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Security, Prosperity and Partnership of North American Unification

Some useful stuff you may want to read/look over before I get started.
http://www.spp.gov/
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965

Done?
No?
tl;dr?

Well, here.

The Security, Prosperity and Partnership of North American Unification is a silent act/agreement that plans to do the following:
Make a new country; The North American Union.
Destroy 3 existing countries; Canada, The United States, Mexico.
Take all territories and lands owned by these old countries and assimilate them to The North American Union, or face military force.
Make all citizens of the former 3 countries and territories and lands official citizens of the North American Union.
Establish a new economy, and federal reserve controlled by the government.
Create a new Currency named the Amero.
There will be NO KNOWN constitution or Bill of Rights.

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Anyway. Fact of the matter is, This will DESTROY the most powerful and liberal countries on Planet Earth and make ONE dictatorship.
There WILL be a massive revolt at the announcement of the Unification, and there WILL be a minor attempt at revolt, only to be met by militaristic force and nation wide Martial Law.
Being that there is no known constitution yet lain out for this new country, rule will be like living in Europe in the Dark Ages. Tyrannic and Freedomless.
Any and all stores will probably be run by the Central Government.
There will possibly be no freedom what so ever. The Draft will possibly be instituted. You will possibly end up being a SLAVE for the Unions government, if you live in the areas previously stated.

I ask you, Is this fair? Is this truly what the people of these lands want or need?

I am not for this act. I never will be.

After learning about this, I resigned my service from the Army. I am planning to move out of country (Germany or Poland. Somewhere cold and remote).

once again. Is this the right thing to do?
What do you believe will end up happening to the countries and lands, and most of their citizens?
Is it humane?

These are a few questions I ask you.
Debate!

lol XD
I'm sorry, but I just can't take this seriously.

if they were actually planning on doing something like this then they'd have to get votes in our country (the US) and yeah....somehow I find it practically impossible that US citizens would give up their freedoms to make this "North American Union"

plus, don't you think that the news would have found out about it by now if it were real? and wouldn't it be milking the stories for every drop of "excitement" it has to get better ratings?

EDIT: and if this, by some terrible event actually happens then I'll just move to Scotland or Britain :]
I've always wanted to go to those countries anyways XD

Uhh...

If you read the actual site...

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Myth: The SPP is a movement to merge the United States, Mexico, and Canada into a North American Union and establish a common currency.

Fact: The cooperative efforts under the SPP, which can be found in detail at www.spp.gov, seek to make the United States, Canada and Mexico open to legitimate trade and closed to terrorism and crime. It does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency. The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our Founding Fathers.

You're just being paranoid, y0. :3

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Originally Posted by Britti

Uhh...

If you read the actual site...

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You're just being paranoid, y0. :3

I did read the site.
That is BULLSHIT. A damn lie.

Currency? Modify?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amero

The Founding Fathers didn't even WANT a central bank. A central bank was not even founded until the late thirties (i think)?

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The cooperative efforts under the SPP, which can be found in detail at www.spp.gov, seek to make the United States, Canada and Mexico open to legitimate trade and closed to terrorism and crime.

It already is open to legit trade.
And you'll never get rid of crime.
FAIL.

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It does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada.

Then why are we practically forcing Mexico to tighten up border control on THEIR side and making THEM help us?
FALIBOAT.

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The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency. The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our Founding Fathers.

Then what DOES this agreement try to accomplish?

Now you see, if you would read further and do more research (Go Google up North American Union Proposal or security prosperity and partnership of north america) you'd know what they are really trying to accomplish.

orange:
Are you aware that we didn't get to vote on the intorduction of the Federal Income tax, or even the establishment of the Federal Reserve?
We don't get to vote on alot of things.

Only one newscaster has even had the balls to break off of talking about a white person who NO ONE gives a shit about, or a celebrity (I'm looking at you, Nancy Grace)
That person is Lou Dobbs.

But of course he was swiftly hushed up by the FBI.

This agreement is being made by the top top top high officials of the three countries (Presidents and Cabinets)
If Congress doesn't say yes, then I'm sure Canada and Mexico will invade, execute Congress and carry along with the plans.

Here. Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...&search=Search

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I did read the site.
That is BULLSHIT. A damn lie.

Currency? Modify?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amero

Read that again--main support for a unified currency comes from Canada. And not even the country, but certain individuals who want to be similar to Europe. I won't even speak about the fact that you're sourcing Wikipedia, though.

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The Founding Fathers didn't even WANT a central bank. A central bank was not even founded until the late thirties (i think)?

Actually, The First Bank of the United States was formed in the late 1700s and they continued to debate how that should be handled until 1913, when the Federal Reserve was established. Just an FYI.

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The cooperative efforts under the SPP, which can be found in detail at www.spp.gov, seek to make the United States, Canada and Mexico open to legitimate trade and closed to terrorism and crime.

It already is open to legit trade.
And you'll never get rid of crime.
FAIL.

Buh, trying out new policies does not equate to failure. :/

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It does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada.

Then why are we practically forcing Mexico to tighten up border control on THEIR side and making THEM help us?
FALIBOAT.

Because our government is "failboat." I mean, fuck, we invaded a country based on lies. We're fucking known for getting in other people's business, WAY before this was even thought up.

At any rate, it probably has something to do with illegal immigrants, yeah? Problems on both sides and all that--if Canada was dumping waste into America, don't you think we'd force them to, you know, stop? I'm not trying to say that illegal immigrants are on the same level as waste, but you get the point. Mexico also doesn't need to lose their people anyway.

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Then what DOES this agreement try to accomplish?

They already outlined their goals which you prompted equated "fail." In addition to that, though, if you read or listened in one of those Lou Dobbs videos you linked us too, they are syncing up information and trade (for example, research discoveries for new diseases).

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Now you see, if you would read further and do more research (Go Google up North American Union Proposal or security prosperity and partnership of north america) you'd know what they are really trying to accomplish.

Hey, I'm fairly paranoid myself, but under no circumstance would the American people agree to this because a few of our politicians want more power. Why would Bush hand over power? You know that's not his game--if anything, I'm pretty sure he would be happy with an American dictatorship and taking over Canada and Mexico before sharing power. Duh.

Besides, if we all revolt, I'm pretty sure we'll use our right to bear arms successfully. ;D

But to be serious, we are already losing our freedoms without the help of any North American Union. (Hello, Patriot Act!) And should we expect anything less from the son of a man who said that atheists are not American? Or whose family continued to support Hitler throughout the second world war? No, probably not. But handing over power does not seem to be a thing the Bush family is good at, and this is exactly what you are implying that he would do.

However, we will have a new president by January 20th, 2009. I wonder how that will go?

But if you don't like it, why not move now? The nation's already showed you that separation of church and state has been basically voided, there is no real free speech, torture is A-OK, if you're not a WASP you're more-than-likely a second class citizen... Should I go on? Unless by liberal you mean something completely different.

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Are you aware that we didn't get to vote on...the establishment of the Federal Reserve?

But Congress did. And guess who elected Congress. ;)

It's weird how everyone usually thinks "OH MY GOD. YOU'RE CRAZY LOL" when it comes to issues like this. But because it's never really covered in the mainstream media, people don't know about it or are aware of it.

The fact of the matter is, that there is a lot of crap that the powers that be put through legislation that never even sees or gets the approval of congress, like it should.

This country, or what remains of it, is going down the pooper, and people just laugh at those of us who realize these things. But oddly enough, twenty-thirty (if that even) years down the road when all of this is reality, people will just accept it, and go along with it.

*cough* I've never been much of a debater on things like this... but I'll leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by tehrin

I'm not calling him crazy, really. If you noticed, I called myself paranoid... I think his reaction is a bit overboard though.

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Originally Posted by tehrin

This country, or what remains of it, is going down the pooper, and people just laugh at those of us who realize these things. But oddly enough, twenty-thirty (if that even) years down the road when all of this is reality, people will just accept it, and go along with it.

I realize it, oh I certainly do, but I also plan on leaving the country once I can. ^_^;; The thing is, what he's talking about? They plan to be fully done with their agenda by 2010 (whether you think they're legit in their immigration and trade policies OR are trying to take over and make a union, doesn't matter--they say they'll be done in 2010), or in two or so years. Now, a lot can happen in two years... But really. :/ It's a lot easier to believe that their plans aren't as, oh, dramatic for a two-year-plan.

But, I don't know. *shrugs* If this were to happen, I should be out of the country in 2010, the first half of it anyway, so... Whatever. I doubt it will happen though.

@Sergeant: well w/e XD
I still don't think that'd happen
people would rebel and then this whole country would go down the drain :/
it would be a very bad move on Bush's side
plus, how the fuck would he get that done in the amount of time he has left in office?

and if it does I'll just finish up my education at VCU and then move to Glasgow, Scotland :]

i just can not believe we are even talking about this. FIrst of all, it sounds like some weird guy or girl who live in their basement with their mothers decioded to spread a joke, and it spiraled into tat stupid thing. But it could never happen! we speak different languages, and often they would intercline. but what about the old money? what would be the exchange rate? ti would have to be even but it couldn't, that wouldn't make sene. Plus, how would they decid who would rule, and what the laws would be, i see it foolishly stupid. BUt, above all lse, the documents, mouments, and rights, could not just "GO AWAY" they would still have to be there, but they would be pointless, they would represent things that the new nation would no longer believe, or find meaning in. REALLY IT JUST SOUNDS DUMB!

Well, that's just my opinion.

Some I can agree with, such as unifying all 3 country's, new curceny, all citizens and land is the same. What I can not agree with is military force, loss of bill of rights, and the want for a bad economy.

While a North American Union wouldn't be bad, look at the European unions and the wide spread currency, the dictatorship and loss of rights is just wrong.