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Humans First Animals Second
Yes I know that sounds cruel, but its the honest truth. We're smarter then animals and we benefit from them. People like PETA and members of ALF drive me crazy.
Sure I love animals, but when it comes to medical testing go ahead and do it on an animal. We've been doing it for a long time and many people who are members of PETA and ALF had benefited for this. One woman in PETA who is high ranking in their group is diabetic and said," Yes I know some of the medicine I use was created by testing on animals, but I'm not a hypocrite. The medicine helps me stay alive and fight for their lives." Um sorry but that is a hypocrite. We'd have millions of people dead if it wasn't for animal testing. The list goes on and on for the different medicines we've created to help battle against sickness and illness in humans that you use. Even some organ transplants were tested on animals first. PETA is even against owning pets. So yeah all you pet lovers are bastards then because even PETA wants you to get rid of your pets. Oh yeah and they also want to get rid of animals that help walk the blind. So yeah your bastards to because you have a dog helping you walk around how could you! ALF is honestly just insane. People try to justify blowing up labs that are doing serious medical research and some compare themselves to Dr. Martin Luther King and Ghandi even. Uh, I think those are the last two people who would bomb places. On a final note PETA dislikes putting animals to sleep, but even they agree its a necessary evil at times. Yet they will stand outside animal shelters and protest. PETA themselves put animals to sleep. Yet sometimes PETA themselves put animals to sleep and sometimes put to sleep more animals then they save. Look I'm all for the fair treatment of animals, but I don't think they should be treated as our equals. I mean I love animals, they're delicious :twisted: lol <3333 |
So what are your thoughts?
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I think you have a good point; without animal testing, we wouldn't be so advanced in medicine as we are today.
But I think there's a 'line' too. For example, testing a new body spray or soap to check it has the right effect is ok, because it doesn't harm the animal (unless it gives them a rash, but that can be cured) But things like... I dunno... seeing how many volts a rabbit can take is crossing the line (poor example..but hey) As long as it doesn't cause the animal severe pain, I think it's alright :) PETA does take things a little far. I can understand where they're coming from, but it's the people's choice on whether they want a pet or not. Putting an animal to sleep with an injection is perfectly ok, because no-one wants any animal to live a life of suffering and anguish. And no, they're not the same as us, we are different. But we're the same on the inside. I think animals should be treated just as nicely as humans should be. It's only fair really. If you were a dog or a cat, being made to go wait outside in the cold and the rain until your owner comes home, I don't think I'd want to be treated like that. I'd want to earn my owners trust, and be allowed to stay inside if I wanted to :) Just a few of my thoughts.. ^__^;; |
I'm a vegitarian and an animal rights activist, but I completly disagree with most things PETA say since they are CRAZY. They once protested a documentary about Eagles because it showed the Eagles hunting fish, and that "made the Eagles look bad". Dude, they're predators. They hunt. STFU. Whenever PETA hands out literature at my college, I refuse to take it and tell them: "I don't read terrorist propaganda".
As for animal testing...I don't like it. We have the technology available to simulate what results would come from medication/cosmetics, but the status quo is so firmly in place. In fact, I once read about mutated/specially bred plants and vegtables that simulated skin and eyes, and could be used to test external medication and cosmetics. This would be VERY beneficial, seeing as how rabbits and other animals are forced to surfer through draize tests (such as this, and this), which I'm sure cause a lot of suffering. I'll try to find that article, but I read it a couple of years ago so it might be long gone. As for internal testing...that's another very touchy subject. As far as I know, there's no alternative method, and there's also a margin of error even with testing. I think more needs to be done to find alternative methods, which would be beneficial bother to animals AND humans. |
I'm all for animal testing when it's for something honestly important - cancer research, for example, or research into almost any other form of medication. When it's just for cosmetics, or whatever else, I think it's wrong. Totally. If you care that much, test it on yourself.
xx; But that's just me. I'm willing to listen to both sides of the discussion. :] |
I won't buy cosmetics or such if they are tested on animals. At this point in time we're not making new products, we're refining older products. You can test them on humans. Things like Draize testing is ridiculous and unneeded. They don't need to see how much make-up you need to shove into someone's eye to make it get irritated. =\ I find it cruel and stupid.
However, I'm all for drug testing on animals. There is no alternative proven to be as effective. Simulations and tissue samples are not definitive enough to test a drug. I do not see this sort of testing to be pointless. It takes years as it is to develop new drugs--the alternatives that are currently available take three times as long. Some people cannot wait--they are dying now, not later. And I agree: Animals are darn tasty. =o Then again, we're just animals too. |
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I don't really like that way of thinking, animals have just as much right to be here as we do. However I believe it's okay to eat some animals, like chickens, cows, pigs, etc, because if you think about it, animals eat each other anyways. That's just how it is. But I do disagree with how food animals are raised, at least from what I've heard. And I don't like testing, that pisses me off. I understand if it's for medicine that will save people's lives, but for things like makeup which isn't even important, it's ridiculous. And creepy behavior experiments. It makes me mad that they do these things to helpless creatures.
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Yeah, I pretty much agree with what Vickicat says. That animals are okay to eat when they're prey animals, but the way they're raised is unfortunate, and that I don't agree with animal testing, especially on unnecessary things. Ideally it would be completely erradicated, but I don't see that happening, so I'd say that it's tolerable in the cases of medical treatments. |
I don't think non-medicinal animal testing is right.
Humans and animals are not the same. We may have similarities, but just because a certain ingredient in my eyeshadow didn't make all of the hair fall out of the rat it was tested on doesn't necessarily mean it is safe for me to use. We have hundreds of child molestors and killers locked away in our prisons, wasting space because our goverment is afraid to put them to death like they deserve. Let's test the makeup on them! |
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Just kidding *goes back to lurking*. |
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^^; Chemical and physical castration doesn't stop their thinking pattern it just takes away their main tool. Some molestors will move on to using... other things... It's not about sexual gratification. |
This is true, it isn't about sexual gratification...I suppose the punishment would be more relief to others then therapy for the offenders.
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I think that testing on animals is O.K. as long as they aren't torturing the animals or hurting them horribly physically. @[email protected] (like abuse, etc.)
I also think that seeing-eye and hearing dogs are very important, as they help the blind and the deaf communicate better with the world, and help them if there's a siren or something horribly wrong. @[email protected] I do think that prisoners who are locked up for life *should* have testing done on them though. xD I mean, if they have no chance at parole, then yes, I think they could benefit the rest of us if they are tested as human tests after other tests. @[email protected] |
The reason they don't get used for testing and don't get castrated is because our constitution prohibits "cruel and unusual punishment," both of which both the proposed punishments could fall under.
That said, I am in total agreement with the humans > animals point of view. As it is I'm wearing a leather hat, belt, coat, and shoes, and am waiting on my ham pizza to arrive. hehehe... |
It's a dog eat dog world. xP
I'm obviously not a vegetarian, but I do draw my lines. I don't agree with testing products on animals for any non-medicinal purposes. xP |
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I believe there was a horrible brutal child rapist in flodria, last time I read about this, asking and begging to be casterated so he would not do said horrible crimes. The Judge told him that would be a violation of his 8th admenmandt rights. That is why it is not done. with the few that have been done in Europe, they found less than 10% repeat rapist/molestation, of I think the 20+ men who have had it done. most went on to be average men and had actually decent sex lives. But as said, this is for another debate and thread. Oh, and I agree about just using these lifers and those on death sentences for medical/other testing on. |
For me it isn't if we're more intelligent or whatever than animals. It doesn't even matter to me if the animal is a monkey or a mouse or a spider. If it can feel pain, that is something.
For me, I favor humans over anything else simply because I am one. No species in existence today exists because it decided to "be nice" to another species without getting anything in return, at a cost to itself. Testing on ourselves would be a cost to ourselves. I don't like testing on animals, I don't like the way farm animals are treated, I hate the way people abuse animals, etc. etc...and I know sooome people are really worth less than the dogs they kick...but....if we are weighing a human baby versus a baby kitten, this may be mean but I'd pick the human baby. My interest in this human baby increases if it's related to me. The reason is just individual survival and survival of the species. My favoritism towards the human baby is because it is of my species. That my biased for the baby increases if it's related to me, say my niece vs. my own child, is because of individual wellfare. The thing that makes me dislike people and put them below many animals is the unique weird ability of humans to do malicious things that do not benefit them in any way, often times...and also that humans can also choose to be saintly. That someone CHOSE to be a serial killer simply for shits and giggles disgusts me because they have choice. The environment or genetics or something may be contributing factors, but the blame lands on the individual, because they had a choice. Animals don't really do that. Well, you do...I mean, you will get lions that come in and kill or run off the older lion, and then they go through infanticide, and rape the lionesses after having just killed the baby lions...but we just go, "oh that's nature"...we think nothing of it. The lion did that to get its genes around. But you don't have lions that chain-kill an entire pack of lionesses and hang the carcasses from weird branches and then molest the baby lions, for example. You don't get that higher level of dementia you get with humans, because animals don't really seem to have this sense of right and wrong and don't really delight in wrongdoing. I think that's why, for me, sometimes animals seem better than some of the most low-life humans...because knowing what humans could be, what awesome good things humans can do..compared to what some particular shitty human decided to do, it makes me dislike the human. It makes me forget that in order to have positive, in order to have wonderful good people, to have freedom of choice, you also include the people who choose badly. =/ I like humans..just not all of them. In general I like humans more than animals..but argh. Some humans make it difficult..and some really really cute animals make it difficult too. >.o' But to evaluate, it's better if you try to ignore what society has done, what environment has done..and rewind all the way to infancy. When you do that, I don't think humans are so godawful. Granted, kittens and puppies are cute..but if you could put a baby human in an environment that was clear of negative influences, and the same with dogs and cats and such, and that human were even the faintest bit related to you, which would you have problems shooting the most? |
I'm against animal testing in all forms. Admittedly there are some people who do go much to far - like the eagle program protest, but on the whole animal testing is wrong.
My view is very much that if the medicine is for humans then test it on humans. After they have tested these things on animals they still check and test it on humans anyway, so why not cut out the animals in the middle? One option would be for those crazy animal rights protestors to offer themselves up instead of the animals. Or people with whatever disease they are wanting to cure volunteering to be tested upon, to cure themselves and others with the same thing. And of course, highly controversial, asking the people on death row in America. Give them the choice - Die by whatever method the state they are in uses, or offer themselves up for drug tests. If everything they do is humane enough for the animals - then its humane enough for people! |
very true Lass, but if humans agreed to be used as test subjects you can bet your life that they wouldn't be locked in restraints with they eyes clamped open as corrosive fluids are dripped into them, and all the other sickening things that people do to animals in labs.
the only reason humans test on animals is because the animals can't complain.. they don't show/vocalise pain the way we do, and most humans are of the opinion that we are are above animals and better than them for that reason, so we can do what we like to them, it's a sick, sad world that we live in :( |
I agree with some of the stuff you've said, like that we have all beneficted from animal testing. But i don't think that because of it we should be testing everything on animals without any reason.
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Yup, I agree with you.
We have a right to use animals in order to find methods to benefit our lifestyles as long as we don't torture them. Besides, don't other animals prey on others to live as well? And we are animals ourselves afterall. And PETA's drama is really intimidating. Hypocrites indeed. ~_~; The only thing I have a problem with is people who kill animals for no purpose or intention. And yeah, men who hunt animals as a sport. That's cold. DD: |
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