Originally Posted by FinalBlackMage

I'm bi myself, but I sort of have a problem with the marriage thing. I just think it should be a different instituion with different laws regarding taxes and such. I also don't agree with gay couples adopting. If it's true that it's a mental thing and not a choice, and they naturally choose the sex that they can't procreate with, it's hard for me to think they would also have the natural feeling to want to have children. I know, every orphan would love to have two mothers or two father rather than none, but it's such a grey issue. Nothing I've even said isn't grey in my head, I just honestly don't know because both sides seem positive and negative.

The only problem I have with this post is you talk like people should want to have children of there own and if they don't want to, then they shouldn't have sex no matter with who. Because you can't say that two men can't have sex because they don't want to have children, and say that a man and a women can have sex even though they don't want children.

I considered for a long time whether or not to have my own children or adopt. I'm straight if this matters any at all. Just because I don't want to have sex with the intent of having children doesn't mean I didn't want children of my own...or have sex for that matter.

There are people out there who don't want their own children, but want children to have, to raise. And, they're probably still having sex with their spouse. Sex without the intent to reproduce.

Personally, I dislike the "hate the sin, love the sinner" approach. I don't understand how you can love someone for who they are, and hate one of the main things that makes them who they are at the same time.

It also implies that people who are in a loving, monogamous, comitted relationship and are jsut getting on with living their lives are sinners. Which I personally think should be a term reserved for those people who are committing the BIG crimes. Like murder. The idea that the two are comparable I find offensive.

Thou shalt not be homosexual didn't make it into the 10 commandments after all. Yet we are still happily saying "Oh my god!" which DID make it in and is therefore worse, but everyone does it!). We also support killing in the form of wars, work on sundays, and fight with our parents.

But I'm not a christian, so I can merrily ignore all bible-based arguments :) I've actually yet to hear a non-religious argument apart from "it's unatural". And to my mind love is the most natural thing in the world.

Same, I'm not Christian or religious for that matter. Therefore those arguements don't apply to me, so how are you going to tell me it's wrong and not use religion?

You can't.

Plain and simple. There's no justifiable reason that's not personal in only in their mind that makes it wrong.

Divorce harms marriage more then two women wanting to be in a relationship. Why aren't we targeting that?

My counter to the unnatural argument is that perhaps it is nature's way to try and help control the population.


I don't understand people who assume that because you are 'straight' they want babies - I have been with my boyfriend for almost 7 years, been having sex and do not want or have children. If I do get pregnant . . well . . . I'll deal with that when it comes up - but sex is more than just making babies, it's an expression of love and anyone is capable of love - even when they can't make a baby.

Lol, when I was a kid... it never even occurred to me that two people of the same gender being together could be "wrong" in any sense.

I don't have a problem with people showing their alternative lifestyle as long as it is not being crammed down my throat. Like someone else said, what they do in their bedroom is their business.
However, I don't agree that two people of the same sex should marry or bring children into this world.

Just out of curiosity - why do you feel that same sex couple should not marry?

Is it just in the eyes of the church, or do you feel the same sex couple should not have the same legal rights as mixed couples?

• I know plenty of bisexual and homosexual individuals. They're not as different as some people make them out to be, which drives me crazy. No matter the sexual orientation, they are just people that want to feel accepted. They want to be happy and quite possibly find someone they can actually love. I have no problems with gay couples like some of the more religious people do.
  
  I saw someone make a comment about gay marriage. There is a lot of controversy on this topic but honestly, if two people want to spend their lives together why not let them? Of course, they don't have to be married to spend their lives together but... I think of marriage like a pledge. Pledging to love that one person and no one else.

• Originally Posted by FinalBlackMage

  I also don't agree with gay couples adopting. If it's true that it's a mental thing and not a choice, and they naturally choose the sex that they can't procreate with, it's hard for me to think they would also have the natural feeling to want to have children. I know, every orphan would love to have two mothers or two father rather than none, but it's such a grey issue.

• I don't agree with this. I know plenty of people regardless of their sexuality that want to have children. Sexual preference does not change whether or not the couple (or individuals) would be good parents. I think there are too many orphans that would give anything to have parents for people to discriminate against able-bodied individuals that want kids just because they happen to be gay.
  
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  This is just my opinion on the subject.
  Not saying anyone else's opinions are wrong or anything.

I have the hardest time figuring out how I feel on homosexuality.
I thought I was bisexual for a long time I even experiemented with the same sex once and always thought I'd like to try again but with my ex-husband there was a very bad situation there. He was trying to force me into threesomes and just lots of other stuff. Anyways, I now know that I'm not bisexual but I do have great appreciation for beauty I think that's the artist side of me that would get confused with my sexual orientation.

I don't hate people who are homosexual but I wonder how many may have just been confused like me. I don't really know if it's something your born with or not. That's always seemed like the lamest excuse ever but who knows -shrugs-

I do have friends who are homosexual and I care for them but I honestly don't think I'd be okay if one day my kids were to tell me they were gay.

Originally Posted by Rvaya

I have the hardest time figuring out how I feel on homosexuality.
I thought I was bisexual for a long time I even experiemented with the same sex once and always thought I'd like to try again but with my ex-husband there was a very bad situation there. He was trying to force me into threesomes and just lots of other stuff. Anyways, I now know that I'm not bisexual but I do have great appreciation for beauty I think that's the artist side of me that would get confused with my sexual orientation.

I don't hate people who are homosexual but I wonder how many may have just been confused like me. I don't really know if it's something your born with or not. That's always seemed like the lamest excuse ever but who knows -shrugs-

I do have friends who are homosexual and I care for them but I honestly don't think I'd be okay if one day my kids were to tell me they were gay.

DDx, That's what I worry my parents would be like.
But oddly enough, I do think that it's "born"

yeah it sounds bad but at this point that's how I'd feel. Not that I even have kids are am I planning to in say the next 5 years.

Well, good luck xDD

Originally Posted by tigerangel

I don't have a problem with people showing their alternative lifestyle as long as it is not being crammed down my throat. Like someone else said, what they do in their bedroom is their business.
However, I don't agree that two people of the same sex should marry or bring children into this world.

Gays have no different lifestyles than you or me. There is nothing different about aside from who you are dating.

And why should gays and lesbians not have children? Or even marry?

And an response to it's not natural, it is. There have been documented in the wild of over 400 different animal spieces being homosexual. often many of them are those who mate for life, and there are even cases with penguins apodting unwanted eggs. Aw, how cute gay penguins with eggs, and little penguins.

I have no problem with it at all.

Everyone is entitled to their own sexual preference.

Granted, I don't want to see groping in public but I don't want to see that at all no matter if the couple is male/female or same sex. It's just something that should be done in private and not in public places.

As for marriage, I say if you are happy with each other, go for it.

Originally Posted by fongmingyun

Lol, when I was a kid... it never even occurred to me that two people of the same gender being together could be "wrong" in any sense.

We're all born with our minds open :) (phyiscally too, ugh)

I never imagined there was anything different about people with darker skin than me, and I was shocked when the television told me that there was (there isn't, but it's still trying to tell me there is).

Originally Posted by tigerangel

what they do in their bedroom is their business.
However, I don't agree that two people of the same sex should marry or bring children into this world.

If what people do in their bedrooms is their own buisness, why is them getting married anybody else's buisness but their own?

Where getting children is concerned, I hear the statistics aren't favourable. But you can't generalise and deny a significant proportion of the population the right. I wouldn't argue with homosexual couples being watched a little more closely when they adopt, if it would satisfy the demographic that decides it controls what's right.

I don't feel it's wrong - it's just another lifestyle. I couldn't care less if someone wants to marry a man or a woman, adopt children with a same sex partner, or even walk hand-in-hand down the beach together. It's none of my business because it's not harming me. :) And I don't think it harms anyone else either - not even the children being adopted because it's not going to "turn them gay". By that reckoning, everyone brought up by straight couples would be straight. :/

I have nothing against homosexuals, since I myself am bi. I do find it annoying, however, that so many people these days {mostly young teenagers} claim they are gay or bi, just because they think it's the fashionable thing to do. I know that it hurts people. What if you told someone you were gay, and a person of the same gender had feelings for you? Then you tell them that you were only 'experimenting'? That person would probably be hurt. . . It's so bothersome.
I think gay marriage should be allowed. All people, in love, should have the right to be legally wed. In my mind, it's similar to the time when races were not supposed to marry outside of their color. Now? Most people don't have a problem with it. . . I certainly don't. I hope one day, as this topic becomes less taboo to more people, that it will be more willingly accepted.
As for adopting children. . . I think that they should be allowed to do so. There are so many children who are looking for a family right now. It would be great to give that to them. . . Also, many gay couples would make wonderful parents. Twice the motherly love? That would be wonderful for them.

I agree with everything Kafine has said on this subject, although, unlike her, I am Christian - I suppose in this instance I'm not a very good one? Or perhaps I'm a great one - it depends on how you look it, really ;)

Anyway, I don't have a problem with homosexuality - or with people "flaunting" it, or with people pretending/claiming to be bisexual/homosexual/other. The "straight" lifestyle is flaunted non-step in all medias; most people don't have a problem with it because it fits in with standards of normality - that it happens is frequently not even noticed because being straight is the norm.

Some garish displays of homosexual culture are completely obnoxious to me, so are a lot of straight displays; sexuality isn't the focus in these situations - being obnoxious is.

As for experimentation/fads - I don't know ... if someone is unsure, should they keep it to themselves? It's hard to experiment in the dark, so I don't have anything against people trying to find their place in their world (which I think entering into communities - homosexual ones or other - displaying one's preferences, and acting on one's feelings is part of).

I really don't have a problem with any sexualities.
I've never concerned myself with other peoples sexual prefferences and other peoples decisions. I don't think it's right for me to judge others for that. I've always felt that other peoples sexualities are really none of my business.

If someone's gay, straight, bi, whatever-sexual, I don't understand why it would matter to me or anyone else.
If I'm looking for a partner, sure it's nice to know if they swing my way, but other than that I can't for the life of me understand why some get their panties in a bunch about other peoples sexualities o.0

I personally don't believe that as a gay man I should raise kids. But I would never say that other gay men shouldn't as I don't see why I would have the right to say something like that to another person.

What bothers me is that so many seem to judge people just for their sexuality without knowing anything else about them >.<

Not just negative judgements, but also the ones who say "Gay men are hot" and other bullshit like that. It just seems stupid and pointless.

To me, judging someone based on their sexuality alone is as bad as if you judge someone purely based on the colour of their skin or their religion.
Sexuality isn't the be all and end all of a person, there's a heck of a lot more to someone than just being "homosexual".

The only concern I would have about gay couples adopting children is that the kids,m even if they're okay with thier parents, may end up being ridiculed/ostracized because of their gay parents.

Originally Posted by fongmingyun

The only concern I would have about gay couples adopting children is that the kids,m even if they're okay with thier parents, may end up being ridiculed/ostracized because of their gay parents.

You know, kids will make fun of anything. Does not matter if you give the most boring name, with the most standard parents, hell, even that becomes a reason to make fun of kids.

Hell, everytime I hear this, i think back to a Malcom in the Middle episode. Where they parents are say something about one of the nieghbor kids having 2 dads. Reese is like "That would be awesome to have 2 dads."

Which is what I could see many young boys thinking. Now from what I've read of kids growing up with Gay and Lesbian parents is that it is no different with how they are treated.

Originally Posted by fongmingyun

The only concern I would have about gay couples adopting children is that the kids,m even if they're okay with thier parents, may end up being ridiculed/ostracized because of their gay parents.

Akasha said before me: Kids get ridiculed for all sorts of things. There is a good chance that just about every child going through school will be bullied and teased at least once.

What needs to be done is people need to be more accepting and tolerant. There are cases of the children of homosexual couples getting picked on and what is troubling is people blame the gay parents for being gay and wanting a child and not the parents who encouraged their kids to become hate mongorers.

And what would you say about gay couples who have natural children? Gay men get surrogate mothers and lesbians get sperm donors very frequently. Biology won't prevent that child from being teased--should homosexuals not be allowed to have their own children?

Don't think I'm attacking you here--I'm trying to break open your stance and get you to view the bigger picture.

I have to agree with Akasha and Stiletto. Just because they're gay doesn't mean they would be bad parents. Just because homosexuality is probably biological doesn't mean that wipes out maternal instinct. How do explain heterosexual women and men with no maternal/paternal instict?

And kids are going to be teased no matter what. If we're trying to "protect" children, why don't we outlaw parents naming their kids strange names, like "Gaylord". Even I got picked on, since I have a boys name.

I don't think being Gay eliminates you from being able to raise children or have a succesful marriage - society does that on it's own.

Originally Posted by Jupiter

I agree with everything Kafine has said on this subject, although, unlike her, I am Christian - I suppose in this instance I'm not a very good one? Or perhaps I'm a great one - it depends on how you look it, really ;)

:D

I would consider you a good christian in that respect, as I was lead to understand that not judging people or discriminating against people was a very important part of christianity :)

Originally Posted by momus

And kids are going to be teased no matter what. If we're trying to "protect" children, why don't we outlaw parents naming their kids strange names, like "Gaylord".

That's a very good point!

It bugs me when straight couples kiss all over and are like drooling on one another in public...and it bugs me if it's a gay couple or lesbian couple doing that too.

I don't care if any couple holds hands, kisses, etc..just like, don't have sex in front of me, I don't really care to see that, you know? -.o' Have some form of modesty at the very least, and not act all whore-ish?

I don't mind gay couples expressing themselves, or lesbians doing that, or straight people...what bugs me is when they're making such a show that you know it HAS to be for attention. -_o'