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Staff Sergeant 12-01-2007 09:37 PM

Pits and Rots are some of the nicest dogs I've ever met.

I had a Rot once. I named him Rocky.
After about 7 years of him living inside, I let him outside.

The mail-man? He flipped! Rocky came from around the corner, and tackled him, and started to lick him.
The mail-man thought he was gonna die.
To this day, it's never happened again.

Why?
I trained him not to jump on people like he does me.


My neighbor has a pitbull.
She's about 9 years old, and still acts like a puppy o.o


So it's never the dogs. It's the owners.


I say we start putting the OWNERS down. Not the dogs.
Stamp out the cause, not the effect.

Lolly 12-03-2007 03:21 AM

Of course banning certain breeds is just ridiculous.
It isn't the animal's fault if it was brought up to do certain things.
It's the owner's problem.
And they should be jailed for it.
They're putting lives in jeopardy by doing that.
If the dog does indeed, use it's jaws for action,
then it should be put to sleep.
Or in my opinion.
But it has to be of the consent of the person[s] who got bit.

juniper_silver 12-03-2007 03:40 AM

I agree completely. The owners should pay for raising the dogs to be vicious, not the breed of dogs. If there is an individual dog that is vicious and nothing can be done, it should be put down. It's sad because it's not really the dogs fault that he was raised wrong, but the same could be said for humans that murder.

ForkoFried 12-06-2007 03:40 AM

Although certain breeds of dogs are hardwired to be vicious,
it is 100% the owners' fault if a dog acts "bad".
No one should ever get a dog without knowing about it's breed's personality.
If a dog bites someone it is because either the owner did not walk the dog enough, pay enough attention, or train it enough, or the dog has been in-bred, or just plain bred badly.
Some dogs though, do need much much more training than others, but it is the owner's responsibility to know what type of dogs they are capable of.

And i don't like to state all-inclusives, but anyone who thinks that it is the dog's fault has no idea what they are talking about.

Berginyon 12-06-2007 08:09 PM

Re: banning certain dogs?
 
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Originally Posted by --ipurty
pitbulls? rotweilers? any dog?

i think they should not ban pitbulls etc...
because...i dont think that its the dog's problem...its the owner's problem!!!! they SHOULD kill the dogs after bites but! but butbutbutbutbbuttt!!!!!!
at least give the owner a fine!!!!! i hate these kind of things! if they get multiple warnings, arrest them orrrrrr....ban THEM from raising dogs!

whats your opinion??

No breed of dog is inherently vicious in my opinion. Rottweilers have a bad rep because the people who own them typically train them to be nasty. You know the guys who are like, "HE CAN SMELL FEAR!" and are flaunting these big ass growling dogs as if compensating for some percieved personal shortcoming... I happen to have met quite a few rottweilers who are just big teddy bears.

Now pinschers... THOSE little dogs can be nasty... or at least one of them that I know of. But then again, he's too cowardly to do more than bark at you anyway :D

Majinkoz 12-06-2007 11:16 PM

Even though I've heard of horrible stories about pit bulls...I still don't think that there should be a ban on specific dogs. There is not a ban on having something like a Tiger as a pet, as long as you're trained and you have to get a special license to have something like that (a wild cat) you can have it....so I think something like that would be more appropriate, for potentially vicious dogs like rots and pit bulls. But if there is a ban on certain dogs, what else will happen next? There could be a sudden attack of one or two collies, should we put a ban on having a collie?

Viki 12-07-2007 06:48 AM

I don't think that it is right to punish an innocent dog because its owner abused it and raised it to be vicious.
More so, I do no think it is right to punish a whole breed of dog because of a few stupid people who think it will be fun to make them fight to the death or attack people.
How would you like it if you're little brother bit someone and some official looking person walked up to you and said 'Im sorry, but we are going to have to put your brother down. In fact, I think we'll put everyones little brother down, just to be sure.'?
You'd be pretty damn sad, yes?

fally_13 12-08-2007 02:57 AM

banning dogs and they dont think thats discimanation against dogs that is sooooooo mean

mystic kiwi 12-08-2007 09:55 AM

The problem comes in where they’re bred by stupid people to make them more aggressive for dog fighting. The reason those breeds are used for fighting is because of the fact that the dogs are all muscle that’s why they’re more dangerous than other breeds of dogs. Dog breeds such as American bull dogs, pit bulls, and rots have a more powerful bite than a poodle/collie/whatever other kind of dog people brought up and can cause more damage. I have no problem with well bred pit bulls and rots, personally I love the breeds if they’re bred right because both breeds can be very sweet. Even if they did toughen up laws on breeding there’s other problems that can come up from that. I understand why they ban them in some places due to public safety hazards and for the safety of the dogs.

Why would you wait for a dog to bite someone when that someone could end up being a small child? I’ve seen cases where the dogs kill children. It’s not just one bite, it’s mauling the child to death. In places where the dogs are used for fighting I do agree with the ban for not only that reason, but because people will steal the nicer bred dogs and use them as bait dogs in dog fights. I used to work at Detroit Animal Control and some of the cases that came in there were dogs that were used as bait dogs or the fighting dogs themselves that come in. If you’ve ever seen the result of dog fighting first hand, you’d know why such bans are put into place, especially when the dogs come in bleeding to death and nothing can be done to save them. What they really need to focus on is cleaning up cities where dog fighting is a problem because a lot of times it has a link with other illegal activities.

Siri 12-24-2007 05:05 AM

It doesn't matter if you ban a certain breed. In the end, it all comes down to the temperament of an individual dog. Pitbulls scare many people because of their reputation as fighting dogs. Unfortunately, pitbulls are used in dogfights primarily because of their best traits--their loyalty and obedience. Pitbulls tend to be extremely loyal to their owners, even if those owners force them to fight against dogs in multiple matches. They will tolerate abusive behavior and extreme cruelty during their training. These are good traits in good dogs that are sadly being exploited by horrible people.

Contrary to popular belief, pitbulls are wonderful pets since they tend to be loyal, obedient, and gentle. If you raise one from its birth in a good environment, it will most likely turn out just fine. If anything, pitbulls actually make better pets for families with small children than smaller dogs. Small dogs, such as chihuahuas, tend to be more aggressive and less tolerant of constant prodding and touching. Children will be able to aggravate a small dog more easily than a larger dog, such as a rotweiler or a pitbull and make them more likely to bite.

Honestly, banning certain dogs is essentially stereotyping them for no good reason. Fighting dogs are dangerous only because they have been raised to be aggressive and cruel. You can take another dog of that same breed and raise it in a good, loving environment and it will make a wonderful pet.

Alice Elliot 12-24-2007 11:27 AM

I love dogs, I always believed it's the pet owner's fault if the dog becomes a menace, it will do what it was trained to do. But, for the sake of the community, I think it would be better if certain breeds are banned, just so that neglectful owners doesn't get a chance to have one. Neglected pets becomes a threat if mishandled...at least that's how I see it.

Dev 12-24-2007 08:42 PM

Pitbulls have such a bad rep because they have a high potential of just snapping.

There was an article int he newspaper here in London, that said a little girl, I think she was under a year old was bit in the face by a Pitbull that the owners had owned for a few years.

The dog had no provocation, just up and attacked her.

It's said she will probably need reconstructive surgery by the age of ten.

Now try and tell me it was the owner's fault.

Nature vs. Nurture is all this topic is really. You can't be nature, if a dog has a natural tendency to being aggresive, then you can't bloody well change that.

Siri 12-24-2007 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dev
Pitbulls have such a bad rep because they have a high potential of just snapping.

There was an article int he newspaper here in London, that said a little girl, I think she was under a year old was bit in the face by a Pitbull that the owners had owned for a few years.

The dog had no provocation, just up and attacked her.

It's said she will probably need reconstructive surgery by the age of ten.

Now try and tell me it was the owner's fault.

Nature vs. Nurture is all this topic is really. You can't be nature, if a dog has a natural tendency to being aggresive, then you can't bloody well change that.

That's true. You really can't do anything about an individual dog if it has a horrible temperament and training fails. However, just because one pitbull snapped at a young girl doesn't mean that ALL pitbulls behave similarly. For each aggressive pitbull, I'm sure that you can find an equally aggressive poodle or cocker spaniel. My point is that each dog should be treated individually and should not be judged by its breed.

My cousins have a cocker spaniel that is extremely aggressive. It snaps and bites at you if you get close to its food. You don't even have to be taking its food away, just moving near its food bowl will incite some aggressive behaviors in the dog. On the other hand, my uncle owns a dog that is half-wolf and it is the sweetest dog that I have ever met. It would never harm another creature and is extremely well-behaved. Now, I'm sure that, on average, dogs with wolf ancestry tend to be more aggressive than cocker spaniels. But that doesn't necessarily mean that ALL cocker spaniels will make wonderful pets and that ALL dogs with wolf ancestry should be banned.

EternalHearts 12-24-2007 09:55 PM

I don't think any kind of dog should be banned, but I do think that people who want to own certain types of 'high risk' animals should be required to have special licensing and take out special insurance. Hopefully this will cut back on the number of people that are getting these dogs for the wrong reasons--money really does talk.

Siri 12-25-2007 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by EternalHearts
I don't think any kind of dog should be banned, but I do think that people who want to own certain types of 'high risk' animals should be required to have special licensing and take out special insurance. Hopefully this will cut back on the number of people that are getting these dogs for the wrong reasons--money really does talk.

Alright, so this seems like a good idea, but wouldn't this also discourage people from adopting 'high risk' dogs? Right now, a lot of shelters actually won't put pitbulls up for adoption and opt to euthanize them immediately after receiving them. The few pitbulls that make it past the adoption criteria and aggression tests also need to find good homes. Approximately half the animals in United States shelters will never find a home. Unfortunately for pitbulls and other 'high risk' dogs, those terrible odds are further increased due to fears about aggression and other misconceptions. I don't know if it would be a good idea to add extra monetary fees on top of all that. I mean, that's practically condemning those dogs to death. When the odds are stacked against them already, why make it any more difficult?

Money is a great incentive, I definitely agree with you there. Except maybe instead of extra fees for owning 'high risk' dogs, people who are caught up in dogfighting should have to pay hefty fees. Right now, there are definitely laws in place, the problem is that they are rarely enforced. Communities should voice their opinions on dogfighting and hopefully their police services will react accordingly.

Chexala 12-25-2007 01:10 AM

I was bit in the face by a pitbull when I was 9, and I am very leery of strange or untended dogs. However, I do not blame the dog for the attack. (She had puppies, and I was a stranger. My friend and I were being very stupid.)

None the less, those circumstances aside, that dog was not well trained. I remember my friend's mom brought the dog to school, and it was barely under her control. As people have said, it's cases like that, where dogs are improperly raised, that cause so many unfortunate cases of dog attacks. (The persistence of dog fighting also contributes.)

A dog of any size, history, breeding or temperament is going to require a great deal more work and attention than most other pets. Considering that dogs are descended from wolves, and are still more than capable of behaving wildly, they can be incredibly dangerous if improperly raised. Sometimes I think that people should be required to have a license to own any dog. It wouldn't need to be hard to get or anything, just require people to take a class (online or in person) in dog training, or require that people get their dos trained. Or something.

Really, it's not a subject I've given much thought to. There is part of me that is inclined to legislate everything, and part of me that is inclined to deregulate everything. Don't take me too seriously.

ewic santiago 12-26-2007 02:32 AM

Some dogs have an aggressive nature and it's just how the dog is but, a lot of time it's the people that's provoking the dog which makes it attack someone. If kids are throwing rocks at a dog, you can't blame the dog for fighting back. If a dog were to randomly attack someone walking down the street, then it should be put on obidience program where the OWNER must teach it to behave and if failed to do so the dog should be put to sleep due to it being a danger to the public.

Berginyon 12-26-2007 03:34 AM

I bet if someone really dedicated time to it, they could make a poodle lethal. I think some dogs are just more suited to it (being brought up vicious) than others. Which of course shouldn't be held against them by any means. It's just nature.

Urboros 12-26-2007 10:28 PM

I think that the people buying the dogs shoud be scanned, or monitored in a way so we know what the dogs are being trained for.

Also most of the dog bite stories are people harrassing the animal, though the opposites are a little more extreme.

Not everyone should be allowed to have a pet.

.~.Secret.love.~. 12-27-2007 03:50 AM

I do not believe that certain dogs should be banned. That's just crazy. My nephew was bitten by a dog a while ago and it was his fault, he was messing with the dog when he was told several times to leave him alone.

Sadly the dog had to be put down. I didn't want it to happen, but the vet said it had to be done.

I do believe that people should be forced to take a screening test then have some kind of monitoring system on them so that it's known what they're doing. If not that a weekly check if they pass the test.

Psychophobical 12-27-2007 05:18 AM

Dogs aren't robots, they aren't 'programmed' to be violent. They do as they see. If you have a Pit Bull and you treat it with kindness all its life, it will know nothing better than to show others with the same kindness. Same goes to say that if you beat your dog, it will show other's with the same kind of hostility.

Those people who say "I never hurt my dog and it attacked me for no reason at all!" Either are lying, or didn't see the whole picture. What if their neighbor was throwing rocks at the dog, etc...? You can't watch your dog all the time.

My dog once ate through my hand completely, and I never got rid of my dog. She acted like that because we taught her how to wrestle with us. She thought that she was just playing with me, she didn't really mean to hurt me like she did. Humans have more complex brains... animals can't think things through like we can. There's no reason to punish them for that.

EbilKitty 12-27-2007 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychophobical
Dogs aren't robots, they aren't 'programmed' to be violent. They do as they see. If you have a Pit Bull and you treat it with kindness all its life, it will know nothing better than to show others with the same kindness. Same goes to say that if you beat your dog, it will show other's with the same kind of hostility.

Exactly. A friend of mine has a Pit Bull, and it's the kindest dog I've ever met. I truly believe that a dog will become what the owner makes of it, no dogs are born good or bad.

Thunder 12-27-2007 09:23 PM

To start this off, I've known quite a few pitbulls and rottweilers. I actually fell in love with rottweilers because every one that I've met has an amazing attitude and were huge love bugs, not to mention that they're just gorgeous dogs in general. One pitbull I've known loved to steal my covers for me, and he could do some awesome tricks. The other was so sweet and would let a complete stranger come up and pet her puppies without a growl or anything. They were sweet dogs.

Now, this isn't to say that there aren't some dogs out there that are just plain mean. Just like people, I believe that a dog can just 'snap' one day and attack someone for no reason. I also believe that there are some dogs that are just plain mean and will continue to be no matter what kind of training that they're put through. These dogs should be put down. However, should a whole breed be punished for what one did? No, of course not!

I do not believe that any breed should be banned. Why should an innocent family have one of their loved pets ripped away and put down because of what a few did? That's just stupid. Plain and simple. Every dog is different. Obviously, this means that every dog is going to do something different. You can't say that every single pitbull or rottweiler is evil and out to rip off some kid's face. It's simply impossible.

However, that doesn't mean that I don't think anything should be done, because something should. Stricter laws, definitely. I agree with everyone who said that you should need a license to own a dog. Any dog, in my opinion. It would cut down on the amount of dogs being neglected and abused. People need information on what they're bringing home, but all too often someone brings home a puppy, realizes they don't like it, and then what happens? Another poor dog in the pound. Either that or the dog isn't properly trained, and then you get some poor kid's face bitten off. It would definitely cut down on the neglected animals, as only people who really wanted to devote time to a pet would be able to adopt one. Any person caught with a dog and no license would have the dog taken away and, if they didn't get a license within a certain amount of time, the dog would be relocated to a new home.

Another reason that I say all dogs is because if you just put a 'license needed' tag on one breed, the neglectful owners will just find another breed to corrupt! The same reason that banning dogs is bound to fail. As soon as all the dobermans, rotteilers, german sheperds, and pitbulls are banned, the dogfighters are just going to find another breed to train and fight.

Nissa 12-28-2007 02:59 AM

I don't think breeds should be banned, I think people should be aware of what they are getting into before they even think of getting any pet, especially one that could potentially harm someone. I used to work at a pet shop and people would come in all the time requesting dalmatians. We didn't carry them simply because people would buy them for their children due to a certain Disney flick thinking they were excellent dogs for children to have. No, dalmatians are not ideal children's pets, but no one cared. They just wanted little Suzie and Jr. to have one. It drove me nuts when parents would just go get a pet without doing a lick of research...

Teeth 12-30-2007 05:12 AM

I think banning a dog is just another type of animal abuse and creulty, only covered up by the government by saying; "Look at the statistics! Something like 7/10 pitbulls have killed or attacked another living thing in their life!"
BLLSHT! Okay, so let's say we survey..I don't know..(I'm mostly russian so I'll use that as an example so I don't offend people who are easily offended. o_0")
Let's say out of 20 Russian people surveyed, 15 of them have attacked someone. Do we ban Russians from our country? NO! It's unhuman and immoral! Because a few pitbulls attacked someone (Out of pure nature and instinct!) all pitbulls must suffer? And besides, you can't blame them, it's their genes! That's like blaming a monkey of throwing it's poop in a festive manner! D:< (WTF Bad example..Okay..)
AND NO, I'M NOT DONE RANTING! :x
I used to have a pitbull! (It died before any laws were made on them, but still..) Yes, he attacked and killed many Raccoons, Bunnies and Squirrels in his time, but never, NEVER, had he ever DREAMED of hurting someone! (Well..once he bit my dads butt (Seriously, his butt, he still has marks on it. Don't ask how I know this.) But that's only because of a very good reason concerning my mom freaking out at my dad and a broken wine bottle o_0..) ANYWAYS back on topic - I don't even know what the hell I'm getting at but banning a breed of dog is wrong. Same things as banning a "breed" of human!
GAH I WANT TO RANT MORE ON IT BUT I CAN'T THINK UP ANY OTHER FACTS TO STATE! D:<
SO I'LL END HERE. BHAAHAA!


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