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Kris 07-19-2007 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Eimi
why do we need a white history month??? we dont really since our history text books represents our white history plenty well...unlike the histories of native americans, african americans, and hispanics...those i believe deserve a month devoted to their history because the books dont even come close to telling us their history...we see white history all throughout the year..what about columbus day?? and crap like that...i feel there is no need for white history month or even famous guys in history month...but i do think we should have more minority history months so we can actually learn about what our history texts books didnt tell us about...you should really read a book called: The Lies my teacher told me...i recommend to everyone...

I've said this before and I'll say it again: not all things in history focus on white history, and since most people in the world are African, we are technically a minority. Columbus Day celebrates one man, not a whole race. Just because the white culture has prominate people does not mean every holiday celebrating one celebrates all of the race.

Eimi 07-19-2007 10:57 PM

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why do we need a white history month??? we dont really since our history text books represents our white history plenty well...unlike the histories of native americans, african americans, and hispanics...those i believe deserve a month devoted to their history because the books dont even come close to telling us their history...we see white history all throughout the year..what about columbus day?? and crap like that...i feel there is no need for white history month or even famous guys in history month...but i do think we should have more minority history months so we can actually learn about what our history texts books didnt tell us about...you should really read a book called: The Lies my teacher told me...i recommend to everyone...

I've said this before and I'll say it again: not all things in history focus on white history, and since most people in the world are African, we are technically a minority. Columbus Day celebrates one man, not a whole race. Just because the white culture has prominate people does not mean every holiday celebrating one celebrates all of the race.

we white folk are the minority??? that makes me laugh...i would like you to name me even a couple of times where you felt you were the minority in public or in school..or anywhere you go...now if you have felt that way..imagine how it feels like to live with that every single day...at least in the United States the population is mainly white people..ive never felt like the minority..unless it was when i was in a class full of guys...and read the post i posted above for my response all these culture histories in classes..cause i never had any opportunity to take such classes cause they didnt exist

Eimi 07-19-2007 11:11 PM

OH and i also recommend besides the book "Lies my teacher told me" i recommend the movie "White Man's Burden" for a little role reversal..it will open your eyes to many thing..including how white our television is...i watched this movie in my Racism in Mass Media class..its a good watch...

Kris 07-23-2007 12:33 AM

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why do we need a white history month??? we dont really since our history text books represents our white history plenty well...unlike the histories of native americans, african americans, and hispanics...those i believe deserve a month devoted to their history because the books dont even come close to telling us their history...we see white history all throughout the year..what about columbus day?? and crap like that...i feel there is no need for white history month or even famous guys in history month...but i do think we should have more minority history months so we can actually learn about what our history texts books didnt tell us about...you should really read a book called: The Lies my teacher told me...i recommend to everyone...

I've said this before and I'll say it again: not all things in history focus on white history, and since most people in the world are African, we are technically a minority. Columbus Day celebrates one man, not a whole race. Just because the white culture has prominate people does not mean every holiday celebrating one celebrates all of the race.

we white folk are the minority??? that makes me laugh...i would like you to name me even a couple of times where you felt you were the minority in public or in school..or anywhere you go...now if you have felt that way..imagine how it feels like to live with that every single day...at least in the United States the population is mainly white people..ive never felt like the minority..unless it was when i was in a class full of guys...and read the post i posted above for my response all these culture histories in classes..cause i never had any opportunity to take such classes cause they didnt exist

See, you know nothing about me. I could give you long list of things that would make people treat me differently, make me feel like a minority, but I won't.

But I can also tell you that people of other races are treated better in my school: the school is so afraid that these people will sue or something they let them make fun of other races. My school is basically half white, half black; they printed the stats a while ago, but I don't want to release the personal information like what school I go to. xD;; But, the white children, if we mummer anything that could be taken offensively to the black children, then we get suspended. If the black children call us cracker, whitie, or anything derogatory name against our race, what happens? Nothing. I realize their race has gone through bad things, but that's no reason to treat them differently. I'm half Scottish and half Irish, both of which were treated by shit to the English, but does that give me a right to make fun of them and treat like shit for what happened in the past? No.

So why on Earth may the people of a decent that my family had nothing to with be able to treat me badly, unable to celebrate our heritage, and many other things for things that we did not do?

H_e_a_r_t 07-23-2007 02:10 AM

i say we end the whole race celebrating altogether. It only fuels discrimination even more...

Kris 07-23-2007 05:21 AM

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Its to Depressing.
thats why.

That is not a good reason by any means.

The Japanese forced the Chinese to prostitute for them.
The Hawaiian Queen killed herself when she felt she failed her people.
The Aztec had games in which they'd play til death, they'd kill other tribes, enslave their women, and murder the children.
The Spanish killed thousands of Indians.
The Iraqis killed million on September 11th, in the famous terrorist attacks.
The tribes of Africa constantly fought, slaughtered, and enslaved one another.

Do you see my point?

Ocean Rose Soldier 07-23-2007 04:20 PM

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Conversly, there are black activist groups that are sick of people saying "Lets not look at race, we should all be equal, and race shouldn't matter!" because it means people start ignoring the very real problems regarding racism that people of colour are still having to deal with.

I agree. When you become "color blind", you start pretending or cannot see that racism still exists. Black History, Chinese History, and other months are not there to sepearate races, it exists to educate other people about the races. If we all mixed everything together it'd be confusing and hard to find in libraries. White history already does exist. I'm not trying to be immature, but think about it. America's majority is White, meaning, White people did accomplish a lot of things in America, they educate children about the history of America (which was made by Whites), thus meaning that American History=White History. Sad,but true. All these histories exist to foster equality, and what's wrong with pointing out the differences? That's what makes us all special.

Ocean Rose Soldier 07-23-2007 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Eimi
why do we need a white history month??? we dont really since our history text books represents our white history plenty well...unlike the histories of native americans, african americans, and hispanics...those i believe deserve a month devoted to their history because the books dont even come close to telling us their history...we see white history all throughout the year..what about columbus day?? and crap like that...i feel there is no need for white history month or even famous guys in history month...but i do think we should have more minority history months so we can actually learn about what our history texts books didnt tell us about...you should really read a book called: The Lies my teacher told me...i recommend to everyone...

I've said this before and I'll say it again: not all things in history focus on white history, and since most people in the world are African, we are technically a minority. Columbus Day celebrates one man, not a whole race. Just because the white culture has prominate people does not mean every holiday celebrating one celebrates all of the race.

Of course not. "Some Asians and those there Blacks did such and such...moving on." . =/ It's like a small percentage in American history books that involves any other race besides White. If it weren't for Black History Month, the only Black person I thought had a big impact on America or any state of America would've been Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Kris 07-23-2007 04:25 PM

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Conversly, there are black activist groups that are sick of people saying "Lets not look at race, we should all be equal, and race shouldn't matter!" because it means people start ignoring the very real problems regarding racism that people of colour are still having to deal with.

I agree. When you become "color blind", you start pretending or cannot see that racism still exists. Black History, Chinese History, and other months are not there to sepearate races, it exists to educate other people about the races. If we all mixed everything together it'd be confusing and hard to find in libraries. White history already does exist. I'm not trying to be immature, but think about it. America's majority is White, meaning, White people did accomplish a lot of things in America, they educate children about the history of America (which was made by Whites), thus meaning that American History=White History. Sad,but true. All these histories exist to foster equality, and what's wrong with pointing out the differences? That's what makes us all special.

When we celebrate "black history" in my school, we learn about Africa and their culture there, not black history in America. So why can't we learn about European history during some white history month? Do you honestly think it's fair that while we can learn about Africian heritage, which is indeed interesting and fun to learn about, that we can't can't have a reason to celebrate white heritage as well? Europe has many beautiful cultures and people, just like the rest of the world.

Ocean Rose Soldier 07-23-2007 04:35 PM

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Conversly, there are black activist groups that are sick of people saying "Lets not look at race, we should all be equal, and race shouldn't matter!" because it means people start ignoring the very real problems regarding racism that people of colour are still having to deal with.

I agree. When you become "color blind", you start pretending or cannot see that racism still exists. Black History, Chinese History, and other months are not there to separate races, it exists to educate other people about the races. If we all mixed everything together it'd be confusing and hard to find in libraries. White history already does exist. I'm not trying to be immature, but think about it. America's majority is White, meaning, White people did accomplish a lot of things in America, they educate children about the history of America (which was made by Whites), thus meaning that American History=White History. Sad,but true. All these histories exist to foster equality, and what's wrong with pointing out the differences? That's what makes us all special.

When we celebrate "black history" in my school, we learn about Africa and their culture there, not black history in America. So why can't we learn about European history during some white history month? Do you honestly think it's fair that while we can learn about African heritage, which is indeed interesting and fun to learn about, that we can't can't have a reason to celebrate white heritage as well? Europe has many beautiful cultures and people, just like the rest of the world.

I never really disregarded the idea of someone celebrating White heritage. I also learned about Africa through Black History. I just think the people who are spouting such would hardly even celebrate it, or aknowledge the day, yet they argue for it so enthusiastically.

The other arguement I'm more concerned with is that people think by eliminating these months, racism will just magically up and vanish. It's not the history months, it's the people. In actuality, history months are educating and eliminating racism in racist people. Let's say a rule at my school has changed:I can wear regular clothes and non uniforms. Ok, I get to express myself, and everyone starts laughing at me because I don't have the latest gear on, so because people are getting into fights and teased to no end because of this, the authorities go back to making students go in uniform. Ok,so I'm in my uniform, wearing my black shoes like everyone else is. No discrimination there? Wrong. I'm not wearing the "right" brand! Story short, people will find new and other ways to hate one another.

Kris 07-23-2007 04:46 PM

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Conversly, there are black activist groups that are sick of people saying "Lets not look at race, we should all be equal, and race shouldn't matter!" because it means people start ignoring the very real problems regarding racism that people of colour are still having to deal with.

I agree. When you become "color blind", you start pretending or cannot see that racism still exists. Black History, Chinese History, and other months are not there to separate races, it exists to educate other people about the races. If we all mixed everything together it'd be confusing and hard to find in libraries. White history already does exist. I'm not trying to be immature, but think about it. America's majority is White, meaning, White people did accomplish a lot of things in America, they educate children about the history of America (which was made by Whites), thus meaning that American History=White History. Sad,but true. All these histories exist to foster equality, and what's wrong with pointing out the differences? That's what makes us all special.

When we celebrate "black history" in my school, we learn about Africa and their culture there, not black history in America. So why can't we learn about European history during some white history month? Do you honestly think it's fair that while we can learn about African heritage, which is indeed interesting and fun to learn about, that we can't can't have a reason to celebrate white heritage as well? Europe has many beautiful cultures and people, just like the rest of the world.

I never really disregarded the idea of someone celebrating White heritage. I also learned about Africa through Black History. I just think the people who are spouting such would hardly even celebrate it, or aknowledge the day, yet they argue for it so enthusiastically.

If someone wanted St. Patrick's Day, would you say the same thing?
I don't know about you, but being from a part Irish family, every year on that day, my mom makes a lot of Irish food, and I usually read something about Ireland. With a white history month, or day, I'd have a reason to celebrate my heritage with others, like people do with their heritage months.

Ocean Rose Soldier 07-23-2007 04:53 PM

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Conversly, there are black activist groups that are sick of people saying "Lets not look at race, we should all be equal, and race shouldn't matter!" because it means people start ignoring the very real problems regarding racism that people of colour are still having to deal with.

I agree. When you become "color blind", you start pretending or cannot see that racism still exists. Black History, Chinese History, and other months are not there to separate races, it exists to educate other people about the races. If we all mixed everything together it'd be confusing and hard to find in libraries. White history already does exist. I'm not trying to be immature, but think about it. America's majority is White, meaning, White people did accomplish a lot of things in America, they educate children about the history of America (which was made by Whites), thus meaning that American History=White History. Sad,but true. All these histories exist to foster equality, and what's wrong with pointing out the differences? That's what makes us all special.

When we celebrate "black history" in my school, we learn about Africa and their culture there, not black history in America. So why can't we learn about European history during some white history month? Do you honestly think it's fair that while we can learn about African heritage, which is indeed interesting and fun to learn about, that we can't can't have a reason to celebrate white heritage as well? Europe has many beautiful cultures and people, just like the rest of the world.

I never really disregarded the idea of someone celebrating White heritage. I also learned about Africa through Black History. I just think the people who are spouting such would hardly even celebrate it, or aknowledge the day, yet they argue for it so enthusiastically.

If someone wanted St. Patrick's Day, would you say the same thing?
I don't know about you, but being from a part Irish family, every year on that day, my mom makes a lot of Irish food, and I usually read something about Ireland. With a white history month, or day, I'd have a reason to celebrate my heritage with others, like people do with their heritage months.

I don't know if I would. I'm just going by what I've read on these forums.(Not just Men,other sites). I seem to always get that impression. I really don't mind if it exist, but don't exist just-cause other histories exists. Have a reason for it.

Kris 07-23-2007 04:56 PM

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Conversly, there are black activist groups that are sick of people saying "Lets not look at race, we should all be equal, and race shouldn't matter!" because it means people start ignoring the very real problems regarding racism that people of colour are still having to deal with.

I agree. When you become "color blind", you start pretending or cannot see that racism still exists. Black History, Chinese History, and other months are not there to separate races, it exists to educate other people about the races. If we all mixed everything together it'd be confusing and hard to find in libraries. White history already does exist. I'm not trying to be immature, but think about it. America's majority is White, meaning, White people did accomplish a lot of things in America, they educate children about the history of America (which was made by Whites), thus meaning that American History=White History. Sad,but true. All these histories exist to foster equality, and what's wrong with pointing out the differences? That's what makes us all special.

When we celebrate "black history" in my school, we learn about Africa and their culture there, not black history in America. So why can't we learn about European history during some white history month? Do you honestly think it's fair that while we can learn about African heritage, which is indeed interesting and fun to learn about, that we can't can't have a reason to celebrate white heritage as well? Europe has many beautiful cultures and people, just like the rest of the world.

I never really disregarded the idea of someone celebrating White heritage. I also learned about Africa through Black History. I just think the people who are spouting such would hardly even celebrate it, or aknowledge the day, yet they argue for it so enthusiastically.

If someone wanted St. Patrick's Day, would you say the same thing?
I don't know about you, but being from a part Irish family, every year on that day, my mom makes a lot of Irish food, and I usually read something about Ireland. With a white history month, or day, I'd have a reason to celebrate my heritage with others, like people do with their heritage months.

I don't know if I would. I'm just going by what I've read on these forums.(Not just Men,other sites). I seem to always get that impression. I really don't mind if it exist, but don't exist just-cause other histories exists. Have a reason for it.

So what are the reasons for the other history months?

Ocean Rose Soldier 07-23-2007 05:09 PM

I posted those above and White history could be used for the same thing others have history months for: to educate and foster equality. There's a lot of history months. I can't really say.

Mimi Lara 07-23-2007 06:41 PM

To tell the honest truth, and please no one shoot me here because I am only being one hundred percent honest. People see everyday as being white history month. They see the fact that the White Race ((figurementavely, because in reality there is no such thing)) is the domanent race around us as being an insult. If we where to promote a white history month the hispanics and the blacks((more specifically the blacks because they are more dominent then hispanics)) whould call us out on racism for trying to make our race any more predominent then it already is. I know this may seem harsh but its really the way it is. People call out to claim equality but there really is no such thing....no matter how hard we strive for it. For instance lets just take the work quota issue. Two people can walk into a job one a white male the other a black male....if that company has not hit there required quota....the black male is more likely to get the job....even if the white male is better qualified for the position. Its not really fair at all but sadly that is life. We can fight it as much as we want but nothing will change....

Spatterdash 07-23-2007 08:19 PM

*eye-roll*

Privileged people are such whiners. Gay pride, Black History Month... when a minority gets something special, the privilege bitch and moan like it's as bad as segregation or whatever. It's pathetic, really. If you're white, middle-class, heterosexual, male and able-bodied, you have no right to whinge about discrimination because society revolves around you and your interests. You're seen as the default, the standard, and everything else is the Other.

When you don't have the right to vote or get married to the person you love, then you'll have a valid case of discrimination, but a history month? Pfft, it's just a well-intentioned attempt to redress the balance of what's gone before.

Kris 07-23-2007 08:22 PM

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*eye-roll*

Privileged people are such whiners. Gay pride, Black History Month... when a minority gets something special, the privilege bitch and moan like it's as bad as segregation or whatever. It's pathetic, really. If you're white, middle-class, heterosexual, male and able-bodied, you have no right to whinge about discrimination because society revolves around you and your interests. You're seen as the default, the standard, and everything else is the Other.

When you don't have the right to vote or get married to the person you love, then you'll have a valid case of discrimination, but a history month? Pfft, it's just a well-intentioned attempt to redress the balance of what's gone before.

You're complaining about whining...and yet...You're whole post is nothing but whining, about people whining?

Hypocritical if you ask me.

Ocean Rose Soldier 07-23-2007 11:35 PM

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*eye-roll*

Privileged people are such whiners. Gay pride, Black History Month... when a minority gets something special, the privilege bitch and moan like it's as bad as segregation or whatever. It's pathetic, really. If you're white, middle-class, heterosexual, male and able-bodied, you have no right to whinge about discrimination because society revolves around you and your interests. You're seen as the default, the standard, and everything else is the Other.

When you don't have the right to vote or get married to the person you love, then you'll have a valid case of discrimination, but a history month? Pfft, it's just a well-intentioned attempt to redress the balance of what's gone before.

I dont understand why people still complain about the month not being made,expecting it to poof and appear. All of them should get together and protest it and actually start practcing White History Month. In a way, I do agree with you. It does seem like everytime a minority gets something special, the majority complain about it.

Mimi Lara 07-24-2007 04:40 AM

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*eye-roll*

Privileged people are such whiners. Gay pride, Black History Month... when a minority gets something special, the privilege bitch and moan like it's as bad as segregation or whatever. It's pathetic, really. If you're white, middle-class, heterosexual, male and able-bodied, you have no right to whinge about discrimination because society revolves around you and your interests. You're seen as the default, the standard, and everything else is the Other.

When you don't have the right to vote or get married to the person you love, then you'll have a valid case of discrimination, but a history month? Pfft, it's just a well-intentioned attempt to redress the balance of what's gone before.

I dont understand why people still complain about the month not being made,expecting it to poof and appear. All of them should get together and protest it and actually start practcing White History Month. In a way, I do agree with you. It does seem like everytime a minority gets something special, the majority complain about it.

I agree but yet at the same time disagree. I feel that yes, the majority will complain, yet the minority would complain if the majority where to get there demands as well...its just that the majority dont get things that are special...such as a history month, because they are in fact the majority. Its just the way the world runs.

Spatterdash 07-24-2007 07:37 PM

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*eye-roll*

Privileged people are such whiners. Gay pride, Black History Month... when a minority gets something special, the privilege bitch and moan like it's as bad as segregation or whatever. It's pathetic, really. If you're white, middle-class, heterosexual, male and able-bodied, you have no right to whinge about discrimination because society revolves around you and your interests. You're seen as the default, the standard, and everything else is the Other.

When you don't have the right to vote or get married to the person you love, then you'll have a valid case of discrimination, but a history month? Pfft, it's just a well-intentioned attempt to redress the balance of what's gone before.

You're complaining about whining...and yet...You're whole post is nothing but whining, about people whining?

Hypocritical if you ask me.

I knew somebody would say that!

And yeah, you're right. But how else am I meant to express my irritation without it coming across like that?

Mimi Lara: I suppose the majority don't get things that are special because they're not seen as 'special' or 'different', precisely because they're the majority and society is geared to their viewpoints and interests. It'd require the 'us and them' mentality to be broken down. Which is easier said than done.
I mean, eh, if you want White History Month, I wouldn't actually be bothered, but it'd be better to just have a nice mix of things taught without different groups all competing to have a special event for their group. Basically, there shouldn't be a NEED for minority history months in the first place.

Mimi Lara 07-24-2007 09:16 PM

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*eye-roll*

Privileged people are such whiners. Gay pride, Black History Month... when a minority gets something special, the privilege bitch and moan like it's as bad as segregation or whatever. It's pathetic, really. If you're white, middle-class, heterosexual, male and able-bodied, you have no right to whinge about discrimination because society revolves around you and your interests. You're seen as the default, the standard, and everything else is the Other.

When you don't have the right to vote or get married to the person you love, then you'll have a valid case of discrimination, but a history month? Pfft, it's just a well-intentioned attempt to redress the balance of what's gone before.

You're complaining about whining...and yet...You're whole post is nothing but whining, about people whining?

Hypocritical if you ask me.

I knew somebody would say that!

And yeah, you're right. But how else am I meant to express my irritation without it coming across like that?

Mimi Lara: I suppose the majority don't get things that are special because they're not seen as 'special' or 'different', precisely because they're the majority and society is geared to their viewpoints and interests. It'd require the 'us and them' mentality to be broken down. Which is easier said than done.
I mean, eh, if you want White History Month, I wouldn't actually be bothered, but it'd be better to just have a nice mix of things taught without different groups all competing to have a special event for their group. Basically, there shouldn't be a NEED for minority history months in the first place.

Thats really my point....reguardless of how much we try to put us together and call us equal....the past can never be erased and there will always be that "us and them" mentality. Each side will complain when the other gains more then them.....tis a fact of life.

Yreka 07-25-2007 01:30 AM

I see a problem here. There is no "white" race/culture. American or a European country might work though. You would want to contain it only to the country's history though since otherwise you'd have to include major events from countries people immigrated from.



If you already covered that issue, then I am sorry for posting this since frankly I did not read the whole first post.

Kris 07-29-2007 10:08 PM

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I see a problem here. There is no "white" race/culture. American or a European country might work though. You would want to contain it only to the country's history though since otherwise you'd have to include major events from countries people immigrated from.



If you already covered that issue, then I am sorry for posting this since frankly I did not read the whole first post.

There is no :"black" culture with that perspective, either, and yet we have "Black" History Month.

poet`s playground 07-29-2007 10:22 PM

White history month would be pointless - the rest of the history that we learn is quite pristinely white.

Kris 07-29-2007 10:26 PM

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White history month would be pointless - the rest of the history that we learn is quite pristinely white.

Would you mind reading the rest of thread, or even a few posts, before you post? =.=;; We've been over that stance millions of times, and every time it's been disproved.


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