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kuroki13 04-27-2007 10:09 PM

it's sad, but people are prejudice against both the inner beauties and the outer beauties. the outer beauties are called stupid and snobs because they have something that almost everyone wants. some beauties realize that they can use their looks to get what they want or think that their looks make them better than others because not many people look as good as they do. but that's not everyone of them. so beauties are smart and strong and good people (tyra banks *cough*).

inner beauties don't get the recogintion they deserve. a person's heart and a person's mind isn't valuable enough to people cause they are only thinking of sex. but the looks don't always make the person. i've found that some of the people who have the least attractive faces have hearts of gold and are smart, wonderful people, but no one likes them because they aren't pretty. they are always thought to be less because they aren't prettym and no one will give them the time of day. and they become angry with people that are pretty because they have something that everyone recognizes and that make them jealous.

but both are very improtant. being beautiful can signify that you love and respect yourself and are a strong person. you take care of your appearance enough to let people know that apperances ARE important. and inner beauty is good because not everyone has it either. it's overlooked because it can't be seen. but when it comes down to the end and everyone's old and wrinkled, which would you rather be with, the boring once beautiful person or the person who could make you laugh and smile and enjoy the rest of your life who didn't depend on their looks to entertain people?

Melody 05-05-2007 07:19 AM

inner beauty you have control over. it is who you are and who you will always be. Your inner beauty can not be taken away if your outer beauty is.

outer beauty is good for one thing and one thing alone. Procreation. People want to procreate with beautiful people.
I do think people with outer beauty get stereotyped as bad and skanky alot. models are always thought to be aneorexic, cheerleaders are always thought to be whores, jocks are always retarded, and so on. they dont judge the person on anything else but how they look when theyre out doing something they love. most wont take the time to get to know these people outside of this pubic role so they can even get to know the inner beauty. inner beauty is something that everyone has. everyone. and its unique inn each person. its kinda like the embodiment of your soul to me. it takes on the reflection of you. i feel the inner beauty is more important than the outer beauty.

but im also a libra... and physically pretty things appeal to me as well. and so im surounded by things and people that are pretty both inside and out. because i like it like that.

Jennifer 05-06-2007 07:19 AM

You know, I can't really lie about something like that when people are like, "Inner beauty is what I look for in a person." I'm sorry, but I also look for outer beauty. I'm not being er...what's the word...hateful towards the people who aren't so pleasing to the eye. But I'm just saying, I'd rather go out with someone that I can look at for the rest of my life without thinking that I have to change them. And I mean...who also wants to be with a person who doesn't shower and wear persentable clothing. But facial features/looks do mean a lot to me. I'm not being prejudice at all, I just have a different way of looking at things.

IshokuOsero 05-06-2007 08:59 AM

I think that inner beauty is indeed the most important aspect of a person.
I have never once said that all people who wear makeup are vein, nor do I have the extremist view that you mentioned about what makes up a person's beauty.

I, however, don't believe you need to be completely attracted to someone physically in order to love them or have an interest in them. Dirtiness is not my opinion of any form of beauty and is not what I'm talking about. I'm more talking about someone who keeps themselves clean, and all that hygenic stuff, because no matter what, people will stray from those who don't keep themselves clean or properly dressed. It's a basic instinct to do that, and I don't count that in with outer beauty at all.

I'm more talking about the person who doesn't look the best, maybe their appearance is just... not pleasing to the eye ~ as in physical traits that can't be helped, like a receeding hairline or just... not an attractive face. That's the stuff that I'm talking about when I say something like "it's the inner beauty that counts". I'm attracted to truly beautiful people in bands and irl and such, but those aren't the people that I end up going after. I end up going after the people with the great personalities, no matter what they look like. I will talk to anyone and everyone, and usually the people that I have met who have the greatest inner beauty don't have a great outer appearance. So it really is the inner beauty that counts for me. A balance of both is unnecessary for me to be happy with whoever I chose to date.

When surgery is unnecessary and people go and have it anyways, that's the outer beauty that makes me cringe. Stuff like breast enlargements or facial makeovers. It's not necessary and I truly believe that sort of stuff comes from the people that are vein, although you can tell that some people who wear makeup are completely about their appearance, and are vein, whether anyone would like to believe so or not. I'm sure there are a lot of people who wear makeup for reasons other than vanity and all that jazz, since I know a few people who go completely crazy with makeup and do all the awesome stuff with it and completely aren't vein about themselves, but in all my experiences around where I live as well as in the big city near me, I haven't actually seen very many of them. The cool people are very few and far between, and at least for me, it's mostly the stereotypical nerdy, geeky, most likely pretty unattractive people that I'm usually attracted to, because they tend to be the ones with the smarts, the great personalities, and the awesome jokes.

Witch 02-19-2008 02:14 AM



Here's hoping to resurrect the life of this discussion thread again.

I remember why I raised this topic.

"Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder"
There are old person with many wrinkles or some people with scars, over weight, skinny, curved, etc that I find as beautiful without having to know their personality and their 'inner beauty' first.



You know the saying: "everybody has something good inside them?"

That's the same as: "everyone has inner beauty inside them" right?

Since "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
that means, inner beauty and outer beauty should have equal standing.

It's our own taste (eyes) that make the separation of the two, as the beautiful side of people that we can see and the one we can't see.

But since people normally more intrigued by what they can't see, when they see the other side of someone that they normally don't see, calling it as 'inner beauty', they will be more biased and pleased about their finding, thus creating the more glorifying status of inner beauty trend.


I'll share more of my thought about this later.



Vickicat 02-19-2008 08:12 AM

Beauty.
 
I think I'm one of the few people that can honestly sit here and say I don't give a damn about looks. I'm a pretty oblivious person and most of the time I don't even notice people who are considered pretty, cute, hot, whatever. Sometimes if I take the time to notice, I will notice it. XD A lot of times it has to be pointed out by someone else first, not always though. But yeah. Looks are nice to have, but personality is important. If someone is both pretty and nice, that's a plus. But if they're not so good looking, but still nice, they've still got a lot more going for them than someone who is pretty and acts like a total jerk. And of course, I've come across some rather ugly people who's personalities match that as well. And it just makes me think of them as being very ugly because that's how they act. But some people who aren't so good looking who are the nicest people in the world, I really don't notice them looking so bad. But for the most part, I don't sit and think, "That person is pretty, that person is ugly" because it's just not important and I really don't care.

EpoxyObsession 02-27-2008 08:15 AM

I think think the key question, when it comes to whether or not to care about "Outer Beauty" sorts of things, is why you do it and how extreme you are.

For instance, if you are into fashion solely because you want to attract guys, because you're not any good at anything else, because you feel obligated to follow society's standards, or because you need to disguise your low self-esteem, you're in a bad place and should maybe re-examine your interest in fashion. However, if you do it because you like playing around with your looks, feel powerful and confident when you look sharp, like to maintain hygienic and healthy standards for yourself, or because you have an artistic knack for it, then you're fine and no one should bug you about it. It's like, some people do things for the wrong reasons, but that's not always because whatever they're doing is necessarily wrong. It could just be a personal problem. Fashion should be fun, not emotionally draining.

How extreme things are matters, too. No one should be expected to spend 2 hours getting ready every morning, be able to identify designers on sight, or have new shoes every week. But on the other hand, people should be clean and maintain themselves. Brush your teeth, ride a bike, take a shower, see a dermatologist if you have excessive acne -- these are all more important than making sure you have the latest Gucci bag. (But if you want it and you've got the cash, the Gucci bag's cool too!)

So basically what I'm saying is, people should take pride in their appearances. They shouldn't obsess over them or let themselves go to hell. Balance is key!

I also think inner beauty and outer beauty go hand in hand to some extent. A strong, focused person will have the willpower not to eat an entire cake, and will probably take the time to pick out nice clothing. Going on a run every couple of days is good for your heart, your thighs, and your spirit. Likewise, a strong, focused person will have the self-awareness to note if they're sacrificing the inside for the appearance, and will stop.

joih 02-27-2008 11:29 AM

I think inner beauty is just something people made up to comfort those who are not really physically fortunate. Quotes like "it's the inside that counts" is so overrated! Let's face it! People judge others from outside appearance. The beautiful/handsome gets away with a lot of things. (Free drinks, free seats and get away with parking tickets} And some people tend to assume that beautiful people are nice just because they look nice.

However, I do believe that there are still people who are good inside. Even if there are not really that good looking. I'm not overlooking that situation. Only that in reality, people are almost always judged through outer appearance.

Take for instance when you're applying for a job. The interviewer looks at your clothes, your smile, the way you carry yourself more than your brains, your kindness or your answers. I mean, it counts.

Of course, people can look at inner beauty in different ways but that will also depend on which counts as good-looking and bad-looking according to their definitions.

Astromantic 03-01-2008 02:24 AM

Personally, I think inner beauty is just as important as outer beauty. I mean, there could be a gorgeous girl with a porn star kind of body and a face like a supermodel. Let's say you try and strike up a conversation with you and she turns out to be a stuck up conceited bitch who could care less about what you have to say. Now let's say there's another girl who is overweight, wears glasses, wears modest non-revealing clothing. Say you talk to her, and she is one of the sweetest girls you've met who shares a lot of your interests. If you wanted to ask one of these girls out, which would you go for? Which of these girls would you rather hang out with? I'd rather kick it with girl number 2, thanks.

I don't mean for this to sound general. I have met girls who are beautiful and nice at the same time, and I've met hideous girls who are bitter about everything and treats everyone else like crap. Once you get to know someone though, inner beauty can either make or break the way you see someone. Going back to my example with the gorgeous girl and the bitchy personality, her behavior would have made her ugly in my eyes.

Takabean 03-01-2008 02:36 AM

:lol: I always laugh when people are all "its what's on the inside that counts" or "looks dont matter"

because looks DO matter, lets face it someone isnt going to go out with somebody just because they feel bad for them. Personality does count, but so does looks. Im not saying looks are EVERYTHING in a relationship, but it is a factor.

H_e_a_r_t 03-01-2008 03:28 AM

weeellllll, to me, neither of those really matter if i like a person o.o; I could like someone who is completely evil xD; i dunno o.o when you like someone, does it matter what they look like?

But yeah, inner beauty talk is getting a bit delusional.

InfinitysDaughter 03-02-2008 10:28 PM

I try to live my life by the rule "dont judge a book by its cover". While I gravitate towards those with little outer beauty because the world tends to favor those with little inner beauty with plenty of outer, I dont discriminate those with good looks.

But you cant deny the fact that most people will horrible insides tend to have nice outsides. Its just how things work. I'm not saying all, but most.


Inner beauty IS what counts in life, in my opinion. How can anyone say its better to be pretty if they are completely ugly on the inside.

Just because you dress up a corps in roses dosn't make it a rose.

Intoxicate 03-03-2008 12:46 AM

Inner beauty is definitely more important.
A good relationship, whether as a friend or as 'more than a friend,' is bonded by people who share qualities of inner beauty -- kindness, compassion, honesty.

Outer beauty isn't limited to what you were born with, and there lies the importance of it. People should judge more by personality than by outer beauty, but your appearance can still say something about who you are.
What I mean is... do you take care of your hair, your skin, your attire? Sure, it may not be your first priority, but a bad appearance on things you CAN control can have an averse affect.

Saiyuki Cosplayer 03-03-2008 02:59 AM

I believe in both. Some people want a relationship with another solely based on looks, yet some of those relationships stay intact for the fact that the person (or people) are also beautiful on the inside, how they think, act....

I believe that true beauties have these both hand in hand. People want to be around them because they are beautiful people, but also for their beautiful mind and/or soul.

Gossy 03-05-2008 09:55 PM

There is no such thing as "inner beauty."

A person can be kind, smart, intelligent, funny, and compassionate - but all that has nothing to do with beauty.

Beauty is defined as something that is aesthetically pleasing that can be perceived by the senses. Most typically it refers to looks.

You are either beautiful or not. I don't think it matters that much. But I don't think personality traits should be described as "inner beauty"

Berginyon 03-05-2008 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gossy
There is no such thing as "inner beauty."

A person can be kind, smart, intelligent, funny, and compassionate - but all that has nothing to do with beauty.

Beauty is defined as something that is aesthetically pleasing that can be perceived by the senses. Most typically it refers to looks.

You are either beautiful or not. I don't think it matters that much. But I don't think personality traits should be described as "inner beauty"


So essentially "real beauty is on the inside" is just something ugly people say. :D

EpoxyObsession 03-05-2008 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gossy
There is no such thing as "inner beauty."

A person can be kind, smart, intelligent, funny, and compassionate - but all that has nothing to do with beauty.

Beauty is defined as something that is aesthetically pleasing that can be perceived by the senses. Most typically it refers to looks.

You are either beautiful or not. I don't think it matters that much. But I don't think personality traits should be described as "inner beauty"


There are some personality traits that manifest themselves physically. For instance, many shy people slouch, avert their eyes, and generally have shitty body language that makes them unattractive. Many expansive, fun people have outrageous body language that makes them physically charming despite average or slightly below average.

Fin Raziel 03-06-2008 01:36 AM

I'm just happy my girlfriend has both in bounty. I'm so lucky.

joih 03-15-2008 11:02 PM


I do believe in the prejudice you’re claiming. Outer beauty makes a lot of impact because people evaluate other people through impressions. So as much as people say that the outside appearance doesn’t count, truth is, it does count. For it is that outer appearance that creates the first impression.

My issue here is the relations made by people. I don’t think that inner beauty and outer beauty are related in any manner.

Some people would claim inner beauty is found in physically unfortunate people. Bah! They say it to comfort themselves. Not that I am really that attractive. I mean come on! Not all people who don’t look beautiful outside are beautiful inside.

Another batch are those people who assume good looking people are good. A lot of good looking people can be b**ches. So good looks has no relation to their behavior.

I just like to point that out since a lot of people are doing those assumptions.

Chinen Yuuri 03-18-2008 06:35 AM

Shall we presume that there were more good-looking men and women three decades ago than there are now, or shall we presume that while looks might have remained the same (or believe it, turned better) but it is the attitude of a man or a woman towards him or herself that has changed. Is it that we are constantly failing to understand the true meaning of beauty or the beauty is failing in getting us become good-looking? Something is missing somewhere. Let’s come to that later.

We always, and everywhere, try to be beautiful, and in the process a mirror becomes more personal to us than we are to ourselves. The process of becoming beautiful and looking good is so rapid that what we become is just an outward us. Is being beautiful so important? Even now we see the most popular people not so good-looking, and the most beautiful people next door not so popular. Does beauty really matter? Probably it does, particularly for people who have a dying preoccupation for the body and would go to any length to safeguard it. No wonder then, despite nearly thirty years of feminism, beauty industry is a multi-billion dollar a year business. Those who make money have a mind, and those who spend have forgotten they have it.

Least do we realize that we would look the way we are, and an expression on our face is actually the reflection of what we are from within? We can camouflage the exterior, but what can we do to the interior. Our goodness or badness, generosity or animosity, or love or hatred, all show somewhere here or somewhere there on our bodies. If we are good from within, our face reflects a mesmerizing state of goodness; if we are not, we clearly show it through our expressions.

Chii-chan 03-19-2008 01:08 AM

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Beauty is a characteristic of a person, place, object or idea that provides a perceptual experience of pleasure, meaning or satisfaction. Beauty is studied as part of aesthetics, sociology, social psychology and culture. As a cultural creation, beauty has been extremely commercialized.
The characterization of a person as €œbeautiful€, whether on an individual basis or by community consensus, is often based on some combination of inner beauty, which includes psychological factors such as personality, intelligence, grace, charm and elegance, and outer beauty, which includes physical factors, such as health, youthfulness, symmetry, averageness, and complexion.

A common way to measure outer beauty, as based on community consensus, or general opinion, is to stage a beauty pageant, such as Miss Universe. Inner beauty, however, is more difficult to quantify, though beauty pageants often claim to take this into consideration as well.
Inner beauty is a concept used to describe the positive aspects of something that is not physically observable.

While most species use physical traits and pheromones to attract mates, humans claim to rely on the inner beauty of their choices. Qualities including kindness, sensitivity, tenderness or compassion, creativity and intelligence have been said to be desirable since antiquity. However new research comparing what humans claim to find attractive to their actual mating habits underlines the superficiality of "inner beauty," underlining the fact that the human animal relies on physical traits and pheromones just like every other animal to find a mate. That said, whether "inner beauty" does or does not measurably affect humans' mating habits, some traits classified as "inner beauty" do give an evolutionary survival advantage to either the individual or mating couple or group or all three.
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Cheya 05-09-2008 08:21 PM

Pretty people were absolutely cruel to me and while I try to not bash them, I often find myself spitting the venom right back at them because really I HATE them. I feel less than human even when they don't cut at me. In all my self-hatred and the hate I feel for them, I believe that I have no inner beauty at all. I'm mean, jealous and always looking for ways to cast off my ugly shell.

Sweet Summer Day 05-14-2008 11:40 PM

Some people tell me im pretty
some say im beautiful
but most say im horrid

Sagitar 05-15-2008 09:46 PM

yeah I get what you mean... just because someone is beautiful on the outside doesn't mean she's a total bitch on the inside -.-
people often seem to categorize people (especially girls) in to two groups: the pretty and the bitchy ones, and the ugly and the nice ones...:roll:

sometimes the people who think they are SO beatiful on the inside, don't even notice how UGLY they actually are on the inside, since they bash the ones who are not beautiful inside/outside...

H_e_a_r_t 05-16-2008 01:26 AM

Haha, stereotying people who are girly is just wrong. so we went from ugly=evil to stylish=slut?
It's impossible to push wisdom inside people, which was what that slogan is trying to do...


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