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Witch 03-26-2007 07:34 AM

Inner Beauty is so over rated
 
  • *wave hands to Menewsha's debaters* My first thread in this sub-forum here...Have a big bite and chew on it throughly please....XD



    What's your oppinion regarding the Inner beauty versus Outer Beauty?

    Not only about female but also on male, or people in general?

    Do you ever think that Inner beauty is so over rated and that people tend to become prejudice to people with Outer beauty?


Witch 03-26-2007 07:40 AM

  • Personal oppinion is here:

    Ok, I've been hearing people in majority always promote on to this slogan on how outer beauties are not important and don't really matter because only inner beauty is the true beauty. The same thing that make them think that they are above those who are into fashion and make up, and those who devote themselves on such things are withouth any doubt must be vain, shallow, stupid, and biatches who don't really have any actual self-respect to themselves.

    Well that's a very optimistic view on other people. :roll:

    I never really put attention to that kind of comparison before, blindingly believed that such slogan was correct. But then I become exposed to a much brighter view on this matter and found out how lately people could be quite quick to be prejudice against other people who pay a bit more attention to their self appearances.

    For referrence, personally I think Pink's Stupid Girls song is actually kind of stupid because it's basically trying to say that girls who aren't into sports and who are into fashion and beauty products are usually stupid cheap man's hoes....Where are the closure about fashionista who also smart and have pleasant personalities? Oops, they're not exist in the ideal world of Inner beauty's idealists perhaps?
    On the other hand, specially regarding to this matter, of course Legally Blonde is one of my favorite movie.

    I believe that Outer beauty of course not holding the highest importance in life, but you can't simply brushed it aside because it is important. For that matter, you can't always use having inner beauty as shield and eternal excuse to not taking proper care of yourself.
    You can't go around not having a bath or a shower for weeks, keep your appearance unkept, ignoring personal hygene, and still holding on to the confident that at least your inner beauty will still showing up and that there will be very nice people out there who will take notice of it. The modern version and perfect example of classic damsel in distress who will wait for knight in shining armor mode. That's not inner beauty, that's self delusion!.

    ...That example above is what I have in mind when saying that Inner beauty has become so over rated that there are people who would regard it as the ideal way to see and expect to be seen from themselves and other people, without realising that either inner beauty or outer beauty, in reality both belong toand coming from the same person. Want to know, like or dislike, a person? Try to see and embrace both side of those two.


    ...am I rambling and close to babbling again? XD Sorry.


    Anyway, to wrap it up, in my oppinion a trully beautiful person is someone with inner beauty at least equally as strong as their outer beauty, and in response this person will also allowing their outer beauty to become as strong as the inner beauty.


Aerysta 03-26-2007 08:08 AM

Each form of beauty has its place. Sometimes an absence of one leads to more of the other (e.g. I know some people who suffer from physical deformities, thus never being able to achieve most people's ideal in terms of physical beauty, but who are some of the kindest people you'll ever meet).

I think in many ways what people mean by the old phrase about inner beauty is that if you have to choose one over the other, that's the one that's more important in the end (a sentiment which I would agree with). However, as you've noted in your post, that does not necessarily mean that someone who has outer beauty lacks inner beauty or is extremely vain. At the same time, it doesn't rule out vanity, either. Frankly, it's part of the reason I do my best to refrain from judging people where possible.

GainaSpirit 03-26-2007 09:01 AM

All people have a different sense of beauty. One person could find another incredible beautiful were other would only consider finding it normal. I think inner beauty came from that mostly.
The first thing we see when we meet a person, is the outer beauty anyway and for that, it'll never cease to take a big place in people life unless we all turn blind. That's why our society always as turned to physical care. The concept of beauty has change over the century but it always stayed with the same principle.
But most of the time outer beauty is just a facade that scather rapidly becaus when we begin to know the person, it's more of the inner beauty that we begin to see.
Plus outer beauty is really a strange concept as we consider things beautiful, things we are accustumed to see. The more we see it, the more the brain consider it normal and release pleasant feeling in our mind. But why do you see it more ? Because we hang around with that person, because we talk with that person, because we appreciate it's inner beauty.
Well, unless, we watch too much of top model things O.o

Falcon 03-26-2007 04:14 PM

My love has the most incredible outer-beauty, and inner beauty. I believe both beauties are necessary though for love. Like it's very hard to see inner beauty without it's counter outerbeauty. I don't believe in sole outer beauty existing. People's personalities usually reflect off of their looks. Someone who is born naturally gracefully looking is usually a graceful person, like my love. However, some people are not born attractive but have a beautiful personality, but I must admit it's rare. I mean most of the ugly people I know to be honest are very awkward people, and it reflects from their looks. Now if you're a cruel person, who's really shallow and all that, then you're probably covered in a fake 'beauty' which I don't consider a beauty at all. Makeup, constantly redone hair, blah, that's not beauty to me at all.

Okay, I know what I just said is very confusing and hard to follow but I really don't know how to explain it. @[email protected] Really there's only one person beautiful to me, with pure beauty, so when I'm talking about outer beauty and inner beauty in general, I'm not really talking about pure beauty. xD Again, this is confusing, and I'll bet it's almost impossible to understand unless you're in a similar love as me. xD

Jesus 03-26-2007 07:16 PM

Outer Beauty is for sex.

siaasgn 03-26-2007 07:50 PM

The outer beauty is important to a degree - everyone finds something different attractive - and there needs to be an initial attraction for a relationship to even have a chance.


Inner beauty is what keeps people friends or in meaningful relationships. A person who is ugly inside can only keep false friends or short term friends.

It is also possibly for a person's inner beauty make them seem more beautiful outside as well (or ugly if they are a nasty person)

I know I heard someone say about a friend once- "The more I get to know her the better she looks." Which to me meant that her great personality was able to shine through and 'change' her outer appearance.

So I guess this is a long winded way of saying both are very important - but ultimately the inner beauty is the longer lasting trait.

stilettolover 03-26-2007 08:12 PM

I think that the concept of "inner beauty" has been lost and forgotten. It's an excuse for not taking care of yourself. If you have inner beauty, it will shine through and show as outer beauty as well--if not necessarily ideal beauty.

Everyone is beautiful on the inside. Everyone has something about themselves that is wonderful and beautiful and it's not always visible to the eye.

I think you got the message of Pink's Stupid Girls wrong: She's making fun of certain girls (Paris Hilton, Jessica Simpson) and people who want to be like them--beauty turned to skanky. She's making fun of people who follow a fad just to be cool and not because they actually like that fad. I personally find Pink's messages to be strong and highly misunderstood. Oh my, isn't that the name of one of her albums? xD

I think people want inner beauty to be too literal. It's something you need to work at. People take it for granted.

Simplixity 03-26-2007 09:04 PM

Well...outer beauty is important.

I mean, whether you like to admit it or not, you already have your opinion of a person just by looking, and before you actually have a conversation with said person.

It is when said person "passes" your test that you decide to get to know him/her, and hence the inner beauty.

Then again, if a person is truly horrible, he/she won't have that many friends in the end anyways.

Yumi Mei Flower 03-26-2007 09:10 PM

Not exactly..... Most people with outer beauty get an inflated head or complain about how fat or ugly they are and it gets to the point were enough is enough... They need to stop fishing for compliments...


There are people who I've met who have both inner and outer beauty and most people won't be predjudice against people with with both...

It's the girls or guys who walk around like they own the world because they've become so vain and narcisstic, that people are prejudice against. That happens wether or not your beautiful.

Alegretto 03-26-2007 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus
Outer Beauty is for sex.

HAHAHA. That quote made my day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcon
However, some people are not born attractive but have a beautiful personality, but I must admit it's rare. I mean most of the ugly people I know to be honest are very awkward people, and it reflects from their looks.

Jerk. The hell does that supposed to mean? You obviously never tried getting to know them. in the teenage/young adult world, people are so stupidly into picking up people according to their looks. Spout all this 'inner beauty' shit you want, but face the facts- people judge others on looks almost all the time.

And where does that leave us not-pretty people? More often than not we're the outcasts. If not that, we're the brunt of the 'pretty' peoples' jokes. Of COURSE those types of people are shy and awkward in anything and everything. They're scared of being rejected or teased. And don't get preachy and give me shit about how "people never do that." They DO. I've been there.

Yumi Mei Flower 03-26-2007 09:20 PM

Amen!

stilettolover 03-26-2007 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yumi Mei Flower
Not exactly..... Most people with outer beauty get an inflated head or complain about how fat or ugly they are and it gets to the point were enough is enough... They need to stop fishing for compliments...

=\ Not everyone who is pretty has an inflated ego and I find it really shallow to use the word "most"; SOME people have an inflated ego. SOME girls in school are morons about how they look. Not ALL.

And please, anyone can act like that no matter WHAT they look like--it happens all the time. There are just people in this world who are jerks.

Have you ever thought about how horrible it might be to be pretty? Huh? People expect you to try and get by on your looks, that you should be shallow or stupid. People expect that you're a slut a tease or frigid. And for some off reason pretty=rich? WTH? So not true.

No matter what you look like, people are going to try to generalize about who you are and how you should act. So don't say "If you're this you're like this". It's ridiculous. It's stereotyping.

That is where inner beauty comes in-- instead of treating a person according to how they look, treat them how they act.

Yes, we judge people first on their looks, but we as reasonable beings can look beyond that and see people who their personalities. It's impossible to not notice how a person looks, but the important thing is not to dwell on it.

Oh, and I bet you're going to whine about that stupid group of girls in high school who acted like they ran the place... News flash: They're not the only pretty people in your school. Open up your eyes and realize that that personality type pervades every appearance, class, whatever.

Clavis 03-26-2007 11:21 PM

I've discovered something very interesting about faces. It seems that everyone (even people who would ordinarily be considered unattractive) has the possibility of appearing beautiful if you look at them from the right angle. For some, it's a profile; others look pretty straight-on; others might just seem attractive for a split second when they turn their head and you can only see a fraction of their face. It's also easier to find someone beautiful if you look at them more objectively--don't think "would I want to make out with/have sex with/get married to this person," but rather, look at their face as just a thing, not a person. This is nearly impossible for some people; it's easy for me because, as an artist, I tend to just naturally study faces and their features very objectively. But to the point: I think everyone has not just inner beauty, but outer beauty. Yes, even horribly deformed people. It's just harder to see the outer beauty on some people because society has drilled into our heads what we should consider "pretty" or "not pretty".

With my mini-rant aside: I think outer beauty has little importance other than leading people to discover one's inner beauty. And by "outer beauty" here I mean things like personal hygiene. If you look like you just fell out of a dumpster, people will be less likely to want to get to know you. There's really not much use for it beyond that.

P o i P o i i i 03-27-2007 03:45 AM

Outer beauty fades and inner beauty stays with you until you're gone.

What's the use of good physical attributes if your inner attributes aren't that good?

musado 03-27-2007 05:27 AM

i can't say i agree. though you are born with your face and body, the way you stand, your expression, and so much more come from your inner self. me, for example, can usually tell a person's general personality based on their faces and manners alone, even if i haven't spent more than five to ten minutes with them. occassionally i'm wrong, but mostly, my senses haven't failed me.

so in a way, one's outer beauty depends on inner beauty--at least for me. so i can't say that inner beauty is overrated, as it helps me determine the outer beauty as well.

seripha 03-27-2007 05:31 AM

I'm a big fan of both but I know my opinion of some one's outer beauty is really closely tied to what I perceive their inner beauty to be. I know some people that start off really good looking and then slowly start to look more and more average as I get to know them better just because I really don't have a high opinion of them as a person. I've also known some people that I really wasn't physically attracted to them initially but as I got to know them more and found out what a wonderful person they were, I started to find them much more good looking. Perhaps it's when I can see their soul in their face when they smile with sincerity that makes them that much more attractive.

But that all being said, if I find some one absolutely revolting no matter how beautiful on the inside they are I am still not going to find them hot or whatever. There's only so much inner beauty can do.

Celria 03-27-2007 05:39 AM

I would say inner beauty is more important than outer beauty, though it is possible to have both at once.

I'm more fond of the idea of 'natural' outer beauty though. While someone who wears all the latest fashions might indeed be very clever, wise, and worldly they're still playing into a construct that doesn't need to exist, and for the most part, is harmful.

Having a standard of beauty that is hard, or expensive to archive is a struggle for people without time, money etc. Having this standard of beauty hurts the self image of people who don't fit into to it, or have a hard time fitting into it. If 'natural' beauty (which doesn't mean say, overweight, just things like natural curves etc.) was closer to the artificial standards of beauty, I think there'd be a whole lot less problems for people trying to be 'beautiful'

I guess my problem with outer beauty is that the whole thing is so artificial.

lizzle 03-28-2007 03:55 AM

I think it's all completely relative. I think that people should try to be healthy in mind and body, and if they arn't.. they should strive to achieve it. A lot of people who are lonely, can't find significant others, are not taking the time to step back and look at themselves, and think about what they really have to offer to another person in a relationship. That whole.. "take me as I am" stuff.. it's an excuse to be lazy and uncompromising. You should be inspired to grow, and inspire your significant other to grow with you.

FinalBlackMage 03-28-2007 04:06 PM

I have to agree that Inner Beauty is over rated. I think people take the entire 'being shallow' issue the wrong way.

Media tells us what we believe to be beautiful and not beautiful, but this isn't natural. In a natural world, we would have our own views on beauty and ugly. Some people would like skinny, some would like more body to a person, but I think everyone would have a common feeling that the extremes were not attractive no matter what your personal natural attraction was.

Being physically attracted to someone is important in a relationship. A real relationship can't exist without it. And even if people say you are shallow for not dating someone for that reason, in the end you are in the right.

Inner beauty goes hand-in-hand with the outer, because if you don't like their personality, then you also can't have a relationship. One should never outweight the other.

It is true that if you are slightly attracted to someone, and you get to know them, that through their personality you will be more physically attracted to them, but the initial attraction still needs to exist.

Ebil 03-28-2007 04:16 PM

I'd like to believe that inner beauty was more important than outer beauty, but looking at the way society is at the moment, I think I'd be deluding myself.
The majority of famous people, people who we see getting paid stupid ammounts of money, people who we will buy their movies, CDs etc... most of those people, they have a lot of outer beauty and we drool over them and wish we could be like them.
It seems like outer beauty can make life easier for a lot of people, both financially and socially. So I guess I'll go with outer beauty being more important and I'll settle for being a bit shallow.

Caroline 03-30-2007 02:46 AM

Both outer beauty and inner beauty are important to me. I cannot stand being around someone with a bad personality no matter how pretty they are. I will admit though, I'd put up with them longer than I would someone whom I considered unattactive.

Lennifer 03-30-2007 07:36 PM

  • I think it is overrated to a point. Although, I also think they're both ovverated

    but I like the basis, that even though inner beauty maybe does mater, and it matters in the long run. However, the second you see someone, if they're really good looking, most people sometimes immediately assume 'Oh they're going to be a twat' Or something like that, from my own personal experience, and that might not be true. Or even in some cases, some people think they'll be stupid, and I think it is unfair. The same goes for someone not so good looking, People sometimes seem to assume 'They look awful, but hey they'll probably be lovely' Now I'm taking this from experience, from the way the people around me sometimes think.

    My own view is, you just don't know. But I think it's unfair to judge somone on appearence, and I also thinks it's unfair to assume because of their looks if they'll be nice or not without getting to know anything, it could be completely the opposite, I know many good looking (males from my eyes) people that are very nice and as said good looking, but I also know people who're the opposite. And i'm pretty sure that sometimes they get there personalities judged without someone even knowning them because of their looks, and people only attribute 'inner beauty' to not such good looking people. Am I making any sense?

    I have to say though, from experience I've known people who aren't particularly excellent looking, and I find unattractive, and they have a really awful personality. It doesn't matter what someone looks like, they can have a really bad personality or a really good personality whatever. People tend to be fickle, if someone's pretty and gorgeous looking, then it's likely that they'll get more attention and people will be more willing to get to know them. I'm not sure if I made any sense at all just then. But Basically I think that both are important to some degree and people have very different opinons on whats attractive.

ScarletStratholme 03-31-2007 06:03 AM

If you had to choose between inner and outer beauty, I'd go with inner.

The reason it seems there are a lot of times when you find one without the other is that outer beauty makes people flatter you, pamper you, spoil you often times and it leads to vain snotty people. Not always, but one example, of when outer and inner aren't found together. Inner beauty can sometimes be found when the person was deformed, or too short, too tall, too fat, etc. for some time, and so they sympathize more with others, they understand better, they listen better, they're not as spoiled etc.

Usually you find some degree of both in people though. But...I think in the end, inner beauty is like a godzillion times more important. Outer beauty DOES fade. And even if someone has a ton of outer beauty, she becomes insta-bitch if she has no inner beauty, and she becomes more and more vile and ugly in your eyes...whereas someone who is just average for looks but is incredibly beautiful inside becomes more and more beautiful to you. If someone were really really really ugly outside but really beautiful inside, you might still love them, though not lust after them. But at the same time...if someone's really ugly inside, so vile it makes you nauseated thinking of them, you wouldn't lust after them either...nor would you love them. So at least with the ugly outside pretty inside girl, you'd love them. With the ugly inside pretty outside, you wouldn't lust after them nor love them.

Kaenai 04-07-2007 01:56 AM

  • I actually like Pink's song, because I see it for what it is. It's a song about stupid attitudes toward using one's beauty for personal gain, even though said 'gain' is only a temporary, and often cheap thing to be won.

    It's not really about pretty girls being dumb at all. I consider many people I know 'pretty girls', but none of them have that 'stupid girl' attitude. They possess the inner qualities that make them stand out from the other 'beautiful people'.

    It is those inner qualities that make the difference, in the long run. If you don't have them, then the song is about you. If you do have them, then the song is not.


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