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Shikyo 06-10-2007 06:56 PM

The Vegan Diet and Your Baby
 
I was reading a People's magazine, and was looking over the section where it shows various people's reactions to past issues. Usually to the bottom right corner there is a yellow box, which is probably suppose to be the main of controversial review. The recent issue, or at least the one that my mom got in the mail, was talking about an article that had about a baby dying due to the fact that it's parents had it on a vegan diet. Which, being the crazy person I am, made me think.

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Originally Posted by International Herald Tribute; Nina Planck
When Crown Shakur died of starvation, he was 6 weeks old and weighed 3.5 pounds. His vegan parents, who fed him mainly soy milk and apple juice, were convicted in Atlanta recently of murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty.

I will admit---I am not a vegan or a vegetarian.

Usually up to a certain point, a baby usually gets his or her nutrients either from formula or from breast feeding. There's usually a time where babies start to get 'solid' or 'mushy' food such as (rice?) cereal. Usually you can buy these in small jars---hence Gerber's. (I can't claim to be a genius when it comes to babies. But I do pick up on things.)

But I do believe that if you are going to force your child on a vegan diet you make sure your child still gets all the nutrients that they need. Hell, I would recommend talking to the pediatrician. I'm struggling between "well, it's okay if they know what they are doing? and "well, isn't it kind of mean to force their morals/views/whatever on the baby?"

In the case of Crown---I am wondering what the parents were thinking giving the six-week old baby soy milk. I know that regular milk isn't good for babies, yes. But soy milk? No. That would be lacking nutrients that formula would have. Or, you know, they could of just breast feed the child.


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Originally Posted by Nina Planck
A vegan diet is equally dangerous for weaned babies and toddlers, who need plenty of protein and calcium. Too often, vegans turn to soy, which actually inhibits growth and reduces absorption of protein and minerals.

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Originally Posted by Vegeterian Diets for Children: Right From The Start; [url
http://www.thevegetariansite.com/vegchild.htm]The[/url] best food for newborns is breast-milk, and the longer your baby is breast-fed, the better. If your baby is not being breast-fed, soy formulas are a good alternative and are widely available. Do not use commercial soy milk. Babies have special needs and require a soy formula that is developed especially for those needs.

Funny. I wonder if the parents even knew there was soy milk-based formula.

Opinions? Thoughts?

Kyon 06-10-2007 07:03 PM

Augh, that disgusts me. People are just so stupid sometimes. The baby was 6 weeks old. That's nowhere near old enough to be eating other things aside from breast milk, last I checked. I wonder why this "mother" didn't breast feed her child, and then I remember that, I guess, Vegans can't drink milk. I don't know, it really doesn't make sense to me.

Some people just shouldn't have children.

stilettolover 06-10-2007 09:36 PM

I actually encountered vegan parents at the day care where I worked. They had their baby on soy-formula (not soy milk) and home-made baby food.

Even though they were very careful to get her all the nutrients she needed, the girl was still underdeveloped and underweight by age 2. They ended up starting to give her some meat products and milk. She's almost five now and she's still pretty short and light, but she's doing better than she had been.

Vegan diets for infants/toddlers/young children isn't safe. It's better to do when they're in elementary school when they can take more supplements, eat more things like nuts and beans.

EternalHearts 06-10-2007 11:50 PM

This was such a sad story. I understand the parents not wanting to compromise their morals, but they should have seen how bad off Crown was.

Not that I'm exactlly keen on many vegans because I have had bad interactions with almost every one I have ever met, but it can be a viable lifestyle choice if done in the proper manner. Which makes me question if the baby was in the care of a doctor that was familiar with the parent's diet and with what they were feeding him.

Shikyo 06-11-2007 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stilettolover
I actually encountered vegan parents at the day care where I worked. They had their baby on soy-formula (not soy milk) and home-made baby food.

Even though they were very careful to get her all the nutrients she needed, the girl was still underdeveloped and underweight by age 2. They ended up starting to give her some meat products and milk. She's almost five now and she's still pretty short and light, but she's doing better than she had been.

Vegan diets for infants/toddlers/young children isn't safe. It's better to do when they're in elementary school when they can take more supplements, eat more things like nuts and beans.


I would assume that as a infant/toddler that their metabolism and nutrient intake would be completely different from someone who would be six or seven years old. Just because an adult can handle it doesn't mean a two-year old can.

Sun 06-12-2007 01:31 PM

It's my belife that weather the parents are vegan/vegitarian or not, they have a right to give their child everything it will need to grow healthily, over their own belifes. The child can make their own choice later in life.

Pink 06-12-2007 02:09 PM

I 100% respect people life choices and they're want and willingness to be healthy and want their child to be healthy, but ask any doctor. Babies just can't do that diet yet. You really need to wait until they are older.

There's this women who shops at the place I work and she's a vegan, I obviously could tell by her groceries. One day while she was checking out with her children we were talking as I was sacking them up and the kids were talking to me and complaining that Mommy wouldn't let them eat meat. Then the little girl was like "Or eggs, or cheese!" So, she did the responsible thing and waited until they were old enough to handle the diet. Now if only she wasn't such a bitch...

Shikyo 06-12-2007 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun
It's my belife that weather the parents are vegan/vegitarian or not, they have a right to give their child everything it will need to grow healthily, over their own belifes. The child can make their own choice later in life.


So you are saying it's completely okay for a parent to feed the baby what they want, even if the said baby needs more then just soy milk and apple sauce. I'm getting the feeling that you didn't even bother to read parts of my post as well as the replies I have got.

I'd like you to see that to Crown's decaying body. "Oh, sorry. I do respect your parent's wishes to force you on this vegan diet. Well, you could of made the choice later on!"

Babies need certain nutrients that you aren't going to get from a vegan-based diet. Wait until they are older, and can handle the diet without becoming malnourished or dead.


EternalHearts 06-12-2007 03:16 PM

Shikyo, I think she used the wrong wording...I read it as her agreeing with you. Maybe she meant "responsibility" instead of "right"?

Shikyo 06-13-2007 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EternalHearts
Shikyo, I think she used the wrong wording...I read it as her agreeing with you. Maybe she meant "responsibility" instead of "right"?


Maybe so.
But I won't know unless she comes back.

mystic kiwi 06-14-2007 12:39 AM

You'd think if the parents cared about the child that they would take it to a health care provider. I'm sure they could tell the child wasn't doing well before it died. Some people I just don't understand.

Queen Fool 06-14-2007 12:44 AM

I don't like parents forcing any views on a child, especially one that young. If they must, they could have researched it first!

trinxie 06-15-2007 12:05 PM

What a bunch of stupid, irresponsible parents!! It's a baby...it needs the proper nutrients in order to grow into a healthy child D: A six week old baby should still be breastfed, not given soy milk. (makes me think of soy sauce actually..) In fact, they should be breastfed until the age of 1 or 2. So what if the parents are vegan? Breastmilk is not from cows =/ No animals are being hurt/killed?
Children are normally born at around 6pounds or so right? 3.5lbs is almost half of that...


iriealice 06-22-2007 07:40 AM

my mom, who loves meat with a passion,

went vegan when she was pregnant with my little brother

simply because anything that came from animals made her SICK

and now he loves meat too, lol

and he's so healthy!

Shikyo 06-22-2007 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mystic kiwi
You'd think if the parents cared about the child that they would take it to a health care provider. I'm sure they could tell the child wasn't doing well before it died. Some people I just don't understand.

You would think the child's abnormally low weight or size would at least alarm them that something was wrong.

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Originally Posted by trixnite
Children are normally born at around 6pounds or so right? 3.5lbs is almost half of that...

I *was* three pounds when I was born. The six-month old baby weighed just as much as I did when I popped into the world. Creepy, no?

Motion 06-22-2007 06:03 PM

Meat is important in your nutrition, end of story. :?

secretdae007 06-23-2007 04:02 AM

It's always sad to hear about stories like this and it is sad that a life had to end because of a lack of knowledge and a lack of willingness for one to give up their beliefs for the life of another.

Sounds like these people knew nothing about nutrient and growing children. Really, the only thing we can all hope for now is for people to learn from what these people did. As nice as the idea of growing up completely vegan sounds, they clearly didn't know what they were doing.

Cinnamonmiko 06-23-2007 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by secretdae007
It's always sad to hear about stories like this and it is sad that a life had to end because of a lack of knowledge and a lack of willingness for one to give up their beliefs for the life of another.

Sounds like these people knew nothing about nutrient and growing children. Really, the only thing we can all hope for now is for people to learn from what these people did. As nice as the idea of growing up completely vegan sounds, they clearly didn't know what they were doing.

Clearly. There is more to the vegan diet than soy milk and apple juice which could be eaten by a small child. An infant could be breast-fed, if they were worried about the formula.

the poor child. Every time these things happen, I lost a little faith in humanity. o_o

Chexala 06-23-2007 09:28 PM

Ugh, I don't approve of vegan diets. They're unnatural and bad for your body. (So are a lot of other diets too, but they're not important at the moment.) I don't think people need or should eat meat every day, but it is part of the diet we evolved on, as are animal products.

To be vegan in the first place makes me leery of a person, but to the feed a baby that way? What the heck? I mean, I'm still blown away by the fact that some people don't breast feed their kids to begin with, since it's such the obvious thing to do, but for theoretically health conscious vegans not to go that road is incomprehensible. Breast milk is the ultimate is healthy food for babies, seeing as out own bodies make if for just that purpose.

Thought it occurs to me now, since the parents were vegan, maybe the mother was too unhealthy herself to have enough breast milk to give. God, that's tragic.

Shandriz 06-23-2007 10:02 PM

If you're smart, you can be Vegan without sacrificing your health. It's actually a very healthy way to live. But, you have to be willing to do the research and put in the work.

This does -not- mean, however, that it's safe for a child. Children grow too fast and your body needs the nutrients from eating dairy products and occasionally meat and stuff. I feel sorry for those people who are morally opposed to meat and have kids, because it does put them in a dilemma, but in the end, you'd think they would choose the path that'd keep their kid alive and healthy. They could still be vegan themselves, and have their kids transition to veganism when they're a bit older and it's safe, though you'd probably have to talk to your health care specialist about when that'd be a good idea and all.

Caranfirithwen 06-29-2007 05:15 AM

I heard about this story and I was shocked. That poor baby. Honestly if you're vegan or vegetarian, that's fine. But when you're a baby, there are certain things youu need to grow. That why I don't think even a little kid should be vegan. Maybe when they are older and can choose for themselves.

Spufflez 06-30-2007 12:38 AM

That sounds horrible. It's okay when the child's a teen and want to try it out, but when you're a baby you need all of the nutrients you can intake. I wouldn't do that to my children, even if I refused to eat meat and drink milk I would kill myself before my child died from starvation. It's incredibly stupid to do that to a baby. I really wished someone would have said something before it escalated like that. :cry:

Akemi 06-30-2007 01:07 AM

What makes them terrible parents is that they chose their beliefs over their child's health. They obviously never thought to listen to doctors about this and continued despite the baby's failing health. And that poor child had to suffer for a month before finally passing, I think the parents got what they deserved.

I've met people who were raised vegetarian from the start and are very healthy, but you do have to be well-educated about what kind of nutrition a child needs. There are always alternatives if they're conscious about their decisions.


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