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I think the civil partnership thing was just getting around the religious connotations of marriage, because it does convey the same legal benefits here as a marriage. It's just the version for homosexuals. ...Now I need to look up the difference between marriage and civil union in America, I think. |
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(Sorry that I keep on picking on you Spatter! Its just that your right, but wrong.) Jesus came to show us the w ay. The way to God, to prove Gods existence, and even more die for our sins. His apostles, who he trained, and the holy spirit worked through from dreams, and revelations put down the laws for eternity. Meaning if you want to say you have had a new revelation, that goes against the Bible tough luck. Your wrong, because God said that my word is truth and that it is not bendable. You are not supposed to go against the Bible, so many times it says so (I don't want to post them all...) Jesus didn't go over many issues that pop into the Bible. Some quotes from the Bible. Old and New testament. Quote:
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Read, dumbass I said marriage is a HOLY union between a male and female HOLY HOLY Do you get it yet? Who said they can't be married through the courts? Not I, I just sad the church should decide. You fail. |
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Why should it have to impose itself into something that doesn't want it? |
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Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard. Leviticus 19:27 You mean that quote from Leviticus? This is for priest, if you read the rest of Leviticus you will realize it is for priests. Priests performed sacrifices and they needed to be 'clean' and be good. When somebody messed up really bad they would shave their head and beard to show that they where clean once more. If you have long hair and beard it meant that you are not perfect obviously, but a good priest who tried his best to obey God's laws. Thus a man who could see over the temples sacrifices. This also showed that you keep God's law, and that you are a good man trying to do his best. For anybody if you messed up you would shave totally to clean yourself, because before this God hadn't sent Jesus to die for own sins. Because Jesus had not come people grew their beard long, show respect to God, and to show themselves a 'good man' to help others to become better people. More God like, which by the way, striving to be good like God is something you are supposed to do. Calling yourself God, or more holy is not. Once Jesus came to die for our sins we no longer have to do those things. Because we are saved from our sins by repenting to God and Jesus Christ because he died for us. Being the ultimate eternal sacrifice. No longer need to shave your beards now do you ^^. Quote:
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For the time being, admonished, I'll take your word for it, since you're obviously more familiar with scripture than I am.
Though I still feel that it's a bit unfair that the church is always going after the homosexuals when the adulterers, idolaters or the covetous are known to be just as bad. Also, I notice all the quotes you provide mention only the sinfulness of men with men. Do we have any Biblical injunctions against lesbianism? |
Spatter: Hey at least my priest isn't going out on you XD. Its a painful experience.
You are exactly right. I'm agreeing with you Spatter, the Church should be going after everybody! Theres a small problem though, the Gay thing is quite a big issue. I wish the Church could go after everything at once, but sadly it can't. A little bit at a time. Though we do have a problem, we rarely even talk about the others, idolaters, and adulterers. I haven't heard much about it in other church's really. I think they should be addressed in sermons, and put down as evil. So yeah we are pretty much pushing those aside, and we shouldn't be. Quote:
Also in Corinthians 6:9-10 there was a different word used. Instead of homosexual which is a bad translation into English. I forgot how exactly it should be, yet I know a man who studies religious texts in Hebrew and it means something more like the opposite sex sleeping together. I wish I knew the Hebrew word, if so I could simply translate it. |
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Also, being in the new testament, Corinthians was written in Acient Greek, not Hebrew. That's the old testament. Source |
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So, madam, you fail. And you show your intelligence by attacking someone just because they disagreed with you |
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Thanks for reminding me though. I had totally forgotten the word. |
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Aren't you just the little hipocritical one. The Bible states that a union between a man and a woman that do not believe in God is unholy, and that it isn't blessed before God That's what most churches meet with the couple beforehand so that their marriage can be blessed. And yes, athiest do get married But not through the Church, which is what gay couples are wanting. |
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:/ Atleast, some do. |
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Gay couples aren't wanting to marry through the church. They are wanting to get married through the court system, which is what is illegal, because our president can't figure out the difference between religious law and state law. Why do gay couples want to get married? It has NOTHING to do with Christianity so don't flatter yourself (i'm sure there's a select few that do, but that's not what this debate is about. It's about marriage, period.) They want to marry because marriage grants couples over 3,000 rights such a both having custody over their adopted (or non adopted, depending if one actually had the child) child so that if something happens to one parent, the other parent can care for the child rather than having the child become an *orphan*. Also, if one needs serious medical decisions made but is incapacitated, their partner cannot help make a decision unless they're married. There's also thousands of tax benefits and other reasons that are completely unfair to withhold from gay couples just because they're gay. THAT is what this debate is about. So please take a look at what we're actually talking about here, and look up marriage law and you will realize why preventing gay couples from marrying is complete and utter descrimination and nothing else. kthx |
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Sweety, that is not what we want. You can keep your marriage cerimonies at the church all you want. What we want is the LEGAL marriage, which is beig denied to us. And yes, that is marriage, just like your cerimony. Calling it something different is nothing short of stupid. |
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I'm bisexual, but pretty much just straight. I like women and all but i'm planning on marrying the man i'm with. And i wish so bad that we get a president that takes the stick out of their ass and grants marriage to gays :(. |
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Wrong, that's what you did to me the second you posted your first reply. Marriage is *just* a holy union, just because our federal government commands the separation of church and state which led to the deterioration of the western religion, doesn't mean that the intentions of marriage have become any less holy. Just because a few gays you have talked to denied that they wanted it throgh the church, doesn't mean all of them. I have spoken to many, many gays and they each have their own opinion. Unfortunately they have been enraged that the church doesn't accept their union and write it off as legit, but that's the churches decision not theirs They shouldn't be allowed to change ancient rules to fit their modern wants, then it would no longer be a separation of church and state, but a state enforced law over the church which is completely against our constitution. Im all for gays getting those rights, I have nothing against that. Im simply saying that I believe the law should add those benefits to a civil union, not to marriage which is Holy to Christians, whether your one or not. |
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And answer me this, why should this scenario take place: Hetero atheist couple goes to the cityhall, signs and piece of paper, and says "We just got married!" Gay couple goes to the cityhall, signs a piece of paper and says "We just got out civil union!" It's the same thing, why should we call it a different name? |
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and i personally know a few athiests that have been married in a church. what i really dont understand is why people are so bothered (edit after reading posts that had been made whilst i made this) sorry i miss understud your meaning! |
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@juno: i can understand why christians don't want gays to marry in the church, though. It's against religious law to be gay. But i just don't like the thought of not allowing them to marry in the state due to religious law |
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That's just disgusting. She gives a bad name to Christians everywhere, which in turn pushes others away with the wrong concept of how christians are and the way we behave. "Homosexuals should be executed"? She's just plain nuts, you should definitely repress her from your memories. My mother was the same way when it came to religion Which is why I considered myself athiest for so many years. But after having the opportunity to experience what I have, I changed. It's all recent too~ |
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