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Presley 06-08-2011 09:45 PM

Oh wow, a discussion that I actually have studied very thoroughly! I just wish I could gather up all the information I had on it. It is somewhat unfortunate that people are forced to behave a certain way when they are, for a lack of a better word, wired to be something completely different. They are mostly forced into it, because the person who is doing the forcing has a lack of understanding what exactly is going on inside the brain of the person. For example, transgenders. If I remember correctly, there is a lot of scientific evidence that supports the reason why some boys feel like they are actually girls and vice versa. Though, these remain in theory because there are always exceptions.

This post wasn't as helpful or contributing as I had hoped it would be, seeing as I can't find the link to the video I had seen on this subject. Sorry. :(

sarofset 06-08-2011 10:46 PM

@Presley: That's okay. If you wanna do a big informative post, you always have time to get your thoughts together, and find your video and everything. That's one of the lovely things about the internet and all. :)

All: I was recently in an argument with someone who felt the need to say that gender roles were completely natural because Chimpanzees had the same ones we do. I pointed out that bonobos have the opposite gender roles, and are virtually the same species. He just stared at me like I had turned purple.

Stormrose Dewleaf 06-09-2011 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sarofset (Post 1769509182)
I pointed out that bonobos have the opposite gender roles, and are virtually the same species. He just stared at me like I had turned purple.

I love that look. I have to try really hard not to laugh if I'm in a debate or argument with someone, bring up a very logical point, and it just completely floors them. Or even when it happens in a debate between others I happen to be watching. Sometimes they look like they're about to start spluttering. And then sometimes they do.

sarofset 06-09-2011 06:30 PM

I like the stupefied double blink you get. lol.

And when you make the point about something like gender that most people think is so simple it just completely floors people.

`Kitami 06-09-2011 07:06 PM

@ The talk about writing and characters, I write almost always from a male point of view. All of my characters that I am really attached to are male (Kiyoshi, Shiane, Nicolas and Alexander) and most of the female characters I create are there just to support the males. But I never write from their point of view. I always write as Kiyo or Shiane, or Nicolas or Xander. My only female character that I've created that I write about often is Miciah, but a lot of the stories about her aren't told from her PoV, but rather from the PoV of the man that she loves.
So I guess that's a bit odd, since I know most women write as female characters. :P

sarofset 06-10-2011 05:18 AM

I write both.

I've written a lot of males, but I wouldn't exactly call all of them "manly men." Though my main two that I love to write are both male, one is completely insane, and the other is... well he's a jerk to put it mildly.

The females I generally write are strong, and strong willed, and usually built curvy as opposed to super skinny. I never write my girls dumb, though crazy is fun to write regardless of sex or gender.

Erin is my favorite girl to write... I'm not sure why. She's just my favorite. lol.

`Kitami 06-10-2011 05:41 AM

Miciah is in that category. She's an elf who fights with a staff or scythe and casts spells with wind. She was created for a Tales of Symphonia fanfiction. :lol:
And then I just kind of ran with her. Someone did art of her for me on Mene, a while back, but I can't find it. :(

Nicci and Xander are gay; Nicci is a vampire and Xander is a hunter, but they're partners.
Kiyoshi and Shiane have evolved a lot in the past 2 1/2 years. XD Kiyoshi is gay, and Shiane loves him, but there's a woman from his past who he still loves, and she's not dead like he thinks she is. Its complicated. :drool:

My characters tend to be either awesome kick ass women, or possibly gay men. :lol:

Stormrose Dewleaf 06-10-2011 07:14 AM

I used to write from a female point of view ALL the time, but now it's kind of half and half, depending on what I'm writing. The novel I'm working on is from a male's POV so right now that's what I'm writing the most of.

My characters are...everything. o_O I roleplay with my girlfriend a lot - almost every day for the last five years. Between the roleplay and my own work, I have literally hundreds of characters stashed away, though naturally some a lot more developed then others. I do have a lot of gay men, though. I half blame that on my girlfriend's love of yaoi. When we were first doing this it far surpassed mine. :lol:

sarofset 07-01-2011 09:14 PM

An interesting thing one of my friends brought up today.

Apparently in some tribes in the far east and Africa there are more than two recognized genders. One group even has five different ones.

I find this terribly interesting, and I wonder if there's one that fits me. lol.

`Kitami 07-05-2011 07:24 AM

Research it? :O

sarofset 07-05-2011 07:25 AM

I don't remember what they were called. XD Otherwise I totally would, however I'm sure google could help me with this... google knows... google always knows. O.o

`Kitami 07-05-2011 07:29 AM

Google knows what you're thinking at this very moment.

sarofset 07-05-2011 07:31 AM

Probably since I'm thinking the lyrics to a song playing off of youtube. lol.

(Google owns Youtube... just for the three people in the world who didn't know.)

Regardless I'll probably stick to my rather anti gender in general stance.

Mystic 07-05-2011 04:40 PM

Gender diversity is very important to me. I think that it should be taught to accept people as people and not by how society expects them to act. I'm gender neutral. I get mistaken as a male then other times people mistake me as a female. It does bother me when people refer to me as "her" or "him". It's hard to explain.

I work at a McDonalds and refuse to use the terms "girl" or "boy" toys. I ask what toy the person would like depending on what we carry. I also have another associate that does the same thing since she also thinks that toys shouldn't have gender assignments. She started doing it after I was asked why I never said "boy" or "girl" toy. The way I see it, boys can play with dolls if they want and girls can play with trucks.

@sarofset: I heard the thing about five or more genders being assigned in tribes but I can't for the life of me remember which ones it was. Now I'm going to have to find those articles that I came across on them.

sarofset 07-05-2011 09:29 PM

I don't mind being called him or her. I cared a while back, but now it just doesn't bother me.

The way I see it people are who they are, not what they are. you know?

ljosberinn 07-13-2011 06:37 PM



Mystic: I'm gender neutral as well, though physically I usually project more like what people expect based on my physical sex.. which makes it really difficult sometimes to get people to understand that I do not identify as a gender at all. :/

I think we can ascertain as pretty much a fact that stereotyping is, or at least can easily be damaging as there are so many people in the world who are suffering because of stereotypes - if you do not fit the stereotype people expect you to perfectly (for example male, female, gay, straight, etc.), you are a failure. And yet, people keep persisting on putting other people in tiny little boxes.. it's very strange.
I would even go so far to say that most people in the world suffer from these stereotypes, especially "male" and "female", because we have built the stereotypes to be something very few people can actually fit into.

Also, I refuse the notion that actions like cooking are inherently feminine or linked to females, as someone hinted at earlier in this thread. This is a stereotype we have made up for our society and for some reason, people just accept it as absolute truth. And to link to sarofset's comment about chimpanzees and bonobos, not all human cultures have the same gender stereotypes even. So it's bullshit to try to say that these stereotypes are somehow biological or inherent in us, or something we can't change.. like someone mentioned with women only recently being "allowed" to wear trousers in Western culture, gender stereotypes are constantly changing. I'm just hoping that one day, they will be eliminated or become all-inclusive.. well, one can hope, hey?


Also also, there are gender neutral pronouns in English other than it, although they are fairly new inventions and therefore not integrated into most people's language yet. I, for one, prefer having the pronoun zie used for me rather than he or she. If anyone's interested in seeing how they work, and to see other ones, here's a Wikipedia list. :)



fade_to_grey 09-22-2011 10:06 PM

i for one find stereotypes offensive. like just because im a girl doesnt mean i have to wear makeup and perfume and dresses and talk about boys and clothes and shoes and belong to a clique. i can have guy friends, talk about whatever i want and be myself and refuse to wear anything besides jeans and a t shirt. come on people... this is the 21st century and this is america (where i live anyway)

Pa-chinko 09-23-2011 11:48 PM

Those terms get used a lot but in an entirely different context. Though I've never had a problem with categorisation as long as people understand that there will be many that deviate from it.

Crimson Fang 09-24-2011 01:00 AM

@the people talking about a culture with several genders-
You wouldn't happen to be talking about the Bimin-Kuskusmin of West Sepik, Papa New Guinea?


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