
I oppose abortions after the fetus can live on it's own, but before that, it should be fair game, as it's just a parasite. However, I do think you should try to abort within the first 20 or so weeks...But especially in the case of emergencies, if it still can't live on it's own...too bad.
>___>;; As heartless as that may sound, I value the life of someone already living, over the life of a fetus.

Pretty much how I feel about abortion. I value the life of the mother more than the unborn fetus. There are also SO many cases where abortion is a highly thought of solution like rape, teen pregnancy, health concerns and so on.

We can't stop bad choices like those who constantly have unprotected sex and abort many fetuses but we shouldn't punish others because of their actions.

Also I find it extremely cruel to force those who didn't want to get pregnant to go through with the pregnancy anyways, Its just heart breaking to me. In one case one of my friends was raped and was pregnant but because of her strict catholic parents she couldn't abort the child so she had to go through the pregnancy of a rape created child. The child is in an orphanage but its just so terrible to know you were a mistake, a rape mistake at that. :(


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