No, the victim is never asking for it. Any person who would construe their behavior/appreance that way is a very depraved individual and needs to get help.

This is in response to some of the posts here which have talked about various "triggers" which lead to rape and assault.

As far as I'm concerned, there is absolutely never ever any excuse at all for sexual assault. Never. I also think that saying a rape was cause by triggers is completely inexcusable. I don't care what the victim was wearing, where they were walking, what they'd been drinking, or how they were acting. Rape is never okay, and a victim is never at fault. No one should ever have to go through that.

Concerning cloths: there have been a lot of mentions of slutty clothing, and how that might be a trigger. I think that's a crap excuse. People shouldn't have to wear certain kinds of clothing all the time just to feel safe. The "I just couldn't help myself" or "she was asking for it with that skirt" kind of arguments are just complete shit. Absolutely and totally shit.

There are a lot of techniques that people can learn to keep themselves safe, and I support that. I also so think it's tragic that we should need to, but this is a tragic world we live in. Sure, needlessly endangering yourself is a damned dumb thing to do, but regardless, just because someone hasn't gone out and learned every method of self-defense available doesn't mean they should be blamed for being assaulted. Plus, not everyone is fortunate enough to live in a safe place; maybe they have to walk down that dark alley just to get home every night. What then?

Also, let's not forget that rape isn't always a stranger at a party or down a dark alley; in fact, usually people are assaulted by someone they know, often close family or friends. In those cases, it usually has nothing at all to do with your clothes, how long your hair is, whether you've been drinking, or where you were walking.

I guess that's about all I have to say about that. This is a subject that I am particularly sensitive about, so if I go on, I might start screaming. I don't think my roommates (or anyone here) would appreciate that.

Scenario 1: Well, it could of been avoided.

If she never snuck out she would of never met the guy, walked home alone at night, and then accept the guy's offer.

Besides, what kind of friend is that to let her friend walk home alone at 2 A.M. in the morning knowing that she is a female? That seems kinda lame.

Scenario 2: This I don't think could of been avoided. Though, if she just went out and had a good time, yet never made out with the guy and look like a skank, it would of been avoided also.

Though, no matter if the victim is a slut, drunk, or walking home alone, it's the rapist's choice for raping that particular person. Someone can look classy, beautiful, and never touched a wine bottle in their life, and still be raped. People should know that anyone and anybody can be raped or rape someone. Men and women get raped, and it's never their fault. It's the person who rapes them in the first place, the ones who decide to be a bastard and do an awful crime to someone that can ruin them for years to come.

I think the whole factor is awful, and rape is an awful thing for someone to experience.

It's never the victims fault.

Okay, I've heard a lot of people say that if a girl is leading a guy on, or teasing him or whatever, that it was her fault.

I personally don't believe that it is ever the victim's fault. It's a woman's right to wear what she wants and do what she wants with her body. If she wants to make out with some guy, or do more, that is her choice and she doesn't have to have sex because of it.

A man who decides to rape a woman is in the wrong. If she is unwilling, it is rape, no matter what happened beforehand.
I do believe that some situations could be avoided, such as the girl walking home by herself at night. Still, that doesn't put her at fault. It may not have been smart, but that doesn't give anyone the right to rape her.

I'm going to stop there before I get more into this and get very upset over it all.

Face it, we're not as big and strong as guys, and so we have to be smarter. That being said, we can't put ourselves in the position where it might happen. This means STAYING TOGETHER. If friends go out together, they should leave together. The marines have this thing about not leaving anyone behind. We have to have that same mentality.

As far as the rape goes, unless it's a case of buyers remorse, where we got drunk or stoned or something, and didn't say no, then it's totally the guys fault. no means no, even if the clothes are off.

It's never really the victim's fault, under any circumstance.

Rape would mean that they were sexually assaulted against their will. And nothing can be done to justify assault against one's will.

However, some of the blame for setting up circumstances leading to the rape is, of course, placed on the naive victim.

People who abuse those whom are weak are just scared of their own low social standing.

Ok... this is my opinion...doesn't mean it's right or anything

If a girl (or boy) is TAUNTING a guy (or girl)... talking dirty to him/her while she's/he's wearing kinky clothes. If she's/he's flirting with him/her HEAVILY. Then and only then can I say that he/she deserved it. Some people say no when they mean yes and if before the actual act they act like they're really into the other person then it's harder to determine. Good partners will stop and ask you every step along the way if you're ok with what's happening the first time. But not everyone makes a good partner. RAPE should never be justified. But if someone TELLS the person they're with that it's ok and then LATER cries rape... then it's not right.

Women/men who make it completely CLEAR that they don't want it...then it's not their fault.

Agreed, but that's also not rape, and the victim in that case is the other person.

The girl didn't ask to get raped, so it isn't her fault.

that makes sense. I believe something like 78% of rapes occur because of extreme intoxication. Yes, you may lead them to think you're an easy target, but it's not your fault. Seriously.

No. I don't think it's ever the victim's fault. Rape happens because of one person over powering another. The victim most likely made some stupid choices to get to where they could be raped but that does not justify the rape. The rapist is responsible for the end result. They could back away no matter what the victim said, did, is wearing or not wearing etc.

Just my two pennies.

I am editing one word since this site is sexist and wants to put 'woman' in there. My word is edited with [-]

It is never the victims fault since if you look at each definition. They all boil down to one thing. Forcing on to or taking from another person.
If you are being forced, you are being overpowered.

Well said Bartuc. More succinctly than I, and with documentation too!

Isn't it odd how most people want to put the feminine in the definition of rape? Although I suppose using your documentation, most men believe that you are un-manned if you can be over powerd or forced therefore it is only a crime of those lacking in masculinity.

Or they love the sheer thrill of overpowering and taking from someone. Kind of like how some people still to vandalize. They do it because they enjoy it.

It is mostly put into the perspective of women being victims because they are the 'less powered' in the nation eyes as far as sex goes. Though men can be overpowered and raped as well.
I actually know of a man who was raped by two females simply because they tied him up to a chair. o_o;
Oh and date rape drugs are a big cause in most rape crimes.

Bullshit, body language does not mean consent. It never has. Just because someone body language may suggest they are into someone does not mean they are.

I have gone dancing many times, are for foolish people like you who seem to think that because some girl bumps and grinds with a guy at a club is ok for sex to happen, I tend to have only ever danced that way with Gay men.

Unless she has actually said yes, it's rape. She may have just been enjoying herself at a club and dancing in a way she finds enjoyable. She could of just been enjoying the company of a man and enjoys dancing that way with a guy.

Just because one enjoys wearing certain clothes to look good and feel good, does not mean consent. Ever. Scantily Clad clothes is never an excuse, just because one feels like looking sexy is not an open innovation for consenssual or non-consensual sex.

Same with teasing or anything else.

Just because one teases, dances, dresses or acts in a manner that is sexually appealing is not an excuse, EVER, period. It is not consent in anyway. Ever.

To be quite honest, I nearly WAS a victim of rape myself and...it was kinda my fault.

I was interested in a guy, who I'd met online on a site for incoming freshman to the college I attend. We ended up texting one night early on first semester, and he was flirting, I was flirting, when he brought up maybe fooling around. I was all right with it, we planned to meet and head back to my room. So we were uh...fooling around and I had laid out very clear guidelines that I did NOT want to have sex, and it turned out that I was nowhere near mentally ready for that level of commitment (especially with someone I hardly knew). He, in turn, got a little too excited and tried to uh...put IT in me.

I say it's my fault for leading him on, for making him think I was promiscuous and thinking I was ready.

Let me point out a couple things to you. They will be bolded as my reference.

Bold #1 - You were fine with foreplay/fooling around. That is not sex. That is foreplay. Yes, there is more going on then just a little kissing, but that is still not sex.

Bold #2 & 3 - You put out your guidelines and he did not abide by them. He stepped over your boundaries and tried to overpower you by having sex. You did not lead him on since you made your guidelines for what you were wanting to happen.

It is not your fault. You went one step further then making out. If you make out with someone do you lead them into foreplay? No. If you have foreplay does that have to lead to sex? No. You were in no way at all at fault. He stepped over your boundaries cause he wanted to have sex more then respecting your boundaries.

Also, from my own personal experiences. Please be more careful when you have sex. Especially if it is with people you meet online or randomly at a club. ^^;

Thanks you for the kind words....I guess just didn't look at this...I dunno...quite thoroughly....