This is also the debate forum. You shouldn't ever feel that your point of view won't be challenged. But then, if you can't argue your point of view, is it really a view worth having?

Yeah, I do the same thing, to an extent. I wish there weren't sick people, so I could hitchhike and let my future kids play outside in the neighborhood. I don't really let anyone (especially guys I don't really know) hug or touch me, and I get suspicious when someone says that they (or someone else) like me because I think it's just some sort of joke or prank. I don't really trust people either, I wish I could and did.
In a perfect world, people would be free to do what they please so long as it didn't encroach on the freedoms of others. Personally, I wouldn't want to wear something really really skanky looking out or drink a whole lot. It's just something I'm not into. But the people that do, I think they should be free to do whatever. But since they aren't, I think they should be careful about it.
For certain, I hate having to 'be careful' and I hate suspicious feelings. But I know that there are evil, insane, sick, or people that just make bad decisions are out there and I have to be proactive about it.

Why, just the other day I was out for a walk and a guy pulled up in his truck and asked me if I was lost and needed a ride somewhere. Now, he seemed like a perfectly nice guy and I would have loved a ride, but it would have been foolish to accept. I put some thought into it and I think it was for the best. Certainly, it could have turned out all right, but just as certainly, it might not have.

I've heard the excuse that 'she led me on' and I don't think that justifies the act at all. I don't let when girls flirt 'just for fun', I think it's kinda mean and I wouldn't want someone doing that to me. It can also lead to dangerous or bad situations. That's another reason why I'm against it, and don't do it myself.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. A victim is never at fault. And also, I can't believe how many people blame the victim. That is one reason why I am only on gaia to feed my fish. I wish those people would vanish from this world...

A victim is never at fault. No one asks for it, right? But there are ways a person can avoid the situation. ._.

ah...sure?
 

well, the second scenario.....it's a little bit of a put-on. especially in other countries. I once when to Italy with a couple flirty friends. they saw some really cute guys while we were there, but they were really starting to scare me. They danced and talked all night. after dark, we (my friends) all decided to go for a walk (our hotel was in a town in the mountains, so we thought it was safe...but it was also where we partied) and the guys FOLLOWED us! it was so scary. Then we started to walk a bit faster and one of my friends said she felt like crying. The guys began to take an initiative and REALLY flirt with us in more sexual ways than we had EVER intended. thankfully, one of my friends was able to speak Italian fluently. she asked them to keep their distance. They had asked why and said that we had come onto them first. They were pretty angry. But then she explained that we didn't know any Italian and that we were from the US. That right there cleared up a lot of the situation.:sweat: apparently we flirt too much in the US......

Its never the victims fault. Know one in there right mind would want to be raped. The only people that would think that way would be the ones that did it.

I haven't read through all the quotes, but this one I agree with 100%. there are cases that rape is not intentional and either both of their faults or neither. Though, I think the way men suffer most in this topic, is when girls claim rape to get what they want.

This usually involves ruining a man's reputation for life as well as being in jail most likely. Family and friends both may abandon them and it is very hard to win a case like this in court. Especially if it is consensual and the girl goes back on her own feelings and decides she really didn't want to, so blames the man for it >.<. Then of course there are the women who for some reason get angry at someone and use false rape claims to completely shatter that person's life out of pure spite.

It is quite unfortunate that men are stereotyped as being the rapists...my own mother sexually assaulted me as a child...

Alright...I just have one thing to say about this debate. It's SILLY. Rape is NEVER, EVER, EVER the victim's fault under any circumstances. And as a response to what someone said about men being raped by women. It does happen, and they are victims just as much as women are. But our society has it engrained in our heads that because men are "the strong ones" out of the two sexes that a woman wouldn't be able to overpower a man to be able to rape him when that is absolutely not true at all. And there's the fact that a lot of people believe that all men are horny bastards looking for a lay (which isn't true either). There are plenty of things women can do that they will overpower a man and force them to have sex.

Yeah......the human race disgusts me at times :D

@Monkey: <3 I think I could kiss you right now.

Seconding Butterfly's comment. The sooner people start realizing that it's the rapist's responsibility not to rape and not the woman's responsibility to drastically alter her life in the hope of somehow preventing a horrible crime from being done to her, the sooner rape stops being so common.

...woah. I think you hit the nail on the head, monkey. Even though the person decides to go a party or dress skankily it's the rapist's fault for making the decision to assault that person. In a way, it's kind of the same thing as murder, if not worse, because that person will live the rest of their lives with that horrible memory.

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it the victim and the rapist fault.
the victum should of been smart enough not to go in a car with a stranger that she barely knew. you don't know the guy history even if she meet him for 4 hour she not going to know who he is. she should of stayed home in the first place or stayed with a friend, or call home. it's the rapist fault because he can't control his hormones and he is a pervert guy that going to hell. Your actions have consequences. Example: why shouldn't a child talk to a stranger? because the guy could be a total creep. Example 2: uncaring actions.
30% is the victums fault
70% is the rapist
yes it the rapist choice tto rape her but she choice to get in the car with him and not staying home like she suppose too. ask yourself this. would you get in that car with a guy you don't know? seem like a friendly ride that he offerring but honestly would you trust him enough to drive you home? know one push her into the car even i he was asking a few times.

the 2nd one i don't really get. if she at a party wouldn't people hear her scream, why would a rapist rape her with people around? didn't she lock the door?

this my opinion

So, because she chose to do what thousands or millions of male teens do every day, without anyone blaming them when crimes are committed against them, she is at fault because a monster who probably would have just found someone else to rape had she not been closest committed a heinous and disgusting crime against her? I think I speak for most women when I say you can go fuck yourself.

you don't make sense what i just said and btw male get raped 2. it horrible for a person to get raped but her action lead to that situation but it my opinion.

You definitely speak for me, Philomel. ;)

I'm supposed to stay home, because going out makes me 30% at fault if I get raped? I've read a lot of "interesting" statements in this thread, but this definitely is hard to top. :P

O.O

I don't think its the victum's fault, ever.

If they knew they were going to be raped, they certainly would do anything to prevent it.

But, its not like a woman, or a man can know if being raped would be in their cards.

I doubt I made sense here... But, I don't think its the victum's fault.
They didn't have the intention to be raped.
The rapist had the intention of raping them.

Relatively few males get raped, so kindly quit with the BUH WUT ABOUT TEH MENZ crap. Men do not keep from going out at night, or limit their alcohol intake, or insist that people stay with them at all times while in public, out of the fear that they will be raped. They do not live in that prison. And I'm not just talking about rape -- people can be murdered, robbed, beaten, any number of things. And when this happens to a man, very rarely do so many people like you pop up and start victim-blaming.

And I don't care if it's "your opinion". "Your opinion" is the reason so many rapes are not reported, because victims know police often hold your opinion and will mentally batter the person reporting the crime into not filing a report. Your opinion supports rape, not only by allowing rapists to go free and continue raping when they might otherwise have been caught and stopped, but it is an opinion that rapists themselves often hold. A woman being responsible for preventing her own rape and thus, being held responsible when she is raped, is not far from the idea that if a woman "puts herself" into a position where it is in any way possible to rape her, she is asking for it and secretly wants it and thus the aggressor raping her is a normal reaction.

It would be easier to reply if it was an actual statement instead of just a spammy emote...

And I don't quite get how you could ever believe that nobody would take offense at you saying that girls are supposed to stay home and that they where 30% at fault if they get raped.

I wonder, if your best friend was murdered, would you still say it's 30% his fault for leaving his home and thus inviting the murderer?

personally people i don't care what you guy say. it not going to change anything. :/ now people are making me a victim for my opinion. they say all these tthings about me when they don't know who i am or what my history is or what i do. wow all i did was state my opinion... mmmm interesting... how people can overreact.