Rape is rape. I don't see how this is even debatable.
Someone being too drunk, dressing slutty, walking alone does not give rapists a free pass.
No means no. Unconscious also means no.

Rape is never the victims fault. Rape is not about sex or love but control and aggression.

No, it wouldn't become habit. Furthermore, the vale was developed as, and is little more than, a tool of oppression. It is a prison. And you are suggesting that any woman who attempts to defy this oppression isn't rebelling against a sexist tradition or attempting to make a public statement but, in fact, wanting to get raped. I'm sorry, but I just don't see that as true.

It is never the victim's fault. Regardless of whether or not someone thinks what they're doing is "stupid", no one "asks" to be raped. No one really even makes it easy intentionally. My area recently had a rash of rapes, and the women were in their locked homes, a few times not even alone. The fact is, if someone is looking to rape people, there is little to no difference between the person who stumbles home drunk at 2 AM alone and the one who never goes out at night alone and always locks her doors and never drinks. In fact, in the case of some rapists, one could say that the latter is the one "asking for it", since many rapists further their power trip by singling out people who are in what they believe to be entirely safe and secure environments, passing up the "easy" targets altogether.

Okay I am so sick of guys saying "well she seduced me", or "she wanted it" okay if you call it rape that means that you didn't want it! And yes I'm aware that this also happens between guys but on average women are not as strong as men. And there is no way a girl who is screaming stop or don't or even a simple no wants to have sex.

You put that perfectly and I can't sum that up any better then you did :)

It's always going to be the rapists fault! :stare:

Firstly: Never ever the victims fault.

Secondly: Guys can be raped, too.

It is never the victims' fault. Just because the girl is tired, drunk or wearing a short skirt that does not mean that a man can sexaully abuse them.
It's sick and repulsive.
Most serial rapists have experienced some kind of abuse in earlier days, and as Philomel said;
For the rapists it's a power trip, a show of dominant behaviour, it's a sick way to get the upperhand, and I do not believe that it is anything to do with the victim. Or maybe the rapist chose the victim carefully, selecting them. Either way, it is not the victim's fault.

I have never heard anyone saying:
"hey, mister, can u rape me?"

I think its the vulnerable situation and area the victims are in that enable rapists to make their big move. Seriously.
I say bring pepper spray with you lol.

The only time I could think of a 'rape' being the 'victim's fault' is if they are pretty much right about to have sex (naked, he's about to "become one with her") and she changes her mind, and he ignores it.

I mean, you're both pretty much ready, willing, and then... one backs out all of a sudden?
It's like stepping out into traffic and expecting to not be roadkill.

However, for the most part?

No means no, and rape is never acceptable...

I'm resisting the urge to scream right now.

No means fucking no. I don't give a shit if I'm on top of the guy; if one of us wants out, and the other continues anyway, it is rape. It is not the victim's fault in any way. The rapist knew their partner didn't want any part of it. They chose to continue regardless. They made a conscious decision to force a person into sex. When someone goes skydiving and gets all suited up and goes up in the plane and then freaks out, the instructor doesn't just shove them out of the plane anyway. You can't go around telling people they caused this horrible crime that was committed against them because they (mistakenly, according to you) believed they had the right to choose what is and is not done with their body.

And where do we draw the line? "About to have sex" means different things to everyone. Is it a wife's fault if she sleeps naked and her husband rapes her in her sleep? Is it a girlfriend's fault if she goes on a date with someone and the boyfriend rapes her on the way home, since she didn't stop him from paying the bill for dinner earlier and he "deserves" something for his trouble?

i dont think the victim is to blamed at all its just the rapist fault.

I doubt anyone on here would ever think it is the victim's fault. The only people who seek to put some blame on the victim are those who are on the rapist's side or the rapist - the victim didn't ask to be the victim or make a decision to be that but the rapist did decide to be a rapist.

Rape is primarily about control opposed to sexual attraction. Provocative dress or behavior is not significant.

I'm seeing so many things where people think it's only women that get raped. You know there are males out there that are rapped and sexually abused as well. Whichever sex the victim appears to be it's not their fault, but at the same time, they should not put themselves into situations where they could get raped. I mean yes, there are cases where there was nothing the victim could do about it, but people can take classes on how to protect themselves on how to make the chances of it happening less possible. And once again I have to bring up the fact FEMALES AREN'T ALWAYS THE VICTIM! I have a few male friends who have been rapped. It is a very mentally scarring event that i'm very fortunate not to have experiened.

People generally refer only to women when talking about rape because women are the most common victims (not to mention in some states it's not legally possible for men to be raped, due to the states' definitions of "rape"). It's not that they don't realize males can be raped.

They can make it less likely with opportunistic rapists by giving up their freedom, by not doing things men (yes, MEN, since few men are ever pressured to change their behavior to "prevent rape") are able to do without anyone blinking an eye. Nothing they can do besides barracading themselves in their homes will make rape less likely all-around. You 'put yourself in a position to get raped' when you sleep alone in your house. Actually, scratch that. When you sleep at all in your house. You 'put yourself in a position to get raped' when you walk around outside, whatever time of day and with whatever number of potential witnesses. You 'put yourself in a position to get raped' by being alone in a room with another person, even if you have a weapon and they don't. Simply being alive is putting yourself in a position to be raped.

Being abused, mentally and physically, As a child doesnt make me the prime canidate to answer this question. Some may say I am biased. I care to think of myself as someone who has just experience more in life.
I never think that it is a rape victims fault. BUT i do believe that woman should be careful. The way they dress or act can make them into a victim. But again, Its not like their asking to be raped. And in no way shape or form do they deseve what happens to them.
Its a scary world out there. People need to be cautious

*facepalm* Why do people not read the posts before them? I'm getting very sick of reposting this.

THE WAY YOU DRESS DOES NOT MAKE YOU A VICTIM. A rapist deciding he's going to rape you makes you a victim. Do you people honest-to-god think that women are just running around in the streets in their underwear or something? How can the way you dress make someone commit a crime against you that is generally about power? Or are you saying that men are so absolutely pathetic mentally that if a woman shows skin they can't control their desire to have sex with her and just lose their minds?

I really don't understand this line of thought at all. I guess one could argue that some opportunistic rapists go for "ease of access", but that would include a number of different styles of dress, including long dresses and skirts and button-up shirts, that no one ever accuses women who wear them of "asking for it". I'm starting to think it's about a subconscious desire, taught by society, to see women punished for being proud of their bodies. Labelling certain clothes "slutty" isn't enough anymore, so since we don't live in a theocracy and the closest we can come to regulating female dress is saying women must wear shirts at times when men don't, I guess now we have to act like rape is a punishment for wearing clothes that show off what you've got.

i think the victim sometimes plays a part in it but its not their FAULT it would have to be a very strange situation for it to be the victims part

The crime itself is not the fault of the victim, but putting oneself in a situation that will likely lead to rape is. If a girl goes onto a chatroom and she finally decides to meet some guy she met there in some location given by him then she is at high risk of getting raped and should not put herself there. If she does go she is not directly causing her rape but she could have avoided it. She should have known that rape was possible. I don't believe it would be her fault but she definitely did not take the safer road. I know this doesn't exactly say it well enough but it will have to do.

it could never be the victims fault. maybe she's drunk and wearing barely anything, but it's still not her fault. if she did not ask for it and when it was happening she wanted it to stop, then that is rape. and it's NOT the victims fault. ever.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not ever in any way, is it the victim's fault. Not in prison or anywhere. Even if you stand naked among a crowd of 50 horny guys, holding a sign that says RAPE ME PLEASE; if halfway through you say STOP and they don't it is still a crime.