Pro-choice.

For whatever reason, the choice belongs to the person housing the fetus--the pregnant female in question. That woman in question may choose many ways of taking dealing with the pregnancy, not any of us. It is not our business or body.

Start looking at the reality of the world and why it is that not everyone can or will care for an unwanted pregnancy. See how it is that there are many more children then there are people willing to adopt them. There are so many interrelated issues that one can not hope to find a solution serving the pro-life fantasy of a perfect world.

The way that I see it, the only children that should come into this world are the ones that are wanted and will be cared for, not shoveled into the orphanage on the slim notion that they might be adopted some day.

While I believe that a woman has the right do whatever they want with their body, I think it's extremely immature and irresponsible of a woman to use abortions as a form of birth control. If you're just having an abortion because you were simply too lazy to put on a condom on your partner or take a pill when you're supposed to, you should have to deal with your actions. What disgusts me most is hearing reports of women doing this repeatedly and without ANY sort of guilt.

Otherwise, I'm entirely for and support women that choose to have abortions for any reason. If a woman finds out she's pregnant and is simply too scared or not ready for it, then an abortion is fine by all means. I'd rather them get rid of a lump of cells than make themselves miserable for the rest of their life by going through with something they weren't ready for yet.

And in cases where it's due to rape or health, I'd actually -encourage- a woman to have an abortion rather than risk her mental stability and health. Rape children very rarely grow up in a loving environment because they serve as a reminder of what happened, so in a way, it'd be kinder to keep that from happening than to put everyone through that.

Originally Posted by Lore

While I believe that a woman has the right do whatever they want with their body, I think it's extremely immature and irresponsible of a woman to use abortions as a form of birth control.

And in cases where it's due to rape or health, I'd actually -encourage- a woman to have an abortion rather than risk her mental stability and health.

I have some questions...

What makes a rape fetus worthy of abortion than any other? They are biologically the same and both cold potentially be unwanted or wanted and on that note, do you believe that unwanted ones that were not aborted lead better lives?

Why is it more okay to allow an immature and irresponsbile (your words) action to control that (a rape) birth than that?

And, what is the differnce between preventing a zygote from attaching to the uterus wall versus removing it after it has attached to the uterine wall?

About immaturity and responsibility, are these two concepts universal as in do they fit everyone?

On the bit about mental stability and such, do you honestly believe that a woman forced to carry the pregnancy she didn't want, won't suffer at all? Pregnancy carries many risks--including the three I dread won't happen to my sister who is RISKING herself to carry a child that she actually WANTS: permanent injury, infertility or even death.

Originally Posted by Lore

While I believe that a woman has the right do whatever they want with their body, I think it's extremely immature and irresponsible of a woman to use abortions as a form of birth control. If you're just having an abortion because you were simply too lazy to put on a condom on your partner or take a pill when you're supposed to, you should have to deal with your actions. What disgusts me most is hearing reports of women doing this repeatedly and without ANY sort of guilt.

Otherwise, I'm entirely for and support women that choose to have abortions for any reason. If a woman finds out she's pregnant and is simply too scared or not ready for it, then an abortion is fine by all means. I'd rather them get rid of a lump of cells than make themselves miserable for the rest of their life by going through with something they weren't ready for yet.

And in cases where it's due to rape or health, I'd actually -encourage- a woman to have an abortion rather than risk her mental stability and health. Rape children very rarely grow up in a loving environment because they serve as a reminder of what happened, so in a way, it'd be kinder to keep that from happening than to put everyone through that.

Because forcing people who were immature or irresponible in the first case to have a child is the mature thing to do, right? Because you know, they are lyke totally ready for a child, lyke right?

Why should one have guilt for having an abortion?

Why should their emotions dictate how you feel about it? No one should be forced to feel guilty about an abortion.

Rape children can grow up in loving situtations, I have family that proves it. But I still believe each women should get to make up her own mind about said action.

Also, what makes a rape fetus different than a fetus concieved in love, by all accounts, the fetus is the same, no really differences other than the actions. So, why should that change on the abortion stance?

Condoms and birth control are not a sure fire way to not get pregnant. I don't know why people don't understand this.

I am very pro-life. I don't feel that anyone has the right to kill someone because they were irresponsible, or something happened that they got pregnant. Under no circumstance should anyone ever have an abortion in my opinion, unless it is life-threatening to the person who is in fact pregnant. There are other ways of handling a baby if you become pregnant but do not want the baby or cannot take care of it. There's adoption. If anyone ever gets to the point where they become pregnant and can't take care of a child or they don't want the child, they should put it up for adoption. It's wrong to kill someone, period.

Mm, I'm pro-choice.
Say the female didn't want to get pregnant. She was raped, or a condom broke, or what-have-you.
I don't think that this female in question should be forced to spend nine months not only in pain, but with discriminatory looks cast upon her by her peers as someone who is irresponsible or reckless or a whore. And she shouldn't have to spend the next eighteen years caring for an unwanted child when she should be experiencing her own life.
In the early stages of pregnancy, usually when the fetus is aborted, it is nothing more than a group of cells. Most organs have not developed; it is not sentient. It doesn't even develop a central nervous system and an ability to physically feel until the third trimester. Therefore, it is not yet a human life, and if it is unwanted, then the woman should have the right to rid herself of it. It's her life, after all, that may be ruined.

Also, if abortion were illegal, women would still search for opportunities for abortion, thus resorting to dangerous, unsafe, unsanitary back-alley abortions, and more women would die in such awful circumstances.
The legality of abortion is pretty much necessary.

Originally Posted by Seiki Nova

Condoms and birth control are not a sure fire way to not get pregnant. I don't know why people don't understand this.

I am very pro-life. I don't feel that anyone has the right to kill someone because they were irresponsible, or something happened that they got pregnant. Under no circumstance should anyone ever have an abortion in my opinion, unless it is life-threatening to the person who is in fact pregnant. There are other ways of handling a baby if you become pregnant but do not want the baby or cannot take care of it. There's adoption. If anyone ever gets to the point where they become pregnant and can't take care of a child or they don't want the child, they should put it up for adoption. It's wrong to kill someone, period.

Once again, failed protection--to a couple that either are child free, already have all the kids they want or want to wait when it IS a good time to have a kid? Will you tell them they cannot have sex unless they are going to raise or put up for adoption? *thinks about the 7th Heaven family and shivers*

Also, it has come to my attention that many people are starting to become anti-adoption--aka morally against adoption, but do not want a pregnancy. What of these people?

Originally Posted by Seiki Nova

Condoms and birth control are not a sure fire way to not get pregnant. I don't know why people don't understand this.

I am very pro-life. I don't feel that anyone has the right to kill someone because they were irresponsible, or something happened that they got pregnant. Under no circumstance should anyone ever have an abortion in my opinion, unless it is life-threatening to the person who is in fact pregnant. There are other ways of handling a baby if you become pregnant but do not want the baby or cannot take care of it. There's adoption. If anyone ever gets to the point where they become pregnant and can't take care of a child or they don't want the child, they should put it up for adoption. It's wrong to kill someone, period.

Because pregnancy is easy and something everyone wants to go through just to give it up.

What do you say to couples who already have a family and can not afford to take care of anymore? How would you except the parents to tell their children that they had a little borther or sister but gave them up because they could not take care of them?

Or couples who never want to have kids? Abstience does not work in these siutations, nor does adoption.

Also, I feel irresponible to bring a life into this world only to throw it away to some agency like it didn't matter.

You can not except a women or a teenager to go through 9 months of hell and bounding only to give it up. Many women regret adoption but not abortion. What do you say of that?

It's not killing a human, most pregnancy's are thrown out by the body before one realizes it.

I believe abortion is truly wrong. I believe once a child has been concieved it is a potential life and should be treated like it's already alive. Why should some woman throw away what they got as an accident when others who want it can't have it themselves. If they really don't want the child, put it in an orphanage. That way it at least gets to live.

Originally Posted by Priestess of Athena

I believe abortion is truly wrong. I believe once a child has been concieved it is a potential life and should be treated like it's already alive. Why should some woman throw away what they got as an accident when others who want it can't have it themselves. If they really don't want the child, put it in an orphanage. That way it at least gets to live.

Because being adoboned is awesome, and just because they go to an orphanage does not mean that child will lead a good life or will ever be loved or ever get a family. Unless it's a healthy newborn white baby, this said kid will probably stay in the system all their life and well, that's no life I ever want to put someone into.

If these people who can not have kids really want one, there's plenty of children that need homes. It's the fact that they are older, non-white or disabled that they never get a home.

Just because it's potiental doesn't mean it should be or is a life. Forcing a child someone does not mean that child will be loved. Children should all belong to people who want them and love them, not as punishments.

Instead of adding to the gigantic amount of spiritual debate in this thread, I'll just post facts.

Outlawing abortion would lead to:
-"lives" of unborn children being "saved"
-After they're born, the children being abandoned, sent to orphanages, or even worse, murdered by the parents
-Orphanages get overcrowded (we don't need any more abandoned babies, we have enough.)
-Instead of using an official doctor to perform an abortion safely, parents who didn't want children would turn to dangerous underground doctors or doctors in other countries, potentially costing the life of the mom.
-Teen pregnancies might go down because they're scared of not being able to get an abortion, because obviously, teens are scared of pregnancies already.
-Victims of rapes are forced to have the baby of their rapist, and those babies are forced to live with the fact that their dad raped their mom.
-But once again, because at least some children's lives are saved, and they get to live in misery for about 80 more years. I guess this makes it all worth it to some people.

Wow, reasoning it through, I really don't see anything supporting the outlawing of abortion except for "the bible says killing unborn children is bad". I'm not Christian.

a stupid twelve year old who gets pregnant should still have the baby because she was stupid, now if she was raped, that's different.

I think abortion shouldn't be allowed unless it's a case of:

rape - just because think of how the child will feel growing up knowing it wasn't wanted

death - if the mother's going to die, she shouldn't have to risk her life for a child, unless she really wanted to or if the baby's going to die anyway, why go through the pains of birth

or like if there are problems with a child, I know people say that disabled children tend to be happy, but when I think about being disabled, I'd rather be dead. so yeah... I guess it's different when you place yourself in their position

I just think we should have LIMITED abortion. Stupid people who don't use condoms will then start using condoms or have the child.

I agree with you. Only if they have a good reason. If I ever get pregant. (Which probally wont happen because I dont want kids.) I would go for abortion because I would rather adobt a kid who doesnt have parents instead of bringing another kid into the world. I feel orphans are being adobpted less and less each year so I want to be someone who gives a kid a future then being stuck in a building watching there friends leave them. :[

I watched an abortion video today at school, and man, was I traumatized. I think depending on the situation. Although people are trying to make abortion illegal, I think that several cases would vary.

I believe that Abortion should be legal.

Point 1:

By illegalizing abortion you are taking away a right and choice for all women. Whether or not you agree with abortion doesn't matter. Same with religion. No matter what you believe, your beliefs should NOT be enforced on others.

Every woman should have the choice to abort, since the results either way will change and determine the course of her life.

Point 2:

By legalizing abortion you're allowing pregnant women to opt out of having a child. Obviously. It would be better for them not to have the child if the alternative is to regret it. this could result in the mother not loving, properly caring for (do to choice or financial standard), or properly raising the child.

Point 3:

Are population is so incredibly large as it is, we don't need 'spare people'. I know that sounds harsh, but I only mean by it that we shouldn't bring in more kids when the mother doesn't want to have a kid, and it's life might not be the greatest.

Conclusion:

Abortion should be a personal choice. The woman herself can decide how it fits into her life, beliefs, and morals. There should be a high cost for abortion for anyone over eighteen with the exception of rape victims. This would allow woman to abort having the child, but it would prevent them from having mindless sex with the idea that if something goes wrong they can just abort it. After all, condoms and the pill are a hell of a lot cheaper then a medical proceedure.

I think that abortion should only be legal under certain circumstances when the reasons are fair. I watched an abortion video the other day, and I was traumatized. Beyond traumatized, actually. I saw the visuals of the abortion vacuum destroying the fetus's body, then cracking the head...and I just think it's so cruel... if done for no good reason. If there is a good reason, then everything changes.

I agree with two of your statements

A woman who got raped should have the possibility to get rid of child if she really doesn't want it.

A woman whose life it at risk if she carries through with the pregnancy.

The second one however.. if she was grown up enough to think she was ready for sex then she should be grown up enough to deal with her own consequences..

If she is only 12 and her mother let her be with older boys and be out for who knows how long and so forth.. then they brought it on them selves.. it is not the babies fault that its mother was sleepin around..

also with the quoted statements .. I only agree before the child has a heart and is considered an actual baby.. that abort 3 months in crap is a bunch of BULL.

If they can carry it for 3 months they should wait and then give it up for adoption. If they do not want it..

Unless the mother is not at all mentally stable.. but if they can handle it and deal with it till birth .. then thats what they should do..

As for the health issue one I do agree with that.. but if there is ANY way what so ever that her and the baby could make it threw then I'd say go with that option.

Originally Posted by JiJi

I agree with two of your statements

The second one however.. if she was grown up enough to think she was ready for sex then she should be grown up enough to deal with her own consequences..

If she is only 12 and her mother let her be with older boys and be out for who knows how long and so forth.. then they brought it on them selves.. it is not the babies fault that its mother was sleepin around..

also with the quoted statements .. I only agree before the child has a heart and is considered an actual baby.. that abort 3 months in crap is a bunch of BULL.

If they can carry it for 3 months they should wait and then give it up for adoption. If they do not want it..

Unless the mother is not at all mentally stable.. but if they can handle it and deal with it till birth .. then thats what they should do..

As for the health issue one I do agree with that.. but if there is ANY way what so ever that her and the baby could make it threw then I'd say go with that option.

Sex does not mean consent to having a baby. You can easily be emotionally prepared for sex and to have sex with said partner and enjoy the emotional and physical benefits that sex brings, but nowhere near ready for what a child brings.

Even if one is ready for sex, you can easily be not ready for pregnancy. Pregnancy is hell and an emotional wreck on your body and mind. It's better when one is wanted, but not when it is not.

And myself, I prefer not to add to the ever growing orphange's and would rather make sure any child I produce will be loved and cared for, and ready for me.

Thats what happens when you have sex.. sex leads to children and getting pregnant.. If you are going to have sex you should be intelligent enough to KNOW that you MIGHT get pregnant.. If you are not intelligent to know this then you do not need to be having sex... If some one decided that they were going to have sex.. knowing what it can lead to things and get pregnant.. then its their fault and their mistake and they should learn to live with the decision..

A person should not be allowed to kill a life because they were "not able to help them selves." and decided to have sex... I don't care what anyone says.. I think sex can be avoided... sex is a decision...

I knew what sex was at age 12, actually well before that.. and I knew what sex lead to and what could happen... If parents don't want to talk to their children about this stuff.. and this stuff happens.. then it is on their head.. I don't see how someone can take a life.. and not always think about it.. to me that would be more of a hassle.. then to have a child... Giving a child up for adoption.. at least.. they are alive.. and will get the chance to live a normal life..

I know it is quite a process pregnancy is.. but they made that decision.. when they decided to have sex..

Life is a precious thing.. I wouldn't want someone to make the decision for me on rather not i am to live.. or die.. the only thing that is to control my life is life its self..


These are just my opinions.. I find life to be worth a lot.. a lot more than what most anyone can give..
The exchange for one life is one life..

I agree with all that you said except the last one.
Some people are just not qualified to be parents and it is better to have the child aborted. I know there are other ways like..giving the child up for adoption, but the people who are stupid enough to forget to use a condom and such will just head off to the abortion clinic instead.

I would consider aborting the baby if there was something seriously wrong with it. Like we had a discussion in school about if you found out your child was going to be brain damaged or whatever reason that they would be pretty much helpless all together (I'm not talking about being retarded either. I'm talking about the stuff that is worse), I would probably get it aborted. I wouldn't want it to have to deal with that.

Abortion under cirtain circumstances is desperately needed, though th act is gruesome and terrible. But if the mother and baby could die in the process of birth, then it's probably the greatest to...get rid of the child. Or if the mother was raped, and cannot bear to tell her child how he/she came to the world.

There are humane possibilities that abortion helps in several ways. It's just where to draw the line.

Originally Posted by JiJi

Thats what happens when you have sex.. sex leads to children and getting pregnant.. If you are going to have sex you should be intelligent enough to KNOW that you MIGHT get pregnant.. If you are not intelligent to know this then you do not need to be having sex... If some one decided that they were going to have sex.. knowing what it can lead to things and get pregnant.. then its their fault and their mistake and they should learn to live with the decision..

A person should not be allowed to kill a life because they were "not able to help them selves." and decided to have sex... I don't care what anyone says.. I think sex can be avoided... sex is a decision...

I knew what sex was at age 12, actually well before that.. and I knew what sex lead to and what could happen... If parents don't want to talk to their children about this stuff.. and this stuff happens.. then it is on their head.. I don't see how someone can take a life.. and not always think about it.. to me that would be more of a hassle.. then to have a child... Giving a child up for adoption.. at least.. they are alive.. and will get the chance to live a normal life..

I know it is quite a process pregnancy is.. but they made that decision.. when they decided to have sex..

Life is a precious thing.. I wouldn't want someone to make the decision for me on rather not i am to live.. or die.. the only thing that is to control my life is life its self..


These are just my opinions.. I find life to be worth a lot.. a lot more than what most anyone can give..
The exchange for one life is one life..

But sex is just not about making babies. Sex i many different things, and no in long term relationships and marriages sex is not something that can be avoided. Infact lack of sex is a big reason many marriages end up breaking apart because sex is just an indecarter of a bigger problem.

Abortions are mostly done by adult women who are in long term relationships or married. Adoption is not an option when you have other children, but having another would be too much strain ad hardship on the current children and raising.

No, it doesn't take an idiot to realize sex leads to children, but it does take someone wishing to control others to demand that all sex that produces a would be life to force it to come to be. Sex does not many consent to pregnancy and is not a agreement that means everything made by sex has to come to be.

The decision means that the life would never have a thought and well, it would of never mattered to you, simply because you never existed. It's not killing a life but what could be a life.

I support abortion, in fact I support complete freedom of choice of one's own life.

I support a womans right to her body. Its mine. Its the only thing in the world that noone can take away from me and I will die before I give it up. I believe my body is a temple to whatever god/goddess that exists and to allow someone else to take charge of it when that higher being put ME in charge of it is unthinkable.


To those who fight for the child, think of this:

A young woman gets pregnant but has no way of taking care of it. Its illegal to get an abortion so she MUST carry it to term. She has 1 of 3 options.

1) She gives the baby up for adoption were it could very well be mistreated due to flaws in the system that no matter what you say, do exist.

2) Kill the baby outright when she gets the chance causing the baby a significant amount of physical, emotional, and (if you believe it) spiritual pain.

3) Keep the baby were they both live in squaller ending up in either option 1 or 2.

Abortion is wrong, unless the mother's life is actively in danger. For all you people going on and on about bodily integrity, how about the FETUS' bodily integrity???? On the one hand you have a woman who will have to put up with something for nine months, on the other hand you have a fetus who must die just because the woman says so. Nine months vs. eternity...what a choice. Name me one other circumstance where a private citizen can say "Hey, I don't like this, so sorry, you have to die now." For that matter, it is simply beyond me that a woman can so callously kill her son or daughter.

Oh, and this bit about "Well, the kid will be miserable, so it's better off dead!"? That's called arguing from potential. How do you KNOW what kind of life the kid will have? Can you see the future?